The Old School Questions thread

[Ryan]

He'll gladly do it now.

[BEN!]

On 11/9/2019 at 10:22 PM, BloodyChamp said:

I thought it was 1997 SST vs Stars and Stripes. I didn’t look it up before posting or anything but I was sure that was it. 

Not Stars & Stripes.  It was the former WCW Patriots and The Samoan Savage.  The Patriot and Fatu were in the WWF at the time.

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12.15.97

Curtis Thompson & Todd Champion defeat Sam Fatu & Samu

 

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=4163

The SST in WCW at that time could've been cool depending on what kind of shape they were in.  Maybe put them with Jimmy Hart and turn The Faces Of Fear face.

[Brian Fowler]

Hell, The Patriot was in WWF by then.

[BloodyChamp]

I just remembered...they were going to do some kind of not-black-or-white gangster feud with Samu and Konan. WCW hadn’t wussed out entirely by 1997 but by then trying to fit a gangster feud into their TV friendly product would have been tough lol!

[MORELOCK]

2 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:

I just remembered...they were going to do some kind of not-black-or-white gangster feud with Samu and Konan. WCW hadn’t wussed out entirely by 1997 but by then trying to fit a gangster feud into their TV friendly product would have been tough lol!

I imagine it would have just been sanitized a bit - they had Konnan and eventually the Filthy Animals/No Limit Soldiers, and I remember (perhaps incorrectly) the Public Enemy's finisher being called The Drive By for their whole run.

[BurningBeard]

On 11/15/2019 at 7:07 PM, BloodyChamp said:

I just remembered...they were going to do some kind of not-black-or-white gangster feud with Samu and Konan. WCW hadn’t wussed out entirely by 1997 but by then trying to fit a gangster feud into their TV friendly product would have been tough lol!

Why did WWF ditch the similar angle with Rikishi when he was doing his Make A Difference gimmick? 

[twiztor]

did Hogan take a legitimate loss after winning the belt in Jan '84 until WrestleMania 6?  the closesr i can come up with is where Andre wins the title from him, but that is a far cry from a clean win.

side note: did you know Randy Savage never once got a pinfall win over Hogan? that shit's insane to me.

[Mister TV]

30 minutes ago, twiztor said:

did Hogan take a legitimate loss after winning the belt in Jan '84 until WrestleMania 6?  the closesr i can come up with is where Andre wins the title from him, but that is a far cry from a clean win.

side note: did you know Randy Savage never once got a pinfall win over Hogan? that shit's insane to me.

Do count out's count? Inoki beat Hogan in Japan via count-out in 84 or 85 and The Genius with Mr. Perfect's help beat Hogan via count out on SNME.

[Ace]

The Apter mags would regularly put over that the last person to pin Hogan was Tony Atlas.

 

[sydneybrown]

Hogan took a ton of countout and DQ losses during his first reign.  That's how you'd get a three match series out of them.  For example, Savage beat Hogan by countout in MSG twice before Hogan finally pinned him in a lumberjack match.  Don Muraco was another one.  Kept getting countout wins which would lead to a cage match.

[Hamhock]

On 11/29/2019 at 3:29 PM, sydneybrown said:

Hogan took a ton of countout and DQ losses during his first reign.  That's how you'd get a three match series out of them.  For example, Savage beat Hogan by countout in MSG twice before Hogan finally pinned him in a lumberjack match.  Don Muraco was another one.  Kept getting countout wins which would lead to a cage match.

Likewise vs. Big John Studd at MSG, where a debuting Heenan as manager helps Studd win by countout, and the return match stip is that Hogan can lose the belt via countout (match at 43:39; Heenan goads Hogan into rematch at 2:25:38):

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by Hamhock

[thee Reverend Axl Future]

7 hours ago, Hamhock said:

Likewise vs. Big John Studd at MSG, where a debuting Heenan as manager helps Studd win by countout, and the return match stip is that Hogan can lose the belt via countout (match at 43:39; Heenan goads Hogan into rematch at 2:25:38):

 

Hey, Young RAF was there! My pal Arthur and I always stood for the Russian National Anthem and were scolded by various NYC cab drivers and newsboys for it. I dunno if I have the gumption to watch through this mishegas to see if we made hard cam, although we are visible in several other MSG tapings from that era. The work moves-wise is minimal but the work working-wise is deliciously old school. This is a very interesting time as they are clinging to tradition but discovering the new ways, casting off and trying on and adapting as they go with no template. So many crap workers, tho', so if you didn't grow up with it it can be a slog. On the other hand - MEATHEAD (a.k.a. Thee Fink)!

- time, the script is you and me, boys,

RAF

p.s. - youthful RAF and  his chum Vinnie C are also visible in the WM1 home release and Arthur appeared in the  WWF Victory magazine. Collect and trade with your friends.

[paintedbynumbers]

On 12/1/2019 at 2:47 PM, thee Reverend Axl Future said:

Hey, Young RAF was there! My pal Arthur and I always stood for the Russian National Anthem and were scolded by various NYC cab drivers and newsboys for it. I dunno if I have the gumption to watch through this mishegas to see if we made hard cam, although we are visible in several other MSG tapings from that era. The work moves-wise is minimal but the work working-wise is deliciously old school. This is a very interesting time as they are clinging to tradition but discovering the new ways, casting off and trying on and adapting as they go with no template. So many crap workers, tho', so if you didn't grow up with it it can be a slog. On the other hand - MEATHEAD (a.k.a. Thee Fink)!

- time, the script is you and me, boys,

RAF

p.s. - youthful RAF and  his chum Vinnie C are also visible in the WM1 home release and Arthur appeared in the  WWF Victory magazine. Collect and trade with your friends.

what is Arthur up to these days? Is he still a fan?

[sydneybrown]

Hell, does anyone know what Vladimir is up to these days?  Is HE still a fan?

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

If anyone was ever going to give it up for a lifetime of coke and disco...

[cwoy2j]

On 11/29/2019 at 3:29 PM, sydneybrown said:

Hogan took a ton of countout and DQ losses during his first reign.  That's how you'd get a three match series out of them.  For example, Savage beat Hogan by countout in MSG twice before Hogan finally pinned him in a lumberjack match.  Don Muraco was another one.  Kept getting countout wins which would lead to a cage match.

There's a match on The Network where George Steele beats Hogan by countout in Boston to set up a return.

[thee Reverend Axl Future]

On 12/3/2019 at 9:24 AM, paintedbynumbers said:

what is Arthur up to these days? Is he still a fan?

I lost touch with Arthur but he was a great guy and funny as heck. He brought his camera to the MSG show to fulfill his HS photography shop assignments. His mom was pals with one of the MSG families, so we had access to their ringside seat privleges. We saw a lot of great matches but saw much Tiger Chung Lee  vs, Mr. Fuji openers.

misty & water-colored,

RAF

[BloodyChamp]

On 11/19/2019 at 7:21 AM, BurningBeard said:

Why did WWF ditch the similar angle with Rikishi when he was doing his Make A Difference gimmick? 

Not sure I’m not the WWF historian I’m afraid

[PetrolCB]

On 12/3/2019 at 10:50 PM, sydneybrown said:

Hell, does anyone know what Vladimir is up to these days?  Is HE still a fan?

I remember seeing photos of him showing up at a fan fest. Whatever the hell was in or near NYC last. Looks exactly the same.

23 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:

Not sure I’m not the WWF historian I’m afraid

Dynamite drop in, Marty. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by PetrolCB

[BloodyChamp]

Is there an official DVD set somewhere with some better matches on it that the Triumph and Tragedy set? That might have been the best doc they ever did but the match selection was disappointing considering all the good matches they had.

[Infinit]

In Watt's era of WCW in 1992, were Williams and Gordy affiliated with All Japan or New Japan? And if they were affiliated with AJ, how did this come to fruition politically?

[Zimbra]

I'm trying to  find info on a weird indy show I watched on tape back in the early 2000s, no later than Summer 2002.  The notables

-It was held in some armory in West Virginia by a fed called ECWA, but it wasn't that ECWA.  

-They clearly had a bit of a budget as they brought in a bunch of big-at-the-time indy guys.

-M-Dogg 20 and Josh Prohibition wrestled, in what I'm pretty sure was one of their first matches outside the midwest.

-The  main event was an 8-man tag that was Maximos/Red/somebody vs Backseat Boys/Devine Storm that was a parody of the WWE main event schmozz-type brawls of the time

Does anyone else recall this or know who put it together?  I never heard anything before or after about the fed and I never saw any other tapes of theirs for sale.

[odessasteps]

I worked briefly for some WV indy in the late 90s doing their programs. It was a lot of MCW guys and some other guys (I think they used Morgus the Maniac). But I dont think that was their acronym. 

[Zimbra]

5 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

I worked briefly for some WV indy in the late 90s doing their programs. It was a lot of MCW guys and some other guys (I think they used Morgus the Maniac). But I dont think that was their acronym. 

Apparently I had done some shit googling before because I found the listing on Smartmark.  Fed was the East Cost Wrestling Alliance and it looks like they only promoted a handful of shows between 2001-02, including some co-promotions with PCW.  It was owned by someone named Jackie Murray, does that name ring any bells?

Anyway, the card was way less star-studded than I remember:

East Coast Wrestling Alliance - November 17, 2001 - Weirton, WV
1. Slayer & Crazy Bob vs Sexual Harassment (JT Rogers & Eric Xtasy)
2. Chi Chi Cruz vs The Prophet
3. Troy Lords & Kid Sensation vs Kid Trance & Donnie Bon Jovi
4. Tarzan Taylor w/ Miss Kara vs "Brutal" Bob Evans
5. Supreme Lee Great vs Freak of Nature vs The Protege
6. Station House (Michael Firehouse & Rescue) w/ JJ Hott vs Malakei & Zachary Springate III
7. JT Lightning & Josh Prohibition vs MDog20 & Adam Cage
8. The S.A.T. (Jose & Joel Maximo, Quiet Storm & RED) vs Chris Hamrick, Donnie B & The Backseat Boyz - Falls Count Anywhere West Virginia Street Fight - (this is one of the funniest matches I have ever seen. Must see as its definitely the funniest indy match of the year)
9. Matt Vandal w/ Dylan Dean vs Jimmy Vega$ w/ Big Playa vs "Bad Boy" Brian Anthony

[Log]

Sexual Harassment is an amazing/terrible name for a tag team.