Zimbra Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I'm glad to hear a worker complaining about this because it's one of my least favorite things about how wrestling is shot these days. 11 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Not that I disagree with you or Mr. From The Heavens at all, because I for sure agree, but least it's like three cuts instead of 300. Plus, they mix it up with jib shots, the overhead shot, and the corner post cam, so it's visually different at times. Not sure what it is really, but for some reason it just doesn't bother me as much as it did when I watched WWE (and to a lesser extent, TNA) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimbra Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I agree it's not the most egregious example, but I still think it sucks. As wrestling has moved from mostly a live medium to mostly a filmed medium they've had to develop a new visual language, which is understandable and mostly fine. But using, like, CW teen action shows a model instead of actual live sports really blows. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think it was Stallone on the set on Paradise Alley who put over wrestlers as doing stuff that stuntmen did but live and in one take. Not really true with "cinematic matches." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Mike Bennett: Release me, fed. Fed releases him a few months later. Mike Bennett after getting released: Fed bad for releasing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: Didn't Britt Baker or someone else recently steal that? Nikki Cross has used it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I'd have liked to have seen Mark Curtis take on some of these insurgents in D.C. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister TV Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Peck said: I'd have liked to have seen Mark Curtis take on some of these insurgents in D.C. Heenan recycled his prison jokes from the Boss Man-Mountie match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I think Lucha Underground was the best shot wresting promotion in recent memory 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, The Natural said: Nikki Cross has used it. I should slap myself for forgetting Nikki. Dammit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Dynamite Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zimbra said: I agree it's not the most egregious example, but I still think it sucks. As wrestling has moved from mostly a live medium to mostly a filmed medium they've had to develop a new visual language, which is understandable and mostly fine. But using, like, CW teen action shows a model instead of actual live sports really blows. Almost all American entertainment has an inferiority complex in regards to Hollywood. The top comments of every song on youtube are just people telling you what movie or show they heard it in. AAA video games scramble against better creative impulses so they can be more "cinematic". Pro wrestling's turn toward the cinematic is an understandable symptom of the post-kayfabe world we live in, but it doesn't always serve the artform. Hollywood movies cut on punches because nobody's really punching each other. Wrestlers do, or at least do so in a way meant to make a live crowd buy it. All you have to do is tape wrestlers wrestling. You don't have to cover for the fact that Chris Pratt is fake-punching a guy in a mo-cap suit.They're doing one-take theater in the round, mainly improvised, and usually being burned on all sides by the audience. I think about that Stallone quote all the time. I don't think we realize how good even completely average wrestlers are at this stuff and I wish the people producing would trust them more. Edited January 8, 2021 by John E. Dynamite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: I should slap myself for forgetting Nikki. Dammit. Don't do an Inoki ;). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 WWE's own video of WrestleMania intros from WrestleMania to WrestleMania XXXV. Some in full while some are edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 hours ago, John E. Dynamite said: Almost all American entertainment has an inferiority complex in regards to Hollywood. The top comments of every song on youtube are just people telling you what movie or show they heard it in. AAA video games scramble against better creative impulses so they can be more "cinematic". Pro wrestling's turn toward the cinematic is an understandable symptom of the post-kayfabe world we live in, but it doesn't always serve the artform. Hollywood movies cut on punches because nobody's really punching each other. Wrestlers do, or at least do so in a way meant to make a live crowd buy it. All you have to do is tape wrestlers wrestling. You don't have to cover for the fact that Chris Pratt is fake-punching a guy in a mo-cap suit.They're doing one-take theater in the round, mainly improvised, and usually being burned on all sides by the audience. I think about that Stallone quote all the time. I don't think we realize how good even completely average wrestlers are at this stuff and I wish the people producing would trust them more. This reminds me that back in the early 90's I used to get a lot of shit from my fellow class-mates for being a wrestling fan. One of them said that "They have to go an acting school before they are allowed to start wrestling". Of course I was like "Shut up, you meanie! They go to a WRESTLING school!" All in all, the dude wasn't exactly wrong when he said it, but maybe some actors could actually take some pointers from wrestlers, especially if they are going to perform on a stage. It's cool that Stallone seems to get it, but I'm sure he knows about not getting the proper respect he deserves, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: I should slap myself for forgetting Nikki. Dammit. And also hope that Nikki doesn't read this board and decide to do the slapping herself! I bet she has a mean slap, but it looks like she takes being forgotten pretty well, so you may be in the clear, anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 That is one thing AEW can improve on - Camera cuts. Not just the above in the middle of moves, but also I find a lot of the time they miss the crucial shot. This was apparent in the recent Abadon Shida match where Abadon was doing some terrifying facial expression and they just missed it by a second or cut away before it fully developed. They also missed the best angle when she did the Bray Wyatt/Exorcist bridge. As she is more character than wrestling ability at the moment, it's crucial they capture her highlights. I'm sure they will improve with time, but it can be frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share Posted January 8, 2021 From the most recent WON Quote Damien Priest was at one point scheduled to debut on the 1/1 Smackdown show. He was going to be put together with Owens to feud with Reigns & Uso. Owens felt the story made no sense because the pitch was for Owens to bring him in like he was his best friend backing him up, and Owens felt that Priest’s character makes no sense to Owens’ character to be a best friend. Owens apparently said that they should redo it where WWE officials book Priest as his tag team partner for his benefit because he keeps getting beaten up by Reigns & Uso and that WWE was doing it to protect him. But that didn’t work out and Reigns felt it wasn’t the time to introduce a new person and after that, it was pretty much agreed by both Reigns and Owens that it wasn’t the right time to introduce a random person to the main event mix that didn’t seem to fit. As of right now, and this could change, Priest is scheduled for the Raw roster and to debut at the end of the month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I'm not going to quote myself, but what I was trying to say at the top of the page and didn't quite get to, is that because of the change in incentive structure, it's not just that pro wrestling has changed or modernized since the mid 80s, or even that it's now a different genre within the medium. It's that it's a different medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 7:24 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said: I thought the hate watching of WWE has mostly died around here. I notice the Raw and Smackdown threads aren't as long as they used to be. I always thought giving up WWE would be difficult, but was surprised how easy it was. I watched bits and pieces of last week's Raw, but that was only to catch any Brodie Lee tributes. Other than that, I couldn't force myself to sit through a WWE show at this point. The most I'll do is flip on Raw on my other monitor if it's a Monday and I'm playing games. I usually wind up turning it back off. I don't think I've watched a full episode of SmackDown in forever and the only stuff I find interesting there is the Roman stuff. NXT I'm off and on with. I also cancelled my Network subscription awhile ago and can't think of the last PPV I watched. So most of the stuff I see from WWE is from YouTube or if I see something ridiculous mentioned on here and then I pull it up on YTTV to see if it was that ridiculous. WWE just isn't remotely fun or good. I'm basically down to watching AEW and NJPW. I tried watching Impact and it's just too low rent looking. I've had the same problem with ROH for a long time, but I'll watch it every once in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Loved Molly Holly since I first saw her as a 14 year old in WCW (1999) as Miss Madness/Mona. Good knowing that she's a sweetheart as a person outside of wrestling. Molly Holly for the WWE Hall of Fame 2021. Molly should be in already as should Christian and Cyndi Lauper. So wrong. Edited January 8, 2021 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) On 1/4/2021 at 10:55 PM, AxB said: Hide contents NSFW That's hilarious. YEARS ago, I photoshopped that DVD cover with dick-heads just barely peaking out on the top of the banner. It was a different time back then here on the board. On 1/5/2021 at 9:28 AM, Casey said: To be fair - they also had another documentary series about how awesome and diverse pro wrestling is and can be (The Wrestlers, hosted by Fucked Up's Damian Abraham). SUCH a great show. I prefer it to "Dark Side of the Ring" and hope it comes back. On 1/6/2021 at 7:59 PM, Wyld Samurai said: I dont think I've seen a WWE live event since a random 2018 ppv. I haven't watched WWE since January 2017 when the McMahons were photographed in the Oval Office smiling like a bunch of bumpkins who'd finally made it to the big city. Not that those things are related, no sir. 18 hours ago, odessasteps said: I think it was Stallone on the set on Paradise Alley who put over wrestlers as doing stuff that stuntmen did but live and in one take. Not really true with "cinematic matches." I read the same story the other day but it was said to have happened during the filming of Rocky 3, which sounds right as post-Rocky Stallone at the height of his fame and power dressing down the crew for making fun of a wrestler makes more sense than Paradise Alley Stallone fresh off that porno having the power to give anyone a hard time. Edited January 8, 2021 by Technico Support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) On the subject on wrestling we watch. For me it's WWE, NJPW and AEW. Can't remember the last time I watched a WWE TV show from beginning to end. I just seek out matches of my favourites and from WOM here. I'm thankful for AEW and NJPW. WWE is so frustrating with such a loaded talented roster having to fight uphill against bad and stale booking. That's not good shit, pal. Edited January 8, 2021 by The Natural 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 RE: Rippa’s post about KO / Priest. Its probably for the best that the angle was squished. Being Kevin Owens best friend rarely works out in storyline terms!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 6:24 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said: I thought the hate watching of WWE has mostly died around here. I notice the Raw and Smackdown threads aren't as long as they used to be. Because many of us who talked about WWE regularly were called sheeple who stay on our knees for Vince. And constantly questioned if we know any other wrestling exists. At some point, someone like me had to take a break from the berating. It's improved based on what I've seen lately, and that's great. But some around here were all in on questioning others' viewing habits and opinions for a while. It's all wresting. And 95% of it is stupid and geeky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said: Because many of us who talked about WWE regularly were called sheeple who stay on our knees for Vince. And constantly questioned if we know any other wrestling exists. At some point, someone like me had to take a break from the berating. It's improved based on what I've seen lately, and that's great. But some around here were all in on questioning others' viewing habits and opinions for a while. It's all wresting. And 95% of it is stupid and geeky. If I contributed to that in any way, please accept my apology. As a now-adult WCW viewer, I've been waiting a very long time for a viable alternative to WWE, and sometimes it can be a real challenge not to basically prosthelytize about AEW after having watched WWA, XWF, TNA, WSX etc. fail over the years. Edited January 8, 2021 by Zakk_Sabbath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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