Shartnado Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 Arn said in his podcast that they gave their notice while still the tag champs, due to not making more money than in JCP, as Vince had originally promised them. After Tully was fired and Arn was teaming with Haku against Demolition etc. he started receiving the most amazing paychecks for shows that didn't do amazing business. When he finished up, he actually HAD made more than in JCP. Vince had kept his word and I'm sure it was kind of a reverse FU to Arn for not trusting him when Vince said he would take care of it. That was Arn's take on it, I have no clue if it actually happened, but fascinating story, nonetheless. 1
sydneybrown Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 I always wondered why Vince took forever to air Demolition winning the tag titles back from the BrainBusters, and that story might kinda explain it. Demolition beat them October 2 and the title change didn't air until November 4 (Tully had already been fired by then.) Usually they air title changes immediately to keep continuity on house shows, but the Busters spent the whole month defending a title they had already lost. Curious if Vince was trying to keep them on and would have voided the title change if they stayed.
Shartnado Posted August 8, 2020 Posted August 8, 2020 Wow, I never looked up any further info about the timing of the Demolition title change and had no idea it was this convoluted. Considering there has been that nullified title change with Rockers and Hart Foundation in 1990, it's always a possibility that Vince would have just decided not to air the title change at all, if they came to terms in time. But alas, it was not to be. Sure is interesting, though!
J.H. Posted August 10, 2020 Posted August 10, 2020 Tag titles have a tendency to get delayed or never aired switches. I mean there is also the Rougeaus winning the titles but never even mentioned on tv James
Peck Posted August 10, 2020 Posted August 10, 2020 What was the deal with Prime Time Wrestling showing outdated matches on a regular basis? For example, I'm watching a November 1986 episode where the "spotlight match" is a tag match from April 1985. To the point where even Gorilla says "This was back when the Dream Team were the Tag Champs" when introducing the match. That just seems extremely counterproductive; and it wasn't like it was a one-time thing either.
Mister TV Posted August 10, 2020 Posted August 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Peck said: What was the deal with Prime Time Wrestling showing outdated matches on a regular basis? For example, I'm watching a November 1986 episode where the "spotlight match" is a tag match from April 1985. To the point where even Gorilla says "This was back when the Dream Team were the Tag Champs" when introducing the match. That just seems extremely counterproductive; and it wasn't like it was a one-time thing either. Most likely they needed to fill time, I don’t think they taped matches specifically for Prime Time until 88 or 89, so there could have been weeks were they were short on matches from the taped house shows.
colonial Posted August 10, 2020 Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 4:21 PM, sydneybrown said: I always wondered why Vince took forever to air Demolition winning the tag titles back from the BrainBusters, and that story might kinda explain it. Demolition beat them October 2 and the title change didn't air until November 4 (Tully had already been fired by then.) Usually they air title changes immediately to keep continuity on house shows, but the Busters spent the whole month defending a title they had already lost. Curious if Vince was trying to keep them on and would have voided the title change if they stayed. A friend of mine attended a house show at the Philly Spectrum that took place in between the actual title change and when it aired. The card featured a Brain Busters/Demolition match. When he discussed the card with friends, he focused more on the Warrior-Andre 10 second title match, but he did talk in some detail about the tag title match. Before the ring announcer began his introductions, Tully and Arn ran to the ring without their straps. They told the crowd that Demolition "stole their titles," so they challenged the Dems to come to the ring and fight fair and square. Dems come to the ring, again without belts, and the match starts. Dems win by DQ and the two teams brawl to the back. Outside of Tully and Arn mentioning their belts being "stolen," no reference is made to the match being for the tag titles. 1
BurningBeard Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 Marcus Alexander Bagwell and 2 Cold Scorpio are the most underrated tag team of all time. Discuss... 1
Shartnado Posted August 14, 2020 Posted August 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, BurningBeard said: Marcus Alexander Bagwell and 2 Cold Scorpio are the most underrated tag team of all time. Discuss... Underrated for sure! Scorpio was awesome from day 1 and I've always liked Bagwell's work until the neck injury. They had a bunch of good teams to work with and could definitely have gone further than they did, if not for the implosion. I wish there was more of their matches available than there already is (on the WWE Network).
Shartnado Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 Did Bagwell & Scorpio ever face the Blackhearts? Now that would be some underrated shit for '93 if there ever was one! I don't recall seeing it on Saturday Night, but there is a timeframe it could have taken place! Anyone know if it did?
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 15, 2020 Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) On 8/14/2020 at 12:59 PM, BurningBeard said: Marcus Alexander Bagwell and 2 Cold Scorpio are the most underrated tag team of all time. Discuss... Bagwell is the most underrated wrestler prior to his neck injury, period. Jimmy Garvin > Michael Hayes He’s way better at working a crowd during a match in 83, and getting better matches out of the same guys Hayes just worked. Edited August 15, 2020 by LoneWolf&Subs 1
LoneWolf&Subs Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 Why is Roberts “The Texan” in 83’ for World Class?
cwoy2j Posted August 16, 2020 Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 12:32 PM, Shartnado said: Arn said in his podcast that they gave their notice while still the tag champs, due to not making more money than in JCP, as Vince had originally promised them. After Tully was fired and Arn was teaming with Haku against Demolition etc. he started receiving the most amazing paychecks for shows that didn't do amazing business. When he finished up, he actually HAD made more than in JCP. Vince had kept his word and I'm sure it was kind of a reverse FU to Arn for not trusting him when Vince said he would take care of it. That was Arn's take on it, I have no clue if it actually happened, but fascinating story, nonetheless. I can second this. Probably one of the best episodes of Arn's podcast. Lots of interesting stuff.
BurningBeard Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Someone fill in the blanks on the Shockmaster for me. He debuts in a cape with a sparkly helmet and a mysterious voice, botches his important entrance, then at the PPV he’s like... a construction worker or summat?
Curt McGirt Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Ric Flair on the Shockmaster: "I think Ole was high that day, and Ole don't get high." 1 2
Shartnado Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) I have stated on numerous threads recently that I'm going through '93 Superstars on the Network and I was wondering if the awesomeness of Crush vs Papa Shango ever happened? And the other thing that goes further on into the summer of '93, is Mr Hughes the only guy to beat up and lay out The Undertaker without there being a big blow-off match (with Taker getting his revenge)? I mean sure, there were circumstances, but still there aren't many more! Edited August 21, 2020 by Shartnado Grammar, sorry
The Green Meanie Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 For at least two decades I had been trying to find the identity of the WWF's Angriest Referee: (anyone that's seen Wrestlemania IV will know what I'm talking about) And thanks to Bruce Pritchard and a recent episode of his podcast, I finally know! Apparently he's former wrestler Jack Kruger: So now for a new question: (I can't find a video clip of this) I remember seeing bit online where the "Killer Bees" (under hoods) had attacked Hulk Hogan during an episode of Superstars. They announcers at first seemed to think it was Blair/Brunzell until after the attack. Did we ever find out who were under the masks, and did anything ever come from this angle? I also seem to remember it being strange as the Bees had already left the company or it was right at the time they left.
PetrolCB Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Jack Kruger looks like the killer from Too Many Cooks, in that second pic. Edited August 21, 2020 by PetrolCB
PetrolCB Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said: So now for a new question: (I can't find a video clip of this) I remember seeing bit online where the "Killer Bees" (under hoods) had attacked Hulk Hogan during an episode of Superstars. They announcers at first seemed to think it was Blair/Brunzell until after the attack. Did we ever find out who were under the masks, and did anything ever come from this angle? I also seem to remember it being strange as the Bees had already left the company or it was right at the time they left. A quick search shows this happened during a lumberjack match between Hogan and DiBiase from the Philly Spectrum on March 12th, 1988. Apparently it was a one off and no, they weren't revealed. Hogan ripped a mask off but there was another underneath. Spectrum shows were still televised up until October of that year, so maybe you'll find footage somewhere. I couldn't though. Also, the Bees were still somewhat around until that fall. 1
OSJ Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 4:30 PM, LoneWolf&Subs said: Bagwell is the most underrated wrestler prior to his neck injury, period. Jimmy Garvin > Michael Hayes He’s way better at working a crowd during a match in 83, and getting better matches out of the same guys Hayes just worked. The sky was the limit for Bagwell until he got hurt. Jimmy Garvin was always better than Hayes in every possible way. If you didn't get chills when "Sharp-dressed Man" hit and Garvin made his way to the ring with Precious you have no soul. 4
Death From Above Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 I thought Hayes actually had a very good showing of himself on the 80's Mid South set but that's obviously only a small part of the overall picture.
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 Both MPSHayes and JGarvin had peaks and valleys, and while I would assert that Garvin had more peaks (more fun stuff to watch), I could not say for sure if they were higher (more enjoyable) than Hayes' best. WCCW Garvin is so so good, but the Freebirds were almost as important and influential as Hayes believes they are. MPSH as a cool heel, great promos, dirty heelin', ENTRANCE MUSIC*, got great heat - don't sell him short. However, that video when Jimmy Garvin and Sunshine were forced to work on the Von Erich ranch is one of my fave things from a brilliant heel run, it melding into the Chris Adams feud -- oy, so festivem(and there was more). stinky stinky gross dog, RAF *Yeah, I know he wasn't the first, I ain't on marijuana pills.
Infinit Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 Jimmy Garvin had a pretty good feud with Rick Martel in the AWA/Montreal for the AWA title. And I'm a sucker for Jimmy's face turn after Ronnie got blinded by Cornette and the MX. 1
odessasteps Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 I wish there was more video of young babyface Jim Garvin in Florida out there. 2
DJ Hero Morganti Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 Who was the first to do entrance music live and then on tape?
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