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    Puroresu General Discussion for 2019

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    Puroresu General Discussion for 2019

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    All Elite Wrestling 2019

    There's an interview with Ibushi coming out tomorrow where he seems to reiterate that he's full-time with New Japan for two years, and we'll probably get some insight about his reasons. I do suspect the concussion and his age combined to have something to do with it. He probably got some strong promises regarding belts and pushes too, and I also wonder if New Japan took a lot of the money they were planning on giving Kenny, Jericho, and the Bucks, and gave it to him. I know there's always been the internet rumor that his parents are wealthy and/or he just doesn't care about money that much, but... well, you don't care until you do. (If I had to guess, it's all three: New Japan offered him a big raise, a big push, and Ibushi, realizing he's only got a few years to really achieve at the level his talent deserves, decided now was the time.)
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    Elimination Chamber IX - 2/17/2019

    Haku, Vader, Saito, etc. Wrestling fans love cop fighters.
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    Elimination Chamber IX - 2/17/2019

    I think he's dead wrong about this, honestly. Becky is cleverer than Ronda, spends every waking moment basically tweeting the fact, and just got to demonstrate the point. (She's also injured, so attempting a face-to-face attack would just be dumb.) And now, feeling aggrieved, Ronda will demand to wrestle Becky, whereas she wouldn't be as angry about being attacked more honorably. It was booked with all that in mind, and got the reaction they must have wanted.
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    FEBRUARY 2019 WRESTLING GIFS

    Honestly, I think you're somewhat arguing with people who aren't posting here. Meltzer isn't around, and I don't think he articulates his tastes well at all anyway. No one (here, now) is suggesting Hogan's hulk-up routine didn't work, wasn't "good", etc. It was just a very different presentation. Hogan no-sold with cartoonish theatricality, while Akiyama grimaces through strikes that are very much actually hitting him; but again, that's a difference of context/genre, not of performer. I think that's the other point here: Akiyama wasn't a famous no-seller; this is him deploying a very well established trope in Japanese wrestling. You see it when vets wrestle newbies, and/or when heavies wrestle juniors. This happens to be an example of both. So, Akiyama and KENTA here are performing within the established rules of their universe, speaking a language the fans know and understand. Rollins, I would suggest, sometimes no-sells in a way that stands out from the established fiction taking place around him. The Force works in Star Wars, but not Trek. That kind of thing.
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    FEBRUARY 2019 WRESTLING GIFS

    It's an established narrative beat along career trajectories in Japanese wrestling. It happened to Akiyama when he was young; and now that he's hardened by experience and age, he can shrug off KENTA's offense. As KENTA gets better and older, he hits harder, and Akiyama (and others) react accordingly. It's a way of showing the progression of young talent. Which isn't to say anyone should or shouldn't like it, just that it's a decades-old tool that's proven pretty effective for Japanese audiences. There are other differences between Rollins, Hogan, and this--you could say the size difference makes it more believable, that Akiyama's expression shows struggle, and is thus selling of a kind--but mostly I think people here find no-selling effective when it fits the established language of a match/promotion. Nobody could really argue it didn't work when Hogan did it; I think you could suggest Rollins is too inconsistent with what he sells and when to impart as much meaning on his sequences.
  8. “Edge is responsible for a generation of table and ladder bumps, which is good; Kobashi/Misawa are responsible for a generation of vertical-drop suplexes, which is bad; and Bryan is in no way responsible for junior workrate style and indie underdog narratives having essentially taken over the wrestling world, for better or worse” seems an impossible group of ideas to hold at once, and yet this thread exists.
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    Puroresu General Discussion for 2019

    It’s hard to say exactly, because you have to think New Japan never figured Styles for a long-term answer, so they certainly had Omega positioned to take the mantle. I think that’s the primary lesson here: it’s not that there’s one plan, so much as an ideal plan with lots of viable contingencies. That said, I feel like most people at the time thought Kenny mostly got AJ’s push. Probably some things were different, but the main thrust—G1 to the Dome—was similar. Kenny has been really vague when asked about this in interviews though, so it’s hard to say. My guess is everyone thought for a while that Styles was going to go, so there wasn’t exactly a rush replacement, so much as a broad template that either could fit in. Speaking of Kenny: DDT has a big show in Sumo Hall Sunday, and twitter, noting that Kenny is in Tokyo for EVO, is working itself into a collective shoot. Unless they’re all just right. I’m not sure what these words mean all together, honestly. I do know Kenny setting up a match at DDT’s Mania weekend show would be big news, and something for him to do between now and Double or Nothing. It would also be one way to upstage New Japan running MSG, for better or worse. (I don’t think this is happening, but now that I’ve mentioned it I can pretend to be right either way.)
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    All Elite Wrestling 2019

    Kenny doing the ESPN sign-off is a little surreal, but I imagine doing more of this kind of thing was a big part of signing with AEW. We know that New Japan’s schedule didn’t leave him with as much free time as he wanted, and of course WWE’s is much more arduous. What AEW’s looks like, once a weekly TV show gets started, we still don’t know—but I think constant house shows are very unlikely.
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    Raw Is JUSTICE FOR THE REVIVAL - 2/11/2019

    The difference is, they’re going to declare Charlotte the greatest womens wrestler ever before she’s retired—not anyone else on the roster—and they want every accolade possible to support that, and every possible “moment” to add to the video packages celebrating the fact. I don’t think this is being cynical or conspiratorial, and I think, in a vacuum, that Charlotte improves both the build and the match. But I also think the booking towards legacy-making and around moment-manufacturing turns a lot of people off, and people detect that here.
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    All Elite Wrestling 2019

    It's funny you mention this, because he also claims to Jericho that his dad wouldn't buy him wrestling tapes*, so he had to make himself a valuable part of the trader community with essentially no money, based mostly around his nascent HTML skills. I'm not sure I believe this, but yeah, the depths of his geekery are clear. He rattles off ECW dates, laments Buddy Landel not being a bigger star, praises the Rhodes/Shield tag, talks about tracking down WCW C-show footage on sketchy streaming sites, etc. There is a non zero chance he's reading this right now. Hi, Tony. *Don't feel too bad for him, though. His dad did buy Tony an ECW ticket and fly him there on a private jet for getting into a prestigious junior high.
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    All Elite Wrestling 2019

    Tony Khan was on Jericho's podcast. I don't think there was anything really headline worthy, but: -He did emphasize once again the importance of wins/losses (no talk of tracking records), a live sports presentation, and high production values. -He wanted to emphasize that this isn't just indulging his hobby, and he had to pitch his dad on why this was a viable business venture; to that end, they aren't ever going to sign everyone. The plan is to only sign people they have plans for, and not stockpile talent. -That said, the roster isn't done. There are signed/agreed-to wrestlers who aren't announced yet, and they're still looking. But he's already said no to suggestions, and will have to keep doing so in the future. -In general, they're more interested in being early on a talent than late. "Fresh" is the idea. -He really emphasized that the women's roster will look to prioritize workrate. -When speculating on how to use a roster, the hypothetical tv show length discussed was two hours. Maybe nothing. Maybe not. -He name drops WAR, Michinoku Pro, Memphis, Mid South, and of course the more famous promotions, just in case we doubt his wrestling nerd credentials. Since he mentions the Midnights and Jim Cornette as all-time favorites, people will inevitably ask Cornette whether he'll get involved and start imagining him managing the Revival. I'm going to do this too. I'm sorry. -Jericho repeats that he'd never watched Kenny before agreeing to wrestle him, but asked AJ, Finn, and Gallows/Anderson, who vouched that he was amazing. -Jericho says Bobby Eaton is the only guy he's ever wrestled who can call a match spot-by-spot and have it work. -The plan for this year is to run multiple successful PPVs, and get the TV show going. -The five year plan is more abstract. Tony wants to be stable, profitable, and trusted as an owner/promoter. He specifically says he wants it to be known that he never lied to Cody, Jericho, The Bucks, etc. Hopefully people will think it's a great place to work and grow as performers, and even if they leave/it doesn't work out, that they were given a fair shot. Taken together, he certainly seems enthusiastic. Nothing to really shift opinions, though.
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    Raw Is JUSTICE FOR THE REVIVAL - 2/11/2019

    Taste is all variable and viable, and preferring over the top characters is common enough anyway. I think people generally—and me specifically—were quibbling, not just because we like their matches, but because the arguments seem a bit goalpost shifty. They were too short until they weren’t; their matches weren’t good enough until they were; the “rehearsal” thing mattered until it didn’t; now they lack character and “it” and the matches don’t matter much. Which is a fine opinion to have. I do think it’s noteworthy that they get dead crowds into their matches, though, so people do seem to connect. And if everyone else on the roster could have matches of a similar quality, it’s hard to figure why they mostly don’t.
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