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20 hours ago, RIPPA said:

While I was answering - it made me think of this

And how I really need to figure out another one

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That thread was from 2014 for the sake of Sasuke.

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16 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said:

Yes, but for him to go from main eventer to Roman's lackey (and yes, that's exactly what he'd be perceived as) would be a bad step back in his career. 

Angle could always trade one or both of them to Smackdown. Especially if they incur the wrath of the Monster In The Bank. Promise Braun a title shot if he keeps his hands off Roman between now and then while also forcing him to wreck shit on somebody else's show if he wants to get the other little weasels back.

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Angle is an honorary Shield member though. .

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Saturday mornings for me. My first WWF memories are Million Dollar Man stuffing dollar bills in dudes mouths and the Mega Powers.

My first WCW memories are highlights of the Halloween Havoc main event between Sting, Flair, Funk and Muta.

I watched some AWA also around that time and later Global on ESPN every afternoon.

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I distinctly remember watching PPVs on my friends descrambler and playing WWF Royal Rumble on SNES.  So a long ass time I have been a fan.

 

My niece and nephew are also fans and they are 10/8

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23 minutes ago, Infinit said:

Angle is an honorary Shield member though. .

Captain's Club > Shield

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19 hours ago, The Green Meanie said:

I'm glad this topic came up because it correlates to a question I thought of the other day:

I love tag team wrestling. I think I prefer it to regular one on one matches, possibly in part due to growing up watching tag team wrestling in it's heyday of the late 80's-early 90's.

Do you personally prefer set tag teams (tag team specialists) or do you prefer to have two singles stars be paired up?

Adversely, do you like it more when a tag team gets split up and turned into singles or when singles get turned into tag team specialists?

It's case by case for me.

Mostly I prefer specialist tag teams but every now and then you get teams like The Bar who are just the absolute best. I think it can save a lot of guys in the midcard - Matt & Bray for example - but others get hurt by it. Apollo Crews should be in the mix for the IC title right now IMO but he is stuck in Titus Worldwide.

Then we have had teams like The Shield and New Day as a collective of singles wrestlers that became so much more than the sum of their parts.

I think for me, I like tag teams to debut as tag teams but if you have a couple of midcarders with no direction and there is a connection that can be made and a storyline that sees them team up for the mid-long term then go for it.

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My first memories are being at my grandparents house and seeing a Haystacks Calhoun 2 vs 1 squash match and a Fabulous Moolah match.

Now get off my lawn.

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I know my parents took me to the first WWF show in my birthplace of Topeka, KS, when I was, I believe, 4 years old. I vaguely remember seeing hype for WrestleMania 4, and that age 7, I skipped trick-or-treating to attend a Saturday Night's Main Event taping on Halloween night. It was the one and only time I got to see Hulk Hogan, Andre The Giant, and Ultimate Warrior all wrestle live. Stayed a fan my whole life, and tried to pass it down to my 4 kids, but only 2 have gotten into it so far.

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Well, like I said, I've been into this since I was 5. I still don't remember how or why I watched it because neither of my parents liked wrestling. I must have liked it enough because my dad took me to WM 3. I really wonder if it was the toys. Big John Studd was the first I remember having so maybe that was it. I also remember having the thumb wrestlers. Anyway, that has to be it. Someone probably got me some LJN figures for a birthday and then that was it for me.

It could also be that my cousin who was 3 years older than me got me into it. His aunt also worked at the Notre Dame JACC box office and always got us tickets to house shows.

It's just weird to have liked something for 32 years now and something like wrestling where fans historically fall off. The thing that really makes me feel old are the people who say that they got into wrestling with the attitude era when they were like 10. That's always going to be a mind fuck. 

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I got into wrestling on the tail of the MTV/WWF/A-Team cross over.  

It took me awhile to figure out just HOW to see the good matches they’d go on about on the Saturday shows.  So for me, the Steamboat/Savage Match was pretty much the first big good match I’d ever seen.  

These days I hunt down a lot of the televised house shows from MSG or NESN  etc.  You’ll wade through a lot of bullshit.  But the match at the Maple Leaf made it worth it.  

Side note:  I also found a Honky/Savage IC title match with a baby face Honky.  It was decent.  But I couldn’t understand what I was watching like it was Opposite Day.

 

 

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So either our national nightmare is over and Coach is gone (even temporarily) from RAW or they are trying to reenact the baseball announcers scene in the Naked Gun movies (2 I think) and just have as many as possible 

 

 

 

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Coachman misses Raw every once in a while to do a show on the Golf Channel so I don't think he's gone.

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Per the WON, the WWE are aggressively pursuing Shane Strickland, Fenix, and Pentagon. 

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We talked about it a few pages ago, but yeah, at least in Penta and Fenix's cases, it was legit but probably legally can't happen anyway.

Dave's Lucha Underground reporting is wrong a good 75% of the time but people were telling me shit and nobody tells me shit.

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This is the exact WON blurb

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WWE is becoming very aggressive when it comes to taking talent off the board. It’s real clear with All In and Madison Square Garden that the competition, and there really is no competition, is getting stronger than they’d like, just the idea there could be opposition not only in MSG, but also potentially do big business there. Besides Fenix & Pentagon Jr., Shane Strickland is another name they are looking at and will be coming in for a future look. They did a 180 on Matt Riddle for that reason. Pentagon Jr. and Fenix have told promoters who they’ve booked dates for in 2019 that those dates are in question. A big key is going to be ticket sales for MSG. If ROH/NJPW sells out immediately, the market value of the key guys goes way up because WWE will want those guys on its Barclays Center show. Unless the first day sales bombed, and that didn’t happen, the reality is that there will be 100,000 wrestling fans in New York that night and there are two shows that are going head-to-head, and a number of key guys who could do MSG that are not today under contract that far in advance

 

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WWE could literally just buy every major indy in the country as well as WWN, ROH and LU outright in the next week if they wanted to. They have the money. Then they'd just gobble up any talent they want. Anything else they could buy too.

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If they're so fucking shook over competition, maybe, oh, I don't know, PUT ON BETTER SHOWS?!? No, clearly the answer is to keep the writing and creative as shitty as humanly possible, but just use the gravitational pull of WWE to pull in anyone worth a shit to waste them too. 

Competition wouldn't even fucking matter if Raw were consistently good, if SDL were consistently good, and if the PPVs meant anything. Instead, SDL is barely watchable most weeks, 30 minutes of Raw is all that's watchable out of 3 fucking hours, and all of the PPVs suck.

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1 hour ago, Craig H said:

It's just weird to have liked something for 32 years now and something like wrestling where fans historically fall off. The thing that really makes me feel old are the people who say that they got into wrestling with the attitude era when they were like 10. That's always going to be a mind fuck. 

You read my mind. 

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I don't begrudge anyone taking Vince's money in an industry where careers and livelihoods are so volatile and precarious, but it just plain ole sucks that the most likely endgame of the indie/overseas boom of the last few years is WWE-- now with unlimited TV deal cash reserves and still exactly zero intention of doing anything novel with so much talent--just continuously warehousing the cream as it rises to the top and throttling competition forever.

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MGM is bigger than WWE, LU is MGM property, and MGM will cockblock contracts and fight as much as possible (see Prince Puma/Ricochet)

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If you want to be optimistic (and I do, though this is rosier than what I actually believe): WWE starting its own super indie and going on a perpetual signing spree has sorta coincided with the New Japan/indie boom, perhaps contributes to that success via overall buzz, and that trend line is still pointing up. With the usual caveats regarding correlation and causation, I might suggest WWE would have an easier time killing those promotions by making them deal with success, inflating salaries, etc. As is, they get a self-replenishing supply of mostly younger, cheaper, ambitious talent--or are forced to use established talent in new ways. Who knows if Omega really happens if Styles sticks around, for instance? (Granted: Of course it's hard to keep discovering and pushing the right guys, and the margin for error isn't huge in most cases.)

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I swear I heard Miz or Bryan talk about that moment in an interview. Maybe it was one of Bryan's interviews shortly after he returned, but one of them definitely talked about how Miz was pissed, he was going to let loose on the mic and vent his frustrations, and Bryan was warned in advance that no offense was meant.

I'm not imagining that an interview where that was discussed happened, right?

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