OSJ 5,631 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 4:30 PM, LoneWolf&Subs said: Bagwell is the most underrated wrestler prior to his neck injury, period. Jimmy Garvin > Michael Hayes He’s way better at working a crowd during a match in 83, and getting better matches out of the same guys Hayes just worked. The sky was the limit for Bagwell until he got hurt. Jimmy Garvin was always better than Hayes in every possible way. If you didn't get chills when "Sharp-dressed Man" hit and Garvin made his way to the ring with Precious you have no soul. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Death From Above 5,667 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I thought Hayes actually had a very good showing of himself on the 80's Mid South set but that's obviously only a small part of the overall picture. Link to post Share on other sites
thee Reverend Axl Future 1,786 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Both MPSHayes and JGarvin had peaks and valleys, and while I would assert that Garvin had more peaks (more fun stuff to watch), I could not say for sure if they were higher (more enjoyable) than Hayes' best. WCCW Garvin is so so good, but the Freebirds were almost as important and influential as Hayes believes they are. MPSH as a cool heel, great promos, dirty heelin', ENTRANCE MUSIC*, got great heat - don't sell him short. However, that video when Jimmy Garvin and Sunshine were forced to work on the Von Erich ranch is one of my fave things from a brilliant heel run, it melding into the Chris Adams feud -- oy, so festivem(and there was more). stinky stinky gross dog, RAF *Yeah, I know he wasn't the first, I ain't on marijuana pills. Link to post Share on other sites
Infinit 2,994 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Jimmy Garvin had a pretty good feud with Rick Martel in the AWA/Montreal for the AWA title. And I'm a sucker for Jimmy's face turn after Ronnie got blinded by Cornette and the MX. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
odessasteps 13,955 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I wish there was more video of young babyface Jim Garvin in Florida out there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Morganti 827 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Who was the first to do entrance music live and then on tape? Link to post Share on other sites
elizium 2,426 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Morganti said: Who was the first to do entrance music live and then on tape? Not sure if he was the first, but Gorgeous George would come out to music in the 50s. If I'm not mistaken, he usually entered to Pomp and Circumstance, like Randy Savage would years later. E: You can hear it during his entrance here: Edited August 23, 2020 by elizium Link to post Share on other sites
The Green Meanie 2,000 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Morganti said: Who was the first to do entrance music live and then on tape? Sgt. Slaughter has frequently claimed he was the first to have an entrance theme. Link to post Share on other sites
odessasteps 13,955 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 There were guys in the 70s using music before Bob Remus became Sarge. But yeah, George is likely the answer. Link to post Share on other sites
OSJ 5,631 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said: Sgt. Slaughter has frequently claimed he was the first to have an entrance theme. Sgt. Slaughter has claimed many things, doesn't mean that any of them are true. The correct answer is Gorgeous George Link to post Share on other sites
The Green Meanie 2,000 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Don't kill the messenger, just knew that he's said it a lot. I'd go with George also. Link to post Share on other sites
odessasteps 13,955 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Just now, The Green Meanie said: Don't kill the messenger, just knew that he's said it a lot. I'd go with George also. Hayes claims it a lot too. Also wrong and full of it. Link to post Share on other sites
sydneybrown 2,344 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I think the proper question is who popularized it and made it common. Hogan's "Eye of the Tiger" changed everything. It was perfect for him and others followed. Except a lot of them used that same song and it didn't fit at all. Link to post Share on other sites
thee Reverend Axl Future 1,786 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 As far as I can tell, it was thee Gorgeous One. Was he able to do it on house shows frequently? However, I will give it to Hayes for coming out to a pop/popular/rock tune as a heel (before Hogan & "Eye of the Tiger" (which is a great entrance song (one of the biggest pops I ever heard))) AND most importantly , it resulted in one of my favorite stories ever ever when the Freebirds tried to talk Nick Gulas into letting them use LSkynyrd. Question: was Hayes the first wrestler to come out to his own (performed) song? Or was it Adrian Street or Beautiful Beauregard? - dirty and hot, RAF Link to post Share on other sites
odessasteps 13,955 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I’d think it might have been Lawler or Valiant in Memphis. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Death From Above 5,667 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 When did Baba start using the future AJPW TV theme full time? Had to be in the early 70's at least. I'm not sure about the JWA years. Link to post Share on other sites
elizium 2,426 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) Thinking about the flip of this, who was the last guy in the WWF to enter without music (not counting storyline things like when Ziggler was having his music cut off a few years ago)? One thing that surprises me about watching older footage is how late into the 80s you still see guys enter without anything. Ted Dibiase has one of the most famous themes of the era, but he didn't actually get it until a few years into his run as the Million Dollar Man. Wrestlemania 5 against Beefcake he's still entering to silence, but has the theme by Wrestlemania 6 against Jake the Snake. I don't think Andre ever had entrance music. Nor Bad News Brown. Edited August 23, 2020 by elizium Link to post Share on other sites
Vgmastr 134 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Furnas and Lafon had music when they debuted as babyfaces, but dropped the music in '97 when they turned heel. Not sure if you want to count that as storyline as it was part of their "we're serious wrestlers" gimmick. Backlund might be the last guy to not have music. He didn't get music until very late in his run, Hail to the Chief, after the Mr. Backlund for President storyline. First time I remember him having music is Royal Rumble 1996. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The Green Meanie 2,000 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) Guesses include The Genius and I.R.S. (theme used for the 15th Anniversary of Raw doesn't count) for me. Edited August 23, 2020 by The Green Meanie 1 Link to post Share on other sites
elizium 2,426 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Vgmastr said: Furnas and Lafon had music when they debuted as babyfaces, but dropped the music in '97 when they turned heel. Not sure if you want to count that as storyline as it was part of their "we're serious wrestlers" gimmick. Backlund might be the last guy to not have music. He didn't get music until very late in his run, Hail to the Chief, after the Mr. Backlund for President storyline. First time I remember him having music is Royal Rumble 1996. 21 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said: Guesses include The Genius and I.R.S. (theme used for the 15th Anniversary of Raw doesn't count) for me. All of these are great shouts. While I do think both Backlund and Furnas/Lafon were story related (Backlund to show how old school he was, F/L serious wrestlers as mentioned). I think they count anyway because I don't know if anyone ever came out and made mention of the fact that they don't have any music, I think we were just supposed to infer it. I completely forgot about IRS, but yeah I don't think he had any music until hooking up with Dibiase. I can't believe they never gave The Genius some light classical as an entrance. Link to post Share on other sites
The Green Meanie 2,000 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, elizium said: I completely forgot about IRS, but yeah I don't think he had any music until hooking up with Dibiase. I'm not convinced he had any. A search comes up with the theme they used for him in video games (the typewritter) but I don't think that was ever used on any TV show or PPV. He only came out to Ted's theme either as a part of Money Inc. or the Million Dollar Corporation. Edited August 23, 2020 by The Green Meanie Link to post Share on other sites
elizium 2,426 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Green Meanie said: I'm not convinced he had any. A search comes up with the theme they used for him in video games (the typewritter) but I don't think that was ever used on any TV show or PPV. He only came out to Ted's theme either as a part of Money Inc. or the Million Dollar Corporation. Yes, sorry wasn't clear, that's what I meant.... he would enter to Ted's theme after that point for the rest of his time there. I'm pretty sure he entered with no music during the time period between Ted's retirement and return as a manager. Link to post Share on other sites
GuerrillaMonsoon 3,195 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Giant in WCW probably the last? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyWhioux 3,501 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 depends on if the Brooklyn Brawler counts, I suppose Link to post Share on other sites
ReiseReise 625 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Vladimir Kozlow entered without music before he got Russian Rammstein Link to post Share on other sites
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