Mister TV Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dewar said: Happjack is correct, the way the NWA booked their world title would have totally screwed TA. He would have needed a year plus title reign, but they would have been wanting to put the belt back on Flair after three or four months. I believe he ends up in the WWF, in the Mr. Wonderful to Hulk Hogan role for awhile. Wins the IC belt, eventually gets turned to the dark side by Bobby Heenan, and has a big money run with Hogan. You'd have to keep Mags separate from Hogan, he can't go from being Dusty's buddy to Hogan's buddy he needs to be his own man. Magnum could team with Hogan in towns like Baltimore and Providence but he's going to captain his own Survivor Series team and have his own page in the merchandise catalog. Also TA doesn't come off as someone who'd be jealous of Hogan's success, he'd be happy for the Hulkster and laugh off any attempt from a heel manager who tried to get into his ear about Hogan. Now Magnum going heel when Savage was champ and babyface would have worked perfectly and drawn big money, Mags getting jealous and frustrated that someone like Randy Savage was the champ and had the girl when both rightfully should have been his would have worked if he was eliminated from the WM4 tourney in a screwy way. Edited July 29, 2019 by happjack 1
J.H. Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 I thought the plan was Magnum beating Flair at Starrcade in 86 to set-up him and Nikita again? Or was it he was beating Nikita at Starrcade to set-up a US title feud with Jimmy Garvin? James
Infinit Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 Did Nikita Koloff ever have any matches with Kerry Von Erich or any combo of Nikita/Ivan/Krusher and the Von Erichs?
BloodyChamp Posted August 1, 2019 Posted August 1, 2019 Dusty would have messed it up somehow before the typical failures we remember WCW for happened tbh.
odessasteps Posted August 1, 2019 Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) On 7/30/2019 at 6:48 PM, Infinit said: Did Nikita Koloff ever have any matches with Kerry Von Erich or any combo of Nikita/Ivan/Krusher and the Von Erichs? The only thing close I saw going through cagematch is that they were both on the Comiskey Park Superclash but in different matches. Kerry and Nikita, that is. Edited August 1, 2019 by odessasteps 1
Curt McGirt Posted August 2, 2019 Posted August 2, 2019 Maybe I'm an idiot that doesn't know how to use Cagematch, but was there ever the had-to-be-incredible matchup of Don Leo Jonathan vs. Billy Robinson anywhere?
Liam Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 Is there a reason that the Freebirds went to AWA, rather than staying in World Class post-Parade of Champions 1985? I'd assume money, but I'm primarily asking because the Observer seemed to believe they were set for a stay in World Class, yet they only hung around for a few weeks.
sydneybrown Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) Freebirds usually didn't stay in one area too long. Them being in World Class from 82-84 was more an anomaly than the norm. I would assume they left because at the time Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez were the top heels and the Birds were kinda playing second fiddle in a truce with the Von Erichs. Edited August 5, 2019 by sydneybrown
Brian Fowler Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 The NWA/WCW never really figured out that they could book a long-term face champion now that the territory system was basically dead until Hogan came in. And even then, after his first run, there isn't another long babyface world title run ever again. 1
BobbyWhioux Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) Have The Briscoes been around long enough now that there can be old school questions about them? If so, why are Jay and Mark also “The Briscoes” and what, if any, is the connection to Jack and Gerald? Edited August 7, 2019 by BobbyWhioux
Bustronaut Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 Jack and Gerry are "The Briscos" Mark and Jay are "The BriscoEs" They came up via ECWA around the time that Gerry was stooging on Raw, so it's likely Kettner thought it'd be funny. 1
BloodyChamp Posted August 8, 2019 Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) WCW had a good idea with Sting. Have him beat a good enough challenger (Sid) while laying the tracks for Starrcade, The Black Scorpion. Like every good idea had though they messed it up. Them flat not having any idea at all what to do with a face champion is a myth. I remembered what was going on with the Black Scorpion pretty well with him stalking Sting claiming to be from his past, with a play on words nickname. Perfect lol! I recently rewatched some TV though and he went as far as to give dates and places and other references to the Ultimate Warrior. That obviously was a risk but they could have probably thought of some kind of payoff besides Ric Flair in the months they had before Starrcade. But where it started going to crap was before then. For some reason they had him start doing magic tricks and chants and whatnot. Just really silly stuff that lost it’s suspense before Starrcade, aka a good idea they messed up. So they just went back to Flair. Edited August 8, 2019 by BloodyChamp
BurningBeard Posted August 8, 2019 Posted August 8, 2019 Was Flair winning the title soon after a bit of a 'thank you' for bailing them out on that angle? Typical Flair, he didn't even attempt to wrestle a different style or do anything to throw you off the ball when it came down to the match lol.
Mister TV Posted August 8, 2019 Posted August 8, 2019 The Rick Martel discussion in the chat thread got me thinking, what it Rick Martel came in as a singles heel in 1987 instead of a face tag teamer? Anyone else think he ends up in the Honky Tonk Man's spot and is legit remembered as one of the greatest IC champs? Think of Martel vs. Jake a few years earlier, Martel vs. Steamboat, Martel vs. Savage and Martel dragging good matches out of Beefcake and Warrior.
Matt D Posted August 8, 2019 Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) No one in the world would bring in 1987 Rick Martel as a heel. He could be a babyface replacement for Steamboat, however. Do we generally believe the Butch Reed rumor as fact? I could see a world where Reed and Martel are tearing things up throughout 87. Edited August 8, 2019 by Matt D
Technico Support Posted August 8, 2019 Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, BloodyChamp said: WCW had a good idea with Sting. Have him beat a good enough challenger (Sid) while laying the tracks for Starrcade, The Black Scorpion. Like every good idea had though they messed it up. Them flat not having any idea at all what to do with a face champion is a myth. I remembered what was going on with the Black Scorpion pretty well with him stalking Sting claiming to be from his past, with a play on words nickname. Perfect lol! I recently rewatched some TV though and he went as far as to give dates and places and other references to the Ultimate Warrior. That obviously was a risk but they could have probably thought of some kind of payoff besides Ric Flair in the months they had before Starrcade. Wikipedia says Flair said that it was supposed to be Al Perez, which also sounds uninspiring But where it started going to crap was before then. For some reason they had him start doing magic tricks and chants and whatnot. Just really silly stuff that lost it’s suspense before Starrcade, aka a good idea they messed up. So they just went back to Flair. Can anybody refresh my memory on whether there even was a planned payoff for the angle? All I'd ever heard was that Angel of Death might have been the plan for the real Black Scorpion, playing off him and Sting's days in Powerteam USA or the UWF or whatever. I know Angel portrayed one of the masked Scorpions who wrestled on a Clash or maybe did card tricks, but having longtime utility player Dave Sheldon unmask would have gone over like a fart in church. Wikipedia mentions that Flair said it was supposed to have been Al Perez the whole time, which also feels really uninspired. I really hope it was "we'll figure it out when we get there" because that would be the most late 80s NWA/WCW thing. Edited August 8, 2019 by Technico Support
sydneybrown Posted August 9, 2019 Posted August 9, 2019 10 hours ago, Technico Support said: I really hope it was "we'll figure it out when we get there" because that would be the most late 80s NWA/WCW thing. Pretty sure the angle was all set-up with no pay-off. All the clues insinuated that Ultimate Warrior was the Scorpion which obviously was never happening. So when you're hinting THAT, ANY reveal is going to be a huge letdown. I always felt the Black Scorpion gimmick was to let guys like Angel of Death and Al Perez wrestle Sting as The Black Scorpion to help the house shows and make what would otherwise be borderline jobber matches seem like a bigger deal. 1
Wyld Samurai Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 Well... I could see Eddie Gilbert being a good pay off for The Black Scorpion. He's the only guy with a name value associated to Sting's past that wasn't Warrior. 2
Happ Hazzard Posted August 10, 2019 Posted August 10, 2019 Going back to Magnum, I think he'd have ended up jumping to the WWF in late 88/89 when Tully, Arn, JJ, Dusty and Windham all did. I think they'd have changed his name (well, the "Magnum" part anyway, he might have kept T.A.) and given him a biker gimmick, with him riding a motorcycle to the ring.
BloodyChamp Posted August 11, 2019 Posted August 11, 2019 Was there a Magnum TA copycat, name and all, in some outlaw promotion? Or did they dare try to bring back the real Magnum like they did gimmicks? Maybe it was a jobber gag like Magnum T. A. I seem to remember seeing that on TV as a youngun after Magnum had been finished a long time.
AxB Posted August 11, 2019 Posted August 11, 2019 I remember something about that. I'm fairly sure that TA and Tokyo are not the only Magnum's in Wrestling history.
odessasteps Posted August 11, 2019 Posted August 11, 2019 Weren’t we just discussing Magnum Scott Hall one one of the threads last week?
BurningBeard Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Yeah, that's why Scott Hall could never get any traction or a push in WCW due to ill feelings about him just being a Magnum TA rip off after the accident.
Shane Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Was Wild West Wrestling affiliated with the AWA? Watching some of their TV on youtube and there’s a match with Sherri Martel defending the AWA title versus Candi Devine. I don’t remember any association between them, but I feel like my only memory of WWW is from after Mantell merged with World Class.
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