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  1. I don't think there's really a good candidate for a feud-culminating grudge match, though. The ship has sailed (so to speak) for Gargano/Ciampa. Gargano/Balor and Kai/Knox won't have that kind of heat and those are the biggest two feuds simmering in NXT now. Keith Lee or Rhea Ripley winning a belt there is still the best play, but I don't think you want both on the same show. I think the Ripley chase has more legs since she can feud with Kai to build both women's feuds. Lee should take the belt in a squash next week, then retain in a longer match at TO: Portland. Then he can defend against Ciampa for something fresh at Tampa.
  2. Even though Shawn's second run gets a lot of flak, he was pretty consistently one of the most over guys on the roster and always had the crowd engaged in his matches. He knew his audience, and most criticisms you'd make of him would be more appropriately directed at WWE style in general. His comeback match with HHH, the Cena matches in 07, the 08 Jericho feud, the Flair retirement match, and the Taker matches were all excellent story-wise. He had some low-key good stuff with Batista and Kennedy too. I don't think I'd have him in the all-time convo either for the negatives you mentioned, but I'd definitely nominate him over Orton for the discussion. I've always said HHH has the biggest gap between his best and worst matches of any wrestler. He's also definitely better in gimmick matches than regular ones. Even with the exact same opponent, it's crazy how disparate his matches could be. Compare the Unsanctioned match with Shawn to the HIAC, or the LMS with Orton to WM 25. Tough to top Kobashi for me. He had the most range from ace to underdog, was Scott-Hall-esqe in making his large frame look gigantic or smaller depending on the situation, and had the most sympathetic connections to his lower-ranked partners (Kikuchi, KENTA, Shiosaki). To me, there's a lot more variety in Kobashi's great matches than Kawada, or even Misawa who definitely got more experimental from 99 on.
  3. I wouldn't put Orton down as an all-timer. He's more HHH-level, in the sense that he's better than he generally gets credit for and works smarter than average for WWE style. Given the length of his career and level of exposure, he's been in his share of classics, but the haters have plenty of ammo too. In terms of primarily WWE main eventers, I'd put him behind Shawn and Taker, and well behind Foley and Austin.
  4. I think there's a weird divide between the main event scene and midcard in AEW. Like the ME scene is a NJ/Crockett fusion and the midcard is total Lucha Underground. Most of the segments work well on their own, but it's bit jarring going back and forth between Jericho and Cody fire promos and Kris Statlander the alien or whatever the hell Brandi and Kong are doing. But god damn, did Luchasaurus really bridge the gap there. I enjoy watching Dynamite every week, but I do hope they smooth that stuff out and let the crazy gimmicks become a little more grounded. I actually think the Dark Order's internet radicalization was a good step toward that. Made everything about their hokey gimmick make a lot more sense and actually felt "dark" with the cult aspects instead of 2 dudes with a bunch of jobbers in masks popping up occasionally.
  5. TLC and Hell in a Cell are longer-running ppvs than King of the Ring.
  6. I don't think it's necessary or worthwhile to try to replace Bobby Fish in UE. If you did, you'd want someone like Luke Menzies or Arturo Ruas. Someone with decent heel striking/grappling offense and could use something to do on a crowded show, but wouldn't overshadow the group with name value. I just think the group has run its course, and letting the wear and tear of 3 guys trying to defend 4 belts lead to its natural end is the best course of action. Cole and Strong could use a Raw/SD run to freshen up. KoR would be fine on any show, but I think there's still a lot of untapped potential with an NXT singles run for him.
  7. Walter/Bate is definitely a late entrant. I half-jokingly call it the most 90s AJ match since 1997. I honestly expect it to age better than everything sans Cena/Lesnar listed in this thread.
  8. Lee/Dijak should've totally won the belts here, but if there's a silver lining between that and the Fish injury, I actually think the Roddy/KoR combo is better than ReDragon on the whole. I'm glad we'll get more matches with that pairing. Dakota turning was much needed. Her offense works really well as a heel despite the fact she's giving up size to most of her opponents. I'm not as crazy about Candice, but I'm glad they protected her with a DQ, and Rhea looked badass coming to save the day. Not all that excited about Finn being in the title picture. Hopefully Gargano comes back and both stay away from the belt. Man who came back from neck surgery vs. the guy who's life goal is to invent new ways to hit a flipping pile driver has plenty of intrigue on its own.
  9. Mick Foley deserves a shout. It helps that he was willing to take ridiculous bumps and potato shots, but it's hard to think of anyone who could generate sympathy and make his opponent look like a tough bastard better than Foley. He really made it feel like you had to earn a win against him, despite the fact that he lost most of his high-profile matches. Eddie and Regal would be my picks if you're looking for more technical psychology to combine with great story-telling mannerisms and facial expressions, with Bryan being their spiritual successor until about 2015 when he went full WWE. Currently, I find the NXT UK guys to be the best in this regard. Pete Dunne usually has excellent technical storytelling and uses his finger-bending offense to create some smart sequences. Tyler Bate is wonderful sympathetic babyface. Walter seems like someone who watched every big 90s AJPW match and took the right things away from it. On the US side, the Revival had a hell of a run for a couple years too, but I don't know if that short peak gets them into all-time discussion.
  10. I'm sure it's been said, but having people that were fighting each other in Wargames last night on the same team tonight was beyond dumb, even by WWE's "brand loyalty above all once a year" standards. That said, the women's elimination match was alright in a vacuum. The finishing stretch was good, and it was good to see Sasha do something. If I wasn't so burned out on triple threats after this weekend, I probably would've liked the secondary title match more. The NXT title match was fine, even if the wrong guy won. I will admit, though, I admire Adam Cole's dedication to turn the Canadian Destroyer into his own personal Diamond Cutter. The other two title matches felt like B-show matches. It's kinda bad when Adam Cole is in the most serious championship match, but the other choices are Bray Wyatt wrestling in red lighting or Brock beating up Rey and his son at the same time. The Men's elimination was fun throughout and other than Walter going out too early (could've just used Jackson Riker if they wanted to do that script), nothing felt out of place. For a guy who's been floundering for over a year, Keith Lee has looked like the next big thing for the last month. Ciampa and Riddle looked good too, and we totally need that Riddle/Gable match. The women's match was the wrong choice to main event for once. Bayley seemed pretty off and Shayna is pretty much NXT Brock Lesnar at this point. If Becky wasn't gonna stand tall, why close with that over Roman giving Lee the rub? Overall this show reinforced my belief that I'm good just watching NXT and AEW, and only checking in on Raw and SD every month or two.
  11. I'm not a huge fan of heels losing a 4 on 2 situation, but they did it as well as they could. I would've liked to see them copy the ROH/CZW cage of death where the face the team got the advantage, then lost it because of a turn.The finishing sequence was good, bringing back memories of the underrated Cena/Orton I Quit match. Good stuff all around. The triple threat had some good sequences but needed to be shorter. Another good finishing spot. Riddle/Balor was alright, but definitely one of Riddle's lesser matches this year. He took an RVD-esque bump on that Bloody Sunday, though. The men's Wargames dragged until KO showed up. I'd be down for KO back in NXT full time. Adam Cole better not win his match tonight. I don't hate Cole, but it would completely devalue the match/finishing spot to have him win. Also, is there any X vs. Adam Cole match where X vs. Pete Dunne doesn't sound better? Overall, it was a fine show, but outside of the women's Wargames, things went more into "trying too hard" to their own detriment.
  12. I used to think Rollins was fairly savvy to the business. Is he smart enough that he's leaning into a perfect whiny heel persona for a new decade, or has he been huffing his own farts and let the business pass him by? I'll have to check this show out some time, I'm a sucker for shoot humor.
  13. The whole brand wars setup is dumb, but Revival/UE was the second best match in the company this year, and the Ricochet/Riddle sprint and fallout brawl was fun too. Also, I don't care what anyone says, that ladder panama sunrise was a wonderful piece of internal wrestling logic. Gotta get more bounce to get the bigger guy over. Guess we're just waiting til tonight for the surprise 4th guy? Is Gargano hurt leading to a real surpise, or is it just him?
  14. Maybe WWE is trying a bold new strategy of getting out of the 18-49 demo and marketing towards boomers.
  15. In America, this means you're 100% whatever the other half is to most people. That Myles shirt is racist af obviously, but who do we expect accountability from again? The guy who dropped the N-bomb on live tv? Or the guy who launched his career by doing a blackface skit with a bunch of his white friends?
  16. I'm always down for heel Asuka. Too bad about the rest of the show, but luckily for WWE, AEW thinks a Jack Swagger debut is a "first live weekly show closing" worthy moment, so they didn't fall too far behind in the booking race this week.
  17. Yeah that sums up that whole sequence. "Ho hum" to "hell yeah" to "come on" in 10 seconds. It also doesn't help that Adam Cole's brainbuster on the knee move should be a MDK finisher.
  18. My big issue is that show seemed way too heel-heavy. I think every segment ended with the heels on top, and the babyfaces looked dumb most of the time. The in-ring action was solid, though, and it was good to hear Tony Schiavone call wrestling again. Swagger is still painfully mediocre and if you missed his LU run, he's exactly the same with or without the WWE format.
  19. Bate and Walter absolutely should have. There was no wasted time in that 40 minutes. Complain about the Gargano/Cole series all you want, but Bate and Walter did the epic right.
  20. The announcers missed some points to the story to Bate/Walter too. Bate wasn't giving up a lot of pure strength necessarily, but definitely leverage and striking power with Walter's longer limbs and ability to strike downward instead of having to strike upward. The exploder was Bate's most effective move because when he could use a crotch hold and get his center of gravity lower to muscle over the bigger man. Also, his general suplex/lifting technique of getting his hips low and driving through to neutralize his weight disadvantage. The embarrassment of Walter over getting slammed early, immediately trying for one of his own and getting countered, then hitting a super-disgruntled one after the apron/ring post power bombs. Bate snapped the fingers on Walter's non-chopping hand. This is match where you can probably re-watch it a dozen times and find something new to love each time.
  21. There's Bate vs. Walter from TO: Cardiff and then there's everything else.
  22. I knew Bate vs. Walter was a great stylistic match on paper, but god damn. That was the most 90s AJ style match since like 1997. I mean just the best parts of Kobashi vs. Hansen/Williams and Misawa vs. Vader all rolled into one. The rare "once every couple of years" match that just reminds me why I'll always love pro wrestling. It effectively did. There's a difference between "weak kickout then eat more finishers until you lose" and "kickout then go back on offense where you can realistically win."
  23. I just need to procure some DVDs of WCW shows so I can revisit my childhood memories from time to time.
  24. No disrespect to Mickie, Victoria, Molly, etc, but Charlotte is a good bit better than anyone Trish ever worked with in her prime (except like Christian and Jericho if you count one-offs). I'm glad Trish got a match like this to settle the argument whether or not she could hang if she came up today, though. Seth/Brock would've been a lot better without Seth catching a case of DDP disease. You don't need an injury angle to build up Brock as a threat. Any non-fan could discern Brock's opponent is an underdog just by looking at them, and people who have followed his career just need to hear his name and the story is set. Seth no-selling the buildup just makes everyone look bad.
  25. So, without NXT, what exactly does the network offer?
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