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  1. Pulled the trigger and ordered the show. I really tried to get a sense of why this fed was getting so much hype. To me this felt like a giant local indy show. It had everything you would expect. The out of shape local guys. The "names" to bring in some casuals. The lack of feuds/storylines. The indifferent crowd. Cardona/Janela match stood out as actually having a storyline and stupidity of it all was fun. I could see myself ordering future shows to see the storyline continue to unfold. I was a pass on just about everything else.
  2. I enjoyed the Cody promo. I understand it is a thing where the fanbase soured on him. However, I don't 100% understand what is going on or why it happened. Performers like Cody and Bucks deserve all of the credit in the world for creating a ton of buzz and that buzz culminating in the creation of AEW. But I wasn't part of that groundswell. I was never seeking out Bullet Club footage or watching Being the Elite. I'm a johnny come lately. Someone who jumped on the bandwagon once AEW started to regularly producing quality matches. And the Punk/Danielson signings were just the cherry on top. So I'm a little out of the loop. Do we have any diehard AEW fans on the board who can breakdown what is going on?
  3. You do have to love that the poor guy has been on US tv for two weeks and somehow ended up in this ridiculous conversation. His assent into a punchline was fast, even for WWE standards.
  4. Didnt WWE glorify the hell out of the time Becky was busted open?
  5. As a kid I would track down any wrestling I could find. Every Sunday when the paper came I would yank the knock off tv guide and search for anything wrestling related. The VHS tape was your friend and I remember not only watching NWA/WCW and WWF, but also got my hands on UWF, GWF and some Memphis footage. I was big on babyface Jarrett WWF stuck to the script. Early 90s WCW rewarded you for your devotion because it was always a little chaotic/random. The thrill people have today revisiting WCW B/C shows existed back then as well. You never knew what you were going to get. I still remember Owens brief NWA run leaving an impression on me. You'd find a syndicated show on at 1 in the morning and 92 Benoit is throwing dragon suplexes. In the late-90s I was WCW all of the way. Again, I liked the randonmness of it all and the quality of some of the match ups. I only changed channels for Stone Cold because he was a force of nature.
  6. What I like about AEW is how the cream rises to the top. Yes, there are always going to be people who are wasted or lost in the shuffle. It is the nature of running a wrestling promotion with a giant roster. However, you really can't compare it to the issues WWE had. Look at Day 1, after several years of hoarding independent talent, WWE has Ridge Holland to show for it.
  7. At the end of the day you can only have so many people at the top. In WWE if you're not at the top you're going to be fed to those at the top and end up looking like a jabroni. At least in AEW when you're not featured you may lose some steam, but they're not taking your credibility.
  8. Danielson v. Morishima-Manhattan Mayhem or Punk v. Taker at Mania.
  9. I just like that I can turn on wrestling on a random Wednesday night and see a great wrestling match that is completely different and be entertained. You can break the booking and decision making down a 100 different ways but at the end of the day that's all that matters to me. I'm not an AEW guy and Hangman doesn't mean anything to me. From my perspective as an outsider, Hangman is a young talent on the rise who hasn't reached world champion level. He just went 60 minutes with the best wrestler in the world. Whether he won or lost is largely irrelevant.
  10. I looked at all of the signings over the past few years as an acknowledgment that no one really knows what works. The creation of draws are largely random. If you sign a whole bunch of people, something is bound to click. It was an acceptance that a five-foot nothing underdog may take the wrestling world by storm and they wanted to be there when it happened. The mass releases of the last year are a rejection of this approach. WWE will now go back to Vince's pet projects and attempt to create draws out of people who look the part. From a business perspective, the question is, is he wrong? I'm sure it eats Vince up that there are A-listers in Hollywood who came out of his system. If he was ever able to line up the timing right, there is the potential for an A-list performer to be headlining his shows and a business bonanza. On the other hand, it has been two decades since a John Cena came through that door and the type of performer Vince is probably picturing doesn't come around too often.
  11. We've reached a point where there isn't much shame in being open about watching WWE or AEW. It's relatively mainstream. Now how do you explain to people that most nights you wait until your wife goes to sleep to turn on midnight express matches?
  12. It's pretty bad right now. Even when interest was low, there was always some kind of draw. Maybe they werent selling out arenas, but there was someone people actually wanted to see. And the endless stream of bad pr certainly isn't helping. With respect to Morrison, who remembers the Chronicle the network put together of his return. It was an hour of him getting jerked around and realizing that none of the big plans for him were actually going to materialize. What's interesting about those network documentaries (the Liv Morgan is another one like this) is that was the usable footage. Just imagine what was left on the cutting room floor. Morrison was only signed in the first place to keep him away from AEW.
  13. WALTER coming in is probably confusing for Vince. How do you shorten someones name when it is already just a first name. How many weeks before he's WALT?
  14. Part of the issue is WWE is almost comically tone-deaf. Unlike most companies, HR decisions are very pubic. If you bring some kid out to Florida for $50k-$75k a year and an opportunity, you can give him/her six months severance on the way out so he/she has a soft landing. It's good for the kid and good PR. The other issue is WWE seems to think they have a personnel problem, when they have a creative problem. So what you end up with is this revolving door of talents who are losing their livelihoods because WWE doesn't know what they are doing.
  15. Isn't this what SNL essentially does now? They don't hire funny people. They hire people with a talent for improv and impersonations. This is how someone like Pete Davidson became such a standout. He's a marginally funny person amongst a group of people who can't deliver a joke.
  16. Ronda put all of the pieces together ridiculously quickly.
  17. The move the needle argument is nonsense. It's WWE-speak for whenever someone they werent behind gets themselves over and doesn't sellout stadiums overnight. Roman has had how many mania main events? Does he move the needle?
  18. Acts that are over are such an anomaly that WWE doesn't know what to do with it. Do they push them? Do they punish them? Do they ignore it? Do they try to use their overness to get over a less over act? I think part of the signing sprees of the last few years was an acknowledgment that they have absolutely no idea what works. All they know is 95% of what they do is not working and every so often someone catches fire. (Punk, Bryan, Lynch) The theory was if you take a bunch of flyers on the cheap, something is bound to work.
  19. The logical reason is that for awhile they were signing anyone and everyone. At the same time people werent getting fired. The result was a bloated roster which seemed to exist to keep talents away from the competition and give a whole bunch of unused wrestlers a paycheck. Because of crummy talent development there are less than a handful of draws in the entire company making just about everyone except dolph ziggler expendable.
  20. I see a comparison between peak NXT and peak American Idol. What made American Idol a pop culture phenomenon is it completely delivered on what it was promising. The viewers were told they were deciding on who was going to be the next pop sensation and the winners went on to be some of the biggest names in the industry. Today there are still a bunch of music competition shows but they are no longer producing stars. Similarly, during peak NXT, not only were you getting quality matches, you felt like you were watching a bunch of talents who were going to get called up and run the place. Initially, some of the talents did big things right out of the gate. However, after years of call ups faltering and not doing much of anything combined with talents overstaying their welcome, NXT is just another wrestling show.
  21. My understanding of the thought process behind the house show loop is there is a lot of value to the company in running these B, C, and D towns which are light on major sports and live entertainment. House shows are extremely kid heavy and you’re creating new fans. At least in theory this is supposed increase ratings, bump up merch/sub numbers, etc. Whether this is actually true or the best use of company resources is debatable.
  22. My wrestling hot take is that over the last few years WWE effectively killed the town. They were positioned absolutely perfectly. All of those attitude era wrestling fans were now entering their prime earning years with disposable income and young children. The indies/performance center had produced a talent surplus. The tv/streaming wars would give them more money for programming than they could imagine. Yet between endless bad press, boring/bad tv and ignoring the audience they managed to turn off most of their fan base.
  23. I think about someone like Wesley Blake. Two years in the business he gets signed. Probably thinks he's on the verge of stardom. This is the beginning of Obamas second term. He then toils in nxt through the entire second half of his 20s and beginning of his 30s. Almost a decade playing grabass in Florida during his prime wrestling years waiting for his break. WWE doesn't owe him money or an opportunity but what an indictment of the developmental system.
  24. Perhaps, but what about the rise of the underfaker? And Kane getting the rub by storyline killing his brother.
  25. What's interesting about Sid is how many stints he had in each company over a decade. (3 WCW, 2 WWF) If he debuted for the 15-20 year period where WWE was the only major promotion he probably flames out in 6 months to a year and is never heard from again.
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