kafkonia Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Assuming Daniel gets stripped, and from a storyline perspective it makes no sense for them not to strip him if he can't defend in 30 days, what do you guys think they do with the belt? Who do you put it on? I'd actually make the stips for the The Shield v Evolution match be whomever gets the pinfall takes the strap. Would add a shit ton of intrigue and set up future angles. Run #2 for I. Abeyance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Abraham Yance. God that seems like forever ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 It was never explicitly stated on WCW tv but it was always implied that the nWo through DiBiase were the ones who gave DDP money after he lost all of Kimberly's bingo winnings back to her and Johnny B. Badd. If that was the case, that's another boneheaded move by DiBiase b/c Page fought the nWo at every turn. this idea had never crossed into my mind while watching it in '97. the "mysterious benefactor" was just dropped and never mentioned again. come early '97, on a Saturday Night, Dusty Rhodes speculates that it was DiBiase that bankrolled him with future hopes of an nWo initiation. DDP then turns them down because he wasn't on the "ground floor". as far as i'm concerned, it makes perfect sense, so that's what happened. as far as terrible managers, how does Teddy Long stack up? sure, he had Doom in 1990, but by the Nitro era, he pretty much never left Worldwide. that can't be good for your pocketbook. Dibiase being DDP's benefactor was one if those Yoko joining the Hart Foundation rumors for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonL21 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 As far as babyfaces losing to heels, Batista had a shitty record against Edge in 2007. Edge was beating him clean, yet Batista was still getting title shots for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Rumblings are that Devitt has already signed with WWE. PWInsider confirmed it. Said it in April here that he would report to NXT in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 This is infuriating because the logical move at this point is to have Sting, DDP, and Savage team up to destroy the whole nWo considering that they had Sting out there gathering guys to fight back. There was absolutely no. Logical. Reason. For Savage to join the nWo at this point. That whole year was Savage getting embarrassed by Ric Flair and the Horsemen (and Liz) followed by Savage getting embarrassed by Hogan and the nWo (and Liz) before a totally illogical heel turn. As a huge Savage fan, it was totally deflating at the time. Re: Teddy Long as a manager, except for Doom he was woefully ineffective as a manager. By the mid '90s, he was leading Ice Train and Joe Gomez to loss after loss on Nitro. Jimmy Hart and Bobby Heenan refused to manage a struggling Craig Pittman and pawned him off on Teddy Long, who ended up running Pittman's career into the ground. Then in WWE, who was his best prospect? Rodney Mack? A past-his-prime D'Lo? Mark Henry before Henry got away from him and actually ended up becoming really good and winning a World Championship on his own? In retrospect, he should have hung on to his business relationship with Ron Simmons for dear life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I wonder if Sonny Ono ever developed all those disposable cameras he used to take selfies with during his ring entrances. they used to post some of the pictures on the WCW website. This is infuriating because the logical move at this point is to have Sting, DDP, and Savage team up to destroy the whole nWo considering that they had Sting out there gathering guys to fight back. There was absolutely no. Logical. Reason. For Savage to join the nWo at this point. That whole year was Savage getting embarrassed by Ric Flair and the Horsemen (and Liz) followed by Savage getting embarrassed by Hogan and the nWo (and Liz) before a totally illogical heel turn. As a huge Savage fan, it was totally deflating at the time. i agree that it was an asinine heel turn. but from my point of view, i was excited that he would be the one DOING the beatdowns instead of receiving them from there on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Teddy Long did manage Marcus Alexander Bagwell and Too Cold Scorpio to a glorious 2 week reign as WCW tag team champions. AND win WCW manager of the year for 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Teddy Long managed The Skyscrapers 1.0. That has to be worth SOMETHING. He gave us Sid, people. Recognize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I wonder if Sonny Ono ever developed all those disposable cameras he used to take selfies with during his ring entrances. they used to post some of the pictures on the WCW website. This is infuriating because the logical move at this point is to have Sting, DDP, and Savage team up to destroy the whole nWo considering that they had Sting out there gathering guys to fight back. There was absolutely no. Logical. Reason. For Savage to join the nWo at this point. That whole year was Savage getting embarrassed by Ric Flair and the Horsemen (and Liz) followed by Savage getting embarrassed by Hogan and the nWo (and Liz) before a totally illogical heel turn. As a huge Savage fan, it was totally deflating at the time. i agree that it was an asinine heel turn. but from my point of view, i was excited that he would be the one DOING the beatdowns instead of receiving them from there on. It was a totally logical heel turn. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And join the hottest gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I wonder if Sonny Ono ever developed all those disposable cameras he used to take selfies with during his ring entrances. they used to post some of the pictures on the WCW website. This is infuriating because the logical move at this point is to have Sting, DDP, and Savage team up to destroy the whole nWo considering that they had Sting out there gathering guys to fight back. There was absolutely no. Logical. Reason. For Savage to join the nWo at this point. That whole year was Savage getting embarrassed by Ric Flair and the Horsemen (and Liz) followed by Savage getting embarrassed by Hogan and the nWo (and Liz) before a totally illogical heel turn. As a huge Savage fan, it was totally deflating at the time. i agree that it was an asinine heel turn. but from my point of view, i was excited that he would be the one DOING the beatdowns instead of receiving them from there on. It was a totally logical heel turn. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And join the hottest gang. I have to disagree. If someone has destroyed your life, you usually don't look to try and join 'em. In fact, if Savage had only faked joining to help Sting and DDP by taking down the nWo from the inside, that would have made sense. Instead, they took a guy with a clear motive for revenge that was well-positioned to be a person with clear motivation for sticking his neck out for WCW and just made him another nWo flunky. It didn't totally suck because Savage's out-of-nowhere turn on DDP ended up yielding some excellent matches, but otherwise it was senseless. Imagine Beatrix Kiddo re-joining the Deadly Viper Assasination Squad after they killed her fiance and took her child or Hamlet just agreeing to be a faithful son to Guinevere and Claudius in order to put himself in a better position to rule Denmark upon Claudius's death. Shitty, right? Exactly the same way I feel about Savage not teaming with Sting and DDP to tear through the nWo in 1997. Teddy Long did manage Marcus Alexander Bagwell and Too Cold Scorpio to a glorious 2 week reign as WCW tag team champions. Yeah, but his utter lack of awareness on the outside totally led to their loss in the rematch against the Nasties. He was totally out-managed by Missy Hyatt. Scorp and Bagwell should have been multiple time champions, and Long got two weeks out of them. They might have been better off with Sunny as their manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Teddy Long did manage Marcus Alexander Bagwell and Too Cold Scorpio to a glorious 2 week reign as WCW tag team champions. Yeah, but his utter lack of awareness on the outside totally led to their loss in the rematch against the Nasties. He was totally out-managed by Missy Hyatt. Scorp and Bagwell should have been multiple time champions, and Long got two weeks out of them. They might have been better off with Sunny as their manager. That's probably what scarred him into doing what he did as Smackdown! GM. For posterity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 This is infuriating because the logical move at this point is to have Sting, DDP, and Savage team up to destroy the whole nWo considering that they had Sting out there gathering guys to fight back. There was absolutely no. Logical. Reason. For Savage to join the nWo at this point. My guess is they were afraid of watering down Sting's new gimmick. And Henry had a great run in 03 before he was injured. Him mauling Goldberg and laughing off the super kick was a great moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 What's the most definitive example of a babyface thoroughly losing an extensive feud to the heel? Ryder/Kane is the first that comes to mind, but sure there are better? I don't think Ryback ever beat Punk or The Shield in any setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Teddy Long's biography should be titled "All Roads Lead to HOLLA HOLLA." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 It seems like Swagger decisively loses every single feud he's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.K.o.S. Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Not sure if we have a Chikara thread anymore but they are coming back to NC-Gibsonville to be exact on 10/25/2014 and making their first trip into VA-Richmond on 10/26/2014 I say we have a VA-DVDVR meet up for the Richmond show!! Ah.. so September is still free for a potential King of Trios. Good good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eikerir Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Also i feel like HHH has defeated Orton in like 90% of their matches in the past ten years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.K.o.S. Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Some baseball fans have a goal of visiting every MLB park. Is there anything like that for wrestling? Like has someone ever put together a list of the most famous wrestling venue or landmark in, let's say, each of the 50 states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Some baseball fans have a goal of visiting every MLB park. Is there anything like that for wrestling? Like has someone ever put together a list of the most famous wrestling venue or landmark in, let's say, each of the 50 states? Here is my list. 1. The Silverdome in Michigan 2. The ECW Arena in Philly 3. The Silverdome in New Orleans 4. The Chase in St. Louis 5. The Omni in Atlanta 6. The Hammerstein Ballroom in New York, also that little place called MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Jericho/HHH over time feels like a contender also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Some baseball fans have a goal of visiting every MLB park. Is there anything like that for wrestling? Like has someone ever put together a list of the most famous wrestling venue or landmark in, let's say, each of the 50 states? Here is my list. 1. The Silverdome in Michigan 2. The ECW Arena in Philly 3. The Silverdome in New Orleans 4. The Chase in St. Louis 5. The Omni in Atlanta 6. The Hammerstein Ballroom in New York, also that little place called MSG Domestically, I might add the Centerstage Studios where WCW Saturday Night was taped. The Rosemont Horizon/Allstate Arena, while a dump compared to other modern stadiums, has a great wrestling environment whenever big shows happen there. An international list would have to include Arena Mexico and Arena Coliseo in Mexico City (CMLL's top two buildings), Sumo Hall, Korakuen Hall and the Tokyo Dome in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Some baseball fans have a goal of visiting every MLB park. Is there anything like that for wrestling? Like has someone ever put together a list of the most famous wrestling venue or landmark in, let's say, each of the 50 states? Here is my list. 1. The Silverdome in Michigan 2. The ECW Arena in Philly 3. The Silverdome in New Orleans 4. The Chase in St. Louis 5. The Omni in Atlanta 6. The Hammerstein Ballroom in New York, also that little place called MSG If you're going to attend a wrestling show, the All-State Arena in Chicago/Rosemont is a must. If we're speaking historically, there's also the UIC Pavilion (Chi-Town Rumble). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Also i feel like HHH has defeated Orton in like 90% of their matches in the past ten years Viewers lost out as well. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 NATURAL BURN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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