Curt McGirt Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, The Natural said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2842662-seth-rollins-responds-to-jon-moxley-bashing-wwe-defends-vince-mcmahon-creative.amp.html Either Stockholm Syndrome really is a big thing, or bad taste really is a big thing. Probably both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Survivor Series has been announced as being tri-banded - RAW vs Smackdown vs. NXT That is all the announced The NEWZ~! sites say there is some talk that instead of 2 Wargames matches on Takeover, one will take place on Survivor Series The usual "Nothing is finalized" caveat with all of this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Brock is going to eat Adam Cole. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Give me Cole and Lesnar in the same ring so Lesnar could literally eat him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Survivor Series has been announced as being tri-banded - RAW vs Smackdown vs. NXT That is all the announced The NEWZ~! sites say there is some talk that instead of 2 Wargames matches on Takeover, one will take place on Survivor Series The usual "Nothing is finalized" caveat with all of this Brand... Brand split? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Remember Survivor Series is the one time a year they compete against each other. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, RIPPA said: Remember Survivor Series is the one time a year they compete against each other. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whodathunkit Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, The Natural said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2842662-seth-rollins-responds-to-jon-moxley-bashing-wwe-defends-vince-mcmahon-creative.amp.html Eh, I largely agree with Seth. I'm probably in the minority, but the Mox podcast with Jericho annoyed me. Moxley would go out of his way to say "well, I don't want to bash the company but....." and then he would spend 20 minutes telling embarrassing stories and generally shitting on the company. I don't have a problem with bashing Vince - and Mox was very entertaining. But the whole "I'm going to take the high road here nudge nudge wink wink" routine irritated me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 hours ago, The Natural said: I think that's a result of Seth's twitter antics particularly with Will Ospreay, his interview on TAFKA Dean Ambrose, dwindling ratings with Rollins on top, showing fear to the Fiend and what happened inside Hell in a Cell. Seth not understanding wrestling in 2019 is the truest thing he's ever said and it's not for the reason he thinks. I used to have a roommate who really wanted to be rock star, specifically a lead guitarist. He practiced all the time until he could mimic some pretty complicated songs fairly well, enough to impress people at parties or jam occasionally. But he could not write his own stuff. Not only that, he didn't understand why that made him a bad musician. He didn't understand music as an expression, he thought he could just play the notes and people would care. That's how Seth Rollins wrestles. He plays the notes. It's no wonder he's on top of WWE right now, he's the epitome of a Superstar(tm) as opposed to a wrestler. And he's such a dork on top of that it makes it hard to sympathize with him too. But good on him for living his dream. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 WWE's solution to the live shows was reducing them, so that's their fix to the live events problem. They mentioned the new Executive Director roles allows some of the load to be taken off Vince. But also allows him to be more targeted on how he deals with the creative process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Godfrey said: Seth not understanding wrestling in 2019 is the truest thing he's ever said and it's not for the reason he thinks. I used to have a roommate who really wanted to be rock star, specifically a lead guitarist. He practiced all the time until he could mimic some pretty complicated songs fairly well, enough to impress people at parties or jam occasionally. But he could not write his own stuff. Not only that, he didn't understand why that made him a bad musician. He didn't understand music as an expression, he thought he could just play the notes and people would care. That's how Seth Rollins wrestles. He plays the notes. It's no wonder he's on top of WWE right now, he's the epitome of a Superstar(tm) as opposed to a wrestler. And he's such a dork on top of that it makes it hard to sympathize with him too. But good on him for living his dream. Because some people just love cover bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, RIPPA said: Survivor Series has been announced as being tri-banded - RAW vs Smackdown vs. NXT That is all the announced The NEWZ~! sites say there is some talk that instead of 2 Wargames matches on Takeover, one will take place on Survivor Series The usual "Nothing is finalized" caveat with all of this Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, RIPPA said: Remember Survivor Series is the one time a year they compete against each other. until the Royal Rumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 The problem with Rollins isn't just these things...but at least you can understand why Rollins is on top in a roundabout sense. Seth Rollins was given the spot because when he was anointed, he was the most inoffensive choice there was. It wasn't just three good weeks to make him one, but rather the fact that Seth Rollins was nobody's FAVORITE, but pretty much everyone thought he was okay. It wasn't the "I love Seth Rollins, he's the best ever!", but "...oh, yeah, Rollins. He's not bad, I like that guy, I guess..." On paper, that made Rollins a good choice: He's not the choice everyone loves, but 100% approval ratings are never going to happen again for the top guy...so it's now about finding the person the most possible fans can live with as the top guy. In practice, you find the real problem: Just "I can live with that guy" is waving a white flag and admitting "we got nothing. We're just going to give a milquetoast program that won't offend anyone. We're going to strive for 'okay'. It's not going to be great, it's not going to be bad...it'll just be okay." And most of WWE's big problems with the show is that it's...well, it's okay. It's not great, it's not as bad as people think...it's....just okay. Seth Rollins is an okay top guy...and that's not okay. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Whodathunkit said: Eh, I largely agree with Seth. I'm probably in the minority, but the Mox podcast with Jericho annoyed me. Moxley would go out of his way to say "well, I don't want to bash the company but....." and then he would spend 20 minutes telling embarrassing stories and generally shitting on the company. I don't have a problem with bashing Vince - and Mox was very entertaining. But the whole "I'm going to take the high road here nudge nudge wink wink" routine irritated me. You have to be confusing the Jericho podcast with a different one Moxley did or have a really bad recollection because I just listened to this last night and this did not happen. As for Rollins I’ve seen no less then 10 theories on here a day as to why he’s not over or the guy and I think what it really boils down to is casual/modern wrestling fans do not like baby faces who come out and only say shit like “The WWE universe” and credit all their accomplishments and abilities to the fans like they’re begging to be liked. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Whodathunkit said: Eh, I largely agree with Seth. I'm probably in the minority, but the Mox podcast with Jericho annoyed me. Moxley would go out of his way to say "well, I don't want to bash the company but....." and then he would spend 20 minutes telling embarrassing stories and generally shitting on the company. I don't have a problem with bashing Vince - and Mox was very entertaining. But the whole "I'm going to take the high road here nudge nudge wink wink" routine irritated me. Narc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ryan Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Where's the Sharecropper when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 hours ago, just drew said: Narc. 4 hours ago, Zartan said: You have to be confusing the Jericho podcast with a different one Moxley did or have a really bad recollection because I just listened to this last night and this did not happen. As for Rollins I’ve seen no less then 10 theories on here a day as to why he’s not over or the guy and I think what it really boils down to is casual/modern wrestling fans do not like baby faces who come out and only say shit like “The WWE universe” and credit all their accomplishments and abilities to the fans like they’re begging to be liked. How is that any different from any other top baby face since Cena. Cena was that last Babyface Champ that was allowed to be a badass and not be a complete geek. Even with the poopy jokes and other lame stuff he did he still came across at someone not to mess around with. Even Roman was allowed to really be a badass until before he left last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Rollins isn't over now because despite being consistently pushed for years, he was really never that over. He's a product of a change in philosophy in the company that took place a few years back. Traditionally, in order to earn a sustained push you need to be drawing. At some point drawing power no longer mattered. The same players would be pushed and featured no matter what. This left WWE with a generation of performers at the top of the card nobody asked for. Now that Rollins is in the role of top guy for the promotion, he was destined to fall on his face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custos Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said: Brock is going to eat Adam Cole. 9 hours ago, The Man Known as Dan said: Give me Cole and Lesnar in the same ring so Lesnar could literally eat him. Well Brock can start on his arms but that would barely be an appetiser. Lesnar will be begging for @AxB’s guns for a proper meal. Btw I can’t talk - in contrast to our esteemed board member, I’m built like Brian Hildebrand if he had been stretched a few inches taller... Edited November 1, 2019 by Custos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 There was a period about a year and a half ago, I believe shortly after Rollins got the stomp back that he did seem to turn a corner and was over enough to seem like a legit top guy. I think part of the problem was putting him in an extended program with Dolph shortly after this but I think a good portion of it comes down to there being no top belt on Raw for way too long and hence they had to wait too long before taking a shot on Rollins as the top guy again. I'm not convinced that he's cut out to be a top face, but the timing of it likely didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, JohnnyJ said: Rollins isn't over now because despite being consistently pushed for years, he was really never that over. He's a product of a change in philosophy in the company that took place a few years back. Traditionally, in order to earn a sustained push you need to be drawing. At some point drawing power no longer mattered. The same players would be pushed and featured no matter what. This left WWE with a generation of performers at the top of the card nobody asked for. Now that Rollins is in the role of top guy for the promotion, he was destined to fall on his face. The irony is that the only times Rollins ever got over where those times when WWE gave up on him and moved on. When he got moved down the card, THEN the fans organically took to him. And THEN he got cheered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 It's pretty well known around here that I can't stand Rollins, but there's no denying he was the most over face on the roster for a good chunk of 2018. But he started cooling off in the latter part of that summer. He was still over, but by the time his Rumble win rolled around, he was just one of the handful of guys getting roughly the same pop. And it's just been slowly withering away all year. It's classic WWE though; don't strike when the iron is hot, wait six or eight months. Then strike regardless of whether or not it's still hot. (Except with Rusev. With Rusev it's just refuse to strike no matter what.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP Steve Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Hello, October 2019. I come in peace from the future. I bring a message: WWE still sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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