Matt D Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Jake Roberts is a liar. I mean, of course he is, lying in that whisper voice so that people would have to lean in and listen. He's a prince of lies, one of the best liars that there ever was. But he's especially so about the DDT. That's Black Gordman hitting one on Santo. You can go to youtube and find him in 77 hitting one against Inoki/Choshu. And you can find him in the early 80s on NWA Classics in Houston, during 84, very close to the time that Jake was back into Mid-South, when Houston was using Mid-South talent. That old story about him locking in a facelock and falling down and the crowd going nuts? Yeah, no. Gordman also kicks out two absolutely deliberate STOs in the Classics match too, in 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Of the innumerable things Jake Roberts has lied about over the years, inventing the DDT is one of the most benign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The Eva Marie super push is obvious but no way she'll get the belt. Very, very rarely do they just put a championship on someone that unqualified for it. Also, the way the Observer makes it sound is that the idea is that she's "proving her critics wrong through hard work." She's clearly being positioned as a heel here. The story they're trying to tell doesn't make sense. I am in no way a fan of Miz, but at the time he had potential and could carry his end of a match. He should have lost the belt to Lawler for a day, but that is not his fault. Rollins is a bigger failure as champion. Which is not really his fault, but whoever had the idea to let him ever talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Oh wow... here's some good news for Infinit. That's my buddy's promotion. I knew they were bringing Rey in...but wow that looks like a real fun main event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 In Jakes defense, with all the drugs he's done he probably thinks it happened that way. It's also entirely possible people in Georgia or where ever he was when he did it had never seen such a move. Besides wrestling is built on stealing something from someone else. Pro wrestling used to be three and half hour matches of guys just rolling around with each other trying to get a pin before someone thought "hey what if I pick this guy up and drop him on his back". That worked and the next thing you know everyone is doing a body slam than a suplex and so on and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Oh wow... here's some good news for Infinit. That's my buddy's promotion. I knew they were bringing Rey in...but wow that looks like a real fun main event. I hope they're planning on filming that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Jake Roberts is a liar. I mean, of course he is, lying in that whisper voice so that people would have to lean in and listen. He's a prince of lies, one of the best liars that there ever was. But he's especially so about the DDT. That's Black Gordman hitting one on Santo. You can go to youtube and find him in 77 hitting one against Inoki/Choshu. And you can find him in the early 80s on NWA Classics in Houston, during 84, very close to the time that Jake was back into Mid-South, when Houston was using Mid-South talent. That old story about him locking in a facelock and falling down and the crowd going nuts? Yeah, no. Gordman also kicks out two absolutely deliberate STOs in the Classics match too, in 1984. There is a chance he thought of it independently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeeball Wizard Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Jake Roberts is a liar. I mean, of course he is, lying in that whisper voice so that people would have to lean in and listen. He's a prince of lies, one of the best liars that there ever was. But he's especially so about the DDT. That's Black Gordman hitting one on Santo. You can go to youtube and find him in 77 hitting one against Inoki/Choshu. And you can find him in the early 80s on NWA Classics in Houston, during 84, very close to the time that Jake was back into Mid-South, when Houston was using Mid-South talent. That old story about him locking in a facelock and falling down and the crowd going nuts? Yeah, no. Gordman also kicks out two absolutely deliberate STOs in the Classics match too, in 1984. There is a chance he thought of it independently. I'd say that's entirely possible, its not like tape trading or the internet were around back then. Could be a situation like what happened with Nova and Christopher Daniels both "innovating" the Spin Doctor/Roll of the Dice/Queens Crossbow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 If we listen to Jake Roberts about anything, it's our own fault. He did tell us in 1991, never trust a snake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Boesch @ Houston, TX – Sam Houston Coliseum – December 16, 1983Rick Rood & Tony Torres d. Carl Fergie & Hacksaw HigginsKrusher Darsow d. George WeingroffEl Bracero d. Jeff SwordLanny Poffo d. Tom LintzHacksaw Duggan d. Jake RobertsJose Lothario d. Black GordmanJim Neidhart & Butch Reed d. Steve Williams & Mr. Wrestling IINikolai Volkoff d. Junkyard Dog Magic bullet. (That's mostly a joke, I know Jake may have done it a few years before. I've seen 3-4 Gordman matches over a span of decades, though and he uses it in almost all of them. The guy was one of the biggest talents in CA for a long period of time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Unless Gordman did the DDT on those shows Jake was on, not exactly evidence there, sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMax46 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 All you need to know is that Wikipedia doesn't buy the DDT story. And Wikipedia believes 93,173. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 There is a chance he thought of it independently. I'd say that's entirely possible, its not like tape trading or the internet were around back then. Could be a situation like what happened with Nova and Christopher Daniels both "innovating" the Spin Doctor/Roll of the Dice/Queens Crossbow. Or Scott Steiner inventing the Frankensteiner without ever having seen a Huracanrana (or seeing Jacky Chan do one in Project A (1986)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The Frankensteiner is a totally different move though. What are the chances that Scott Steiner didn't lie? Someone needs to bring it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenalysis Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 The Eva Marie super push is obvious but no way she'll get the belt. Very, very rarely do they just put a championship on someone that unqualified for it. Also, the way the Observer makes it sound is that the idea is that she's "proving her critics wrong through hard work." She's clearly being positioned as a heel here. The story they're trying to tell doesn't make sense. I am in no way a fan of Miz, but at the time he had potential and could carry his end of a match. He should have lost the belt to Lawler for a day, but that is not his fault. Rollins is a bigger failure as champion. Which is not really his fault, but whoever had the idea to let him ever talk. I'll admit I think the Miz is pretty good, especially during his title run, Probably one of those guys in 20-30 years who will be viewed a lot more positively than he is today, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Guy Named Tracy Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Jake Roberts is a liar. I mean, of course he is, lying in that whisper voice so that people would have to lean in and listen. He's a prince of lies, one of the best liars that there ever was. But he's especially so about the DDT. That's Black Gordman hitting one on Santo. You can go to youtube and find him in 77 hitting one against Inoki/Choshu. And you can find him in the early 80s on NWA Classics in Houston, during 84, very close to the time that Jake was back into Mid-South, when Houston was using Mid-South talent. That old story about him locking in a facelock and falling down and the crowd going nuts? Yeah, no. Gordman also kicks out two absolutely deliberate STOs in the Classics match too, in 1984. There is a chance he thought of it independently. I thought I had invented both the blue thunder power bomb and the mountain bomb circa 1988 while playing with my He-Man toys. Blue Thunder was Man-E-Faces finisher and the mountain bomb was Dragstor's. Years later I considered lawsuits against Akiyama and Tenzan, but I let it slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Jake Roberts is a liar. I mean, of course he is, lying in that whisper voice so that people would have to lean in and listen. He's a prince of lies, one of the best liars that there ever was. But he's especially so about the DDT. That's Black Gordman hitting one on Santo. You can go to youtube and find him in 77 hitting one against Inoki/Choshu. And you can find him in the early 80s on NWA Classics in Houston, during 84, very close to the time that Jake was back into Mid-South, when Houston was using Mid-South talent. That old story about him locking in a facelock and falling down and the crowd going nuts? Yeah, no. Gordman also kicks out two absolutely deliberate STOs in the Classics match too, in 1984. There is a chance he thought of it independently. I thought I had invented both the blue thunder power bomb and the mountain bomb circa 1988 while playing with my He-Man toys. Blue Thunder was Man-E-Faces finisher and the mountain bomb was Dragstor's. Years later I considered lawsuits against Akiyama and Tenzan, but I let it slide. I thought I invented the double team Top rope clothesline/power bomb move with my Shatterstar & Longshot tag team. When I saw Benoit/Malenko do it in ECW I legit thought one of my friends told them about the move and they copied it (I had to be 10 years old at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 All you need to know is that Wikipedia doesn't buy the DDT story. And Wikipedia believes 93,173. Wikipedia doesn't have independent sourcing for the DDT story. McMahon's touted 93K to hell and back, and enough people were gullible-slash-lazy enough to take his word that it got printed a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Unless Gordman did the DDT on those shows Jake was on, not exactly evidence there, sunshine. The Gordman vs Lothario match from a couple of months later that we have is awesome so hopefully we get that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I thought someone had said Gordman did it in a territory where Jake was working as a ref before becoming a wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I buy that Jake probably saw Gordman do it and didn't "invent" it, but I also totally believe the first time he did it was by accident because he fell down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Lana just posted a pic on Instagram (on phone so I can't post it or the caption) but basically she fractured her wrist training for the Night of Champions match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So Lana just posted a pic on Instagram (on phone so I can't post it or the caption) but basically she fractured her wrist training for the Night of Champions match Sad Lana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Inspirational Lana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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