odessasteps Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Two torn rotator cuffs will limit the ska dancing. 1
nate Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Dolfan in NYC said: Jesus Harold Christ, Lady Bearica. O_o 1
JonnyLaw Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Matt D said: He'll be a great heel manger for the future Big Cass-es of the world. I think he could be great in the CM Punk-esque commentator role. 2
A Guy Named Tracy Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 3:39 PM, Victator said: The kits can tell if there was forceful entry. No, the kits cannot make that distinction. The SANE nurse would document any tearing or contusions during the exam, but that would inevitably lead to a claim of consensual rough sex. I don’t recall the specifics in this case, but many times sexual assault victims don’t immediately report the crime. By the time they report the assault, they’ve lost some of the potential evidence by showering, doing laundry, etc. Did the victim have a SANE exam in this case? 1
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Can't say I've ever seen a Nakamura match that I enjoyed. Balor few and far between. Coming around to the Undisputed Era. Seth Rollins does absolutely nothing for me at all.
SirSmUgly Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Do y'all still love bland-ass Drew MacIntyre or no? EDIT: To clear up confusion, that's the guy everyone likes who I don't get. His look is bland, he can't really talk much, and I can't think of one match I've seen him in whether WWE, TNA, or the random British promotions that I've watched on YouTube where I can remember anything about a performance that he did. 2 1
Horangi Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 I might catch a bit of flack for this, but the one guy I never got was CM Punk. And I can't even explain why. Maybe I could just never make a connection to him or his work? I can see why people like him and acknowledge some great matches he had (I.e. Cena at Night of Champions) but there's just something unexplainable why I just don't like/get him. I just don't enjoy his work all that much. 1
JohnnyJ Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: Can't say I've ever seen a Nakamura match that I enjoyed. Balor few and far between. Coming around to the Undisputed Era. Seth Rollins does absolutely nothing for me at all. This basically describes my disconnect with current WWE. There are all these acts that other people are into that I just don't enjoy. For all the outsider crap, Punk had the gift of creating moments and making things feel important. As a worker he's sloppy and formulaic. 1
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Its probably unfair to the specific workers, but it doesn't help when every guy does their same signature spots in the same set up every night in every match, the TV matches have the same format that you can set your watch to. Some guys have the right pacing, variety of moveset, and ability to maintain interest to either thrive in that environment or remain tolerable. Most don't, irrespective of their qualifications in other environments. It's annoying that its become an aspect of storytelling that doing anything outside of that paradigm is noteworthy, or that it requires weeks of storytelling to justify why this match isn't laid out like every other. Speaking of which, I also don't miss Dean Ambrose at all. 2 1
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 I don't mind the dives so much. It's just watching him work 20 minutes, and in the end only the OUT OF NOWHERE 30 seconds before the finish is what matters. There's no psychological conditioning that makes people believe that a move is high risk, as it doesn't take any toll on the guy doing it (and doing it every other match), it doesn't lead to a pinfall ever, the guy receiving it doesn't sell it at all, and doesn't factor into the finish. HHH/Rollins from Mania was his best match because they worked around those limitations in his work so well. 3
Go2Sleep Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said: I don't mind the dives so much. It's just watching him work 20 minutes, and in the end only the OUT OF NOWHERE 30 seconds before the finish is what matters. Like you said earlier, I think this criticism applies to just about anyone who works in WWE now, though. Even Daniel Bryan matches are like that now.
piranesi Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 At this point the dive is essentially a taunt rather than a move, the equivalent of knocking Bobby Heenan off the apron for a big pop and then everyone gets up and goes back to where they were. 4 1 1
Jenalysis Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Horangi said: I might catch a bit of flack for this, but the one guy I never got was CM Punk. And I can't even explain why. Maybe I could just never make a connection to him or his work? I can see why people like him and acknowledge some great matches he had (I.e. Cena at Night of Champions) but there's just something unexplainable why I just don't like/get him. I just don't enjoy his work all that much. Same way in regards to his in-ring. To me he was a poor man's Piper- great on the mic, bad in the ring. 1
Ryan Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 Wow, there's a lot of not liking of very talented individuals on here. Except Kurt Angle, he has had no clue what selling of any kind, limb, fatigue, whatever you want, is for mostly his entire career. Which can work in certain styles requiring sprints, but it's in companies and against guys where it doesn't necessarily make it the best all the time. He would have been fairly awesome in 1997 Michinoku Pro...
The Natural Posted June 22, 2018 Author Posted June 22, 2018 Poor Sami Zayn tearing both rotator cuffs. Fuckk. I remember Sami tore one as he made his entrance for his WWE main roster debut against John Cena in 2015. 2
The Natural Posted June 22, 2018 Author Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 2:32 AM, mattdangerously said: Honestly, everyone here can probably name someone that everyone else loves, but that we just don't "get". For me, it's Toshiaki Kawada. Hey, if you can't work a great match without kicking the shit out of your opponent, then you can't work a great match. (Come at me, bro.) Low-Ki for me even before bridges burnt. 1
JonnyLaw Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 7 hours ago, RolandTHTG said: Its probably unfair to the specific workers, but it doesn't help when every guy does their same signature spots in the same set up every night in every match, the TV matches have the same format that you can set your watch to. Some guys have the right pacing, variety of moveset, and ability to maintain interest to either thrive in that environment or remain tolerable. Most don't, irrespective of their qualifications in other environments. This reminds me of watching Zayn/Nakamura and thinking “Wow, Nakamura has all of his WWE signature moves ready to go. Those won’t get old quick at all.”
joseph2112 Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 I'm not trying to be hipster/anti-hipster or whatever it is this week but for me it's Reigns. Most of it really goes back to what has been discussed above because of WWE limitations, the character is generic and I see people writing that he's so good it's basically a foregone conclusion his matches are going to be great. I watch them and they are , fine maybe? 1
Wyld Samurai Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 10 hours ago, RolandTHTG said: Its probably unfair to the specific workers, but it doesn't help when every guy does their same signature spots in the same set up every night in every match, the TV matches have the same format that you can set your watch to. Some guys have the right pacing, variety of moveset, and ability to maintain interest to either thrive in that environment or remain tolerable. Most don't, irrespective of their qualifications in other environments. It's annoying that its become an aspect of storytelling that doing anything outside of that paradigm is noteworthy, or that it requires weeks of storytelling to justify why this match isn't laid out like every other. Speaking of which, I also don't miss Dean Ambrose at all. This nails it. It's what I absolutely camt stand the most about the modern product. I have to blame Austin for this with his hammering in his adage of "get your shit in!". It's bullshit, predictable, and makes the matches pointless. It's ok for a person to have a Bret Hart-rsque 5 Moves of Doom... Because those are setup moves... But working the same spots into every match? That is so contrived. 2 1
OSJ Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: This nails it. It's what I absolutely camt stand the most about the modern product. I have to blame Austin for this with his hammering in his adage of "get your shit in!". It's bullshit, predictable, and makes the matches pointless. It's ok for a person to have a Bret Hart-rsque 5 Moves of Doom... Because those are setup moves... But working the same spots into every match? That is so contrived. The thing is Bret was a master of making his 5 Moves of Doom mean something in the context of telling a story in the ring. That is so far removed from the philosophy of "get all your moves in" as to be apples and oranges in comparison. You are spot on that the current "get your shit in" makes everything pointless. It's like when ECW killed the chairshot as an effective weapon. When you have two guys stand there and bash each other over the head with a metal chair for five minutes, it no longer means anything. The dive out of the ring was jumping the shark when only lucha guys did it, now everyone seems to feel the need to do so. Fuck that, it was a stupid spot when the lucha guys did it as everyone rolled around on the floor for a minute and then were just fine, it's worse now. 1
BurningBeard Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: This nails it. It's what I absolutely camt stand the most about the modern product. I have to blame Austin for this with his hammering in his adage of "get your shit in!". It's bullshit, predictable, and makes the matches pointless. It's ok for a person to have a Bret Hart-rsque 5 Moves of Doom... Because those are setup moves... But working the same spots into every match? That is so contrived. They're signature spots. That's part of how you get over... 1
MORELOCK Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: I have to blame Austin for this with his hammering in his adage of "get your shit in!" Generally agree with your point, but do not understand or agree with laying blame at Austin's feet. He's clearly not in a position to influence WWE match layouts and is one of the highest-profile critics of current WWE product.
Godfrey Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 47 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: It's ok for a person to have a Bret Hart-rsque 5 Moves of Doom... Because those are setup moves... But working the same spots into every match? That is so contrived. One of the main reasons I enjoy Pete Dunne is because, like Bret, he does his signature moves (including the finger break, which I normally hate) but they’re worked into the story he’s telling. If you watch his last few singles matches on NXT you’ll see a different application of the same moves every time, even if it’s only a subtle difference. That’s what separates a good wrestler from great. Seth Rollins is a phenomenal performer and an amazing athlete, but he’s just a good wrestler because I can’t remember an individual match he’s had in a long time. They all blur together. 2 3
RIShane Posted June 22, 2018 Posted June 22, 2018 11 hours ago, The Natural said: Poor Sami Zayn tearing both rotator cuffs. Fuckk. I remember Sami tore one as he made his entrance for his WWE main roster debut against John Cena in 2015. And while it was kind of WWE to give him a promo-heavy feud that required little wrestling, they couldn't have given him a crappier one. 3
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