ReiseReise Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, TheVileOne said: He did tell Hulk Hogan to crash a plane full of people into parts unknown. Now, now... at least the pilots had already made the sacrifice. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, TheVileOne said: Haku actually dragged a couple of decent TV matches out of Warrior Well, even Warrior wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off Haku by stinking up the joint. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka-to Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: FYI (and I've missed some posting so forgive me if this has been brought up already) but New Japan is re-debuting on AXSTV in about 45 minutes. Just a reminder. EDIT: Whoops. I guess it isn't coming back with new stuff until March 3rd, so tonight will be... some kinda footage? EDIT II: It's Jericho vs. Omega from 2018. I guess they wanted to start with a bunch of blood and cursing on purpose. Completely forgot Josh Barnett was on commentary! The same show was on Fight Network in the US. That is very good. The Impact that shows up on Fight Network is six months behind the AXS shows. I didn't remember Josh either, although I may not have ever watched it in English. I was at the Dome for it. I might have only watched the Asahi show that night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 13 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: I think Hogan Vs. Warrior was the key mistake in Warrior’s failure to launch. Not only did it force fans to pick a side, but it was also not that big of a draw. Hogan should’ve lost the belt to Savage prior to WM 6, then you start the Warrior run there with Savage winning it at Mania. Later you decide if you want to do “The Ultimate Challenge” at the next Mania. Yeah, this is a great point. You don't jump from a once in a generation mega popular babyface straight to the guy you hope can become that. The Hot Rod/Optimus Prime comparison was perfect. Building demand for Warrior to win it by having a hated heel beat Hogan would have helped Warrior get off on the right foot. Not sure if it could have been built to be a better Mania main than Hogan/Warrior, but if the goal was to build the future with Warrior, it would have been a better plan. Just goes to show you that Vince really can't make stars. He does a good job promoting them when they fall into his lap and overcome his shitty creative (Austin, Rock, Cena), but that's it. This dude literally looked at a muscular guy with no talent and said FUCK IT THATS MY GUY. The sheer, unmitigated hubris. 12 hours ago, L_W_P said: If Vince was semi up to date then WALTER's surname would be revealed as HEISENBERG and the Imperium team would come to the ring dressed in yellow hazmat suits. Delicious meth-laced chocolate! Or is it chocolate-laced meth? Would they advertise it the same way Reece's Peanut Butter Cups were advertised? "Hey! You got your chocolate in my meth!" "No, you got your meth in my chocolate!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 15 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said: Wow he must’ve known. I joked about it, but I do believe he’ll get a weird chocolate loving German gimmick, and then carted off to Main Event. It all comes full circle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 18 hours ago, KingM said: Just google Gunt and then look at Walter's waist on NXT 2.0. The Gunt flabs his way to Raw soon like Keith Lee did. The he will be getting a dancing gimmick while wearing a dress like Vito, then get released. Von Wagner takes over imperium. The end. Gtg. What's sad is that I have such little faith in WWE Creative, my mind immediately went to them making some kind of joke about WALTER's body when I first heard they changed his name to Gunther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 16 hours ago, Tarheel Moneghetti said: This is funny. So was Jericho's awful, fresh dye job a couple weeks back an elaborate rib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf&Subs Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, zendragon said: It all comes full circle What do people say about the writers? “They know how to write to Vince’s taste”. This is most likely where the Gunther character is leading to knowing Vince’s stereotypes are very dated. To be honest if I was running a “character based” wrestling company I probably wouldn’t know how to add a German based character into a western promotion without it being either A)Military obsessed, or B)Octoberfest goofball. I’d literally have to send my writing staff over to Germany to understand the current culture much better. The WWE isn’t that nuanced, even though they are all about creating characters. Edited January 21, 2022 by LoneWolf&Subs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: But yeah, we were denied a world where Slaughter reminded us that Hulk Hogan wore red and yellow, just like the commies Hogan having to lean into a Trade Unionist gimmick would have been funny - he was already calling everyone "brother" and still had the hard hat! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 13 hours ago, sabremike said: I wish instead of everyone on Twitter tweeting "Fuck Bully Ray" everyone instead pointed out how he really is THE guy most responsible for killing off ROH by pissing off NJPW (having access to their talent was essentially their bread and butter) with his complete idiocy at the MSG Supershow. This is so dumb I can only not be surprised it came from Twitter. It was a shit angle but damn can’t believe people are still this butt hurt over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, RRR said: This is so dumb I can only not be surprised it came from Twitter. It was a shit angle but damn can’t believe people are still this butt hurt over it. Instead of nonsensical name calling and insults provide an argument that refutes what I said. The problem is that you can't. He infuriated the New Japan people with his crap "shoot" angle he didn't tell them about that took all the attention away from the planned angle of Yano stealing the belts. You can tell they were annoyed because New Japan never sent any of their guys over to work ROH shows ever again. Not coincidentally ROH pretty much never drew a good crowd by indie standards ever again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletti Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Bully Ray is surfing a wave of self-importance and wrestling influence that he thinks is some Point Break shit but is actually a mud puddle. 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, christopher.annino said: Bully Ray is surfing a wave of self-importance and wrestling influence that he thinks is some Point Break shit but is actually a mud puddle. Granted I've never met Bubba Ray/Bully but Batista has also said Bubba Ray is a jerk but D'Von is a good dude was always helpful to him in his early days in WWE. What Paige said sort of reminded me of that. Edited January 22, 2022 by TheVileOne 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 I forget the exact details at the moment but Xavier Woods has said on a few occasions that the only reason he is still in wrestling is because of D’Von and the guidance he provided 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Supposedly Bryan Alvarez said on one of the WON radio shows that the only reason Raquel Gonzalez hasn’t been called up yet was because they needed women to fill out the Dusty Cup and she will be brought up as soon as it’s over That amused me more than it probably should 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Hamhock said: Hogan having to lean into a Trade Unionist gimmick would have been funny - he was already calling everyone "brother" and still had the hard hat! Hulk Hogan was both a union member (Screen Actors Guild) and a union breaker (snitching out Ventura to Vince). Sort of an angle to the whole "Hogan stopped a WWF union" story that even Bix didn't think of trying to hammer down. I'd imagine that Brother Bruti was the first vice president for the International Brotherhood of Hulkamaniacs 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 If only Vince read "The Mask" we could have Big Head debut and have an epic feud with WALTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said: If only Vince read "The Mask" we could have Big Head debut and have an epic feud with WALTER. he'd accidentally watch the Jim Carrey movie instead. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 That whole Walter situation is really weird how they insisted on getting the Gunther Stark thing on the TV of their farm league. I could see them trying to get it on the main roster because Vince is directly hands on but even with all that backlash leading to time they went live they decided to just take off the last name? Forget about the moral aspect for a second this is the same company afraid to show blood, in most cases because of fear of turning off sponsors. That's also their excuse for heavily scripted promos because 'fear' of guys cutting an x rated Ric Flair promo and turning off sponsors. This is the same company that doesn't want to have people with the same first name or last name but they still insist on having Zoey Stark and Walter have the same last name. It's very intentional obviously but it's also weird how they are afraid of scaring off sponsors in most other situations like even though they decided to go with the Gunther name it's surprising they didn't atleast keep the Walter name for atleast another week instead of just insisting on going with a name change anyway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramo2653 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 23 hours ago, ka-to said: The same show was on Fight Network in the US. That is very good. The Impact that shows up on Fight Network is six months behind the AXS shows. I didn't remember Josh either, although I may not have ever watched it in English. I was at the Dome for it. I might have only watched the Asahi show that night. The initial batch of NJPW on AXS episodes were great. Featured match with an interview with one of the match participants which provided some insight into the match and personalities of the wrestlers, Mauro doing commentary with Barnett who provided nice context for the ring psychology and how the holds worked. Mauro was the only man that made a friggin Bad Luck Fale match sound entertaining. When Mauro got scooped up by WWE, they went with Barnett and JR and initially Barnett deferred to JR which led to some awkward commentary since they included more matches per episode and you knew JR wasn't aware of the roster like that which makes sense because they were just doing commentary in a studio in batches. Barnett eventually took on more of the lead role which made for better commentary IMO. Last group of commentators was whoever worked the English commentary for NJPW World so Kevin Kelly with a rotation of Rocky Romero, Chris Charlton and Don Callis at the time. They would dub in lines here and there to tie it into the separate broadcast but it was mostly just the NJPW World feed. With that said, I'd love to get Barnett and Mauro back in the booth for a show or 2. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 15 hours ago, twiztor said: he'd accidentally watch the Jim Carrey movie instead. Nah, he watched the Eric Stotlz/Cher movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 21 hours ago, sabremike said: Instead of nonsensical name calling and insults provide an argument that refutes what I said. The problem is that you can't. He infuriated the New Japan people with his crap "shoot" angle he didn't tell them about that took all the attention away from the planned angle of Yano stealing the belts. You can tell they were annoyed because New Japan never sent any of their guys over to work ROH shows ever again. Not coincidentally ROH pretty much never drew a good crowd by indie standards ever again. I was going to explain but if you want to live in your little bubble where you think the only reason people went to ROH shows was to see a couple random NJPW guys then you are too far gone to even try to rationalize with. But yea sure let me just jump on the bandwagon #Bubba killed ROH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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