NikoBaltimore Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Only time I saw her out of character was on UUDD and to be fair she seemed like a sweetheart. So I'm hoping despite knowing better that it's just her not properly reading the room and not something more insidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I guess she's doing her job if she's getting folks worked up despite being a sweet heart in real life, no? Anyway, been binge watching Finlay's SmackDown run on the WWE Network which I missed out on at the time as my interest in pro-wrestling at the time revolved around other pro-wrestling styles and promotions (mostly indys and Japanese pro-wrestling), but what an incredible run he had. Just endless great TV matches regardless of the opponent and he made everyone in the ring with him look like a world class talent. His WCW run wasn't as good as this run as he was booked differently/was on a different position on the card (before he went hardcore, which was still entertaining in it's own comedic way), but he had some quality 5 minute matches against the usual show stealing crew of Regal, Benoit, Eddie, Booker T, etc. Unfortunately WCW was so focused on WCW and the NWO (and rightfully so as that was the big draw) that Heenan and Schiavone spent 85% of his matches talking about that instead of what was going on in the ring, although Heenan would pop for Finlay's vicious offense at times. That ring apron trap spot was so neat. Wish someone would pick that up. The only thing I would take of WCW Finlay over WWE Finlay was the tombstone over the Celtic Cross as a finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Burgundy LaRue said: The Cardi B moment is a textbook example of how WWE fails to capitalize on pop culture. Cardi watched WWE around the Ruthless Aggression era. She doesn't watch now. The only current wrestler she's familiar with is Sasha. Someone apparently asked her about Sasha, and Cardi said she was a fan. That may be due to the Snoop connection, but no matter. it's a start. Plus her husband did "Ric Flair Drip" with Ric in the video. Maybe have Charlotte say something to Cardi, too. Instead, Lacey goes heel, calling Cardi nasty. Cardi sees it and reacts accordingly. Because it comes across as some random White woman being vaguely racist. Pro tip: White women should not call Black women 'nasty'. It rarely ends well. Apparently Trish Stratus also said something to Cardi that was well received. So it's not a question of big-upping wrestling. She'd probably work with WWE under the right circumstances. But bringing Lacey into the mix does nothing for anyone. It's funny to watch wrestlers try to do their gimmick to a celebrity who has no clue what's happening. And then see it go wrong. I think its less WWE trying and failing to capitalize on Cardi B watching and more Lacey being a dumbass trying to make something out of it on her own with someone she doesn't know at all. I like Lacey, but this was just moronic of her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I switched on Raw, saw Miz and Morrison doing in-ring promo, and immediately switched Raw off. What a great heel the Miz is, that he'd drive me to watch YouTube videos of people reading Reddit posts out loud, instead of wrestling. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 48 minutes ago, AxB said: I switched on Raw, saw Miz and Morrison doing in-ring promo, and immediately switched Raw off. What a great heel the Miz is, that he'd drive me to watch YouTube videos of people reading Reddit posts out loud, instead of wrestling. Wait are you my brother Derrick? He messaged me to say similar. I asked if he watched Raw and he said “tried to, saw Miz, turned it off, watched Smackdown clips on YouTube instead.” This is a single man, with nothing to do, during a lockdown, and he can’t even watch a minute of a 3 hour show. It’s damning! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Meanie Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, Ultimo Necro said: This is a single man, with nothing to do, during a lockdown, and he can’t even watch a minute of a 3 hour show. It’s damning! He's not the only one. (Minus the single part) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I hope Cardi does get involved at some point because I hate when a hot main stream celebrity has an interaction with one of their talents independently of them and WWE gives it attention but the celebrity for some reason or another doesn't follow up. It makes WWE seem so desperate for mainstream media attention and lame when the celebrity doesn't try go get a payoff of the interaction. Like when Chris Brown had that interaction with Punk and he basically blew them off by name dropping wrestlers that were around before he was old enough to walk. Cardi's husband is closely associated with Flair and he seems too be a big enough fan himself doing songs mentioning Scott 2 Hotty so it can happen. I think its more of a case of downplaying her familiarity with Wrestling because it isn't as socially relevant. Especially in the hip hop culture unless your a legend like Austin, Flair or Undertaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, The Green Meanie said: He's not the only one. (Minus the single part) #bragging 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Why do folks even bother watching if they dislike WWE currently so much? I'm currently checked out on their current programming, so I just check to see if the folks I'm interested are involved in matches and then just watch those. No way I'm spending 3 hours on a weekly basis on RAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I enjoy the ppvs. The in ring is usually good to great unless you really really really don't like the March participants. Even their worst ppv matches are generally filler and if you skip the skits the shows go reasonably fast. Mania not included 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Edwin said: Why do folks even bother watching if they dislike WWE currently so much? I'm currently checked out on their current programming, so I just check to see if the folks I'm interested are involved in matches and then just watch those. No way I'm spending 3 hours on a weekly basis on RAW. I thought the hate watching of WWE has mostly died around here. I notice the Raw and Smackdown threads aren't as long as they used to be. I always thought giving up WWE would be difficult, but was surprised how easy it was. I watched bits and pieces of last week's Raw, but that was only to catch any Brodie Lee tributes. Other than that, I couldn't force myself to sit through a WWE show at this point. Edited January 7, 2021 by Nice Guy Eddie 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I dont think I've seen a WWE live event since a random 2018 ppv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Edwin said: Why do folks even bother watching if they dislike WWE currently so much? I'm currently checked out on their current programming, so I just check to see if the folks I'm interested are involved in matches and then just watch those. No way I'm spending 3 hours on a weekly basis on RAW. There is still so much other wrestling out here outside of WWE that is easily accessible. Most of them the same quality work rate but easier to invest in. New Japan, AEW, MLW are easy to sink your teeth into. Why wait for WWE to somehow get good again. I have the network so I just live off the PPVS for my WWE viewing. Smackdown is pretty good right now though. Even Dragon Gate has english commentary I hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Modernity is for the birds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Matt D said: Modernity is for the birds. The Freebirds? Or do The Blackbirds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Birdman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Morganti said: Birdman? Koko B. Ware or his mother Tupper? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 25 minutes ago, Morganti said: Birdman? Duckman... 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Edwin said: Why do folks even bother watching if they dislike WWE currently so much? I'm currently checked out on their current programming, so I just check to see if the folks I'm interested are involved in matches and then just watch those. No way I'm spending 3 hours on a weekly basis on RAW. I do the same thing except I don’t watch any of the matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo-Yo's Roomie Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I continued watching for many years after I stopped enjoying it, and even then it was only really the shitty business practices/moral bankruptcy of the company that got me to stop. What kept me doing it for so long was primarily habit, the fact that the WWF was the promotion that got me into wrestling so it always felt like my 'home' promotion, the hope that it would get better, wanting to support the wrestlers I like/d (of which there are still many) and the fact that my real life wrestling fan friends watched so it was something for us to connect over. Oh, and because I hate myself. Can't forget that one. So I do get the hate watching, I get watching even though you know it's bad. It took me a long time to finally say enough is enough. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I can't even hate watch WWE anymore and haven't for a LONG time. AEW? I cant miss it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Matt D said: Modernity is for the birds. Entirely true. I know Matt's probably thinking foremost about all the French catch that was uncovered, which is good, but basically I am only watching random matches from the '70s and '80s and, spoiler alert, wrestling was never better than it was between about 1975 and 1989, at least stateside. Well, I'll give 1992 WCW and 1997 WWF exceptions to that statement, but that's about it. Edited January 7, 2021 by Smelly McUgly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 This isn't going to be a great analogy because I'm not a huge sports guy anymore and this could be wrong, but I'd argue a lot of the changes in Football or Basketball or Baseball games over the last 30 years are (in science terms) more physical changes. Different strategies. Different ways to make up teams. Different rules. Different ways for athletes to train. The games are still basically the same. The reactions are the same. A lot of the incentives are the same. With wrestling, it's completely different, a chemical change. The goal of a pro-wrestling match in 1985 is almost completely different than today and that drives the fan reactions which drives the way the match is wrestled and so on. The incentives are different. The audience is looking for different things and is, thus, catered to differently. The ways of drawing money are completely different. It's not necessarily better or worse (though obviously I have my own opinions there) but it's different. And it's a cycle so it feeds on itself as it becomes more different and further and further away from the sort of suspension of disbelief (wilful or not) that drove everything decades ago. It's tricky, because one element of wrestling and watching wrestling (though not the only element) is the unknown, not knowing who will win and who will lose and what the outcome is going to be and how it fits into the ongoing story, etc. That's one reason why I'm so into new footage, because I come into those matches not knowing the outcome a lot of times. There's also the social element. It's easier to follow something if a lot of people are following it with you and it feels like it matters to your every day social interactions. So I get why people are still into things. And i know plenty of people who think the quality of matches on WWE PPVs right now is still quite good, even if there are problems with the TV etc. But the genie is out of the bottle and it can never come back. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Harms Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Lacey Evans, Miz, Baron Corbin, all graduated with honours from the school of modern day WWE heels. The class consists mainly of watching old 2001 era x-pac segments going “wow look at that HEAT!” 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 23 hours ago, Edwin said: That ring apron trap spot was so neat. Wish someone would pick that up. Didn't Britt Baker or someone else recently steal that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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