The Natural Posted July 20 Posted July 20 2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: Looking at pics I pulled off an old hard drive and remembering watching the 2010 Royal Rumble through means only to have it freeze on me in this spot: That was a good Royal Rumble match with CM Punk's sermon, Shawn Michaels quest to get his WrestleMania rematch with The Undertaker and Edge's surprise return.
Ziggy Posted July 20 Posted July 20 (edited) I just watched clips of build up to Shawn vs Marty's match at Royal Rumble '93 and I really think it would've help Jannetty if he stopped wearing the same Rockers gear from when they were a team. When I started watching in '96 he was still wearing the same type gear lol. I know he was put with Al Snow as the "New Rockers" but even before than he was still wearing it. That time he attacked Shawn with the mirror dressed in street clothes he looked like such a threat, and then the match happens and he's dress like Big Bird. Marty had some really top notch working punches and Shawn was great selling especially during his early heel days. You always believed Jannetty was going to beat Shawn's face in during their matches. If he had a more convincing look to match the way he worked, he would have gotten over more especially since fans were ready to see Shawn get his hind handed to him. I wonder if that was a Vince call to keep working with the same Rockers gear because if so that should have been a Red flag of a Sabatage. Shawn's gear was very different than his Rockers gear and it stood out especially starting out the Boy Toy persona. You'd think Marty would go to the same gear maker and come up with something that didn't scream Rockers Edited July 20 by Ziggy 3
FourPostMassacre Posted July 20 Posted July 20 8 hours ago, Sex Machine Gun said: I can't get back to the page and quote someone because I'm on a phone and when I read pages of threads they're lost forever unless it's one of the first pages or the very last page buuuuuut: God does that old Raw is War intro still rule. It isn't just nostalgia, it's the whole thing. They have that ramping up WWF Attitude bumbumbumbumbumbum bit with the flashes of sound. Thorn in Your Eye goes HARD with synchronized clips of dudes getting pasted with weapons. Then you get the We're All Together Now guitar loop while rockets come screaming in and exploding around the entrance with the camera set at the bottom of the line where the rockets fly down and make impact. The arena is sold OUT and probably did in like a couple of hours at most. Signs are EVERYWHERE and the crowd is batshit. JR comes in and tells us where we are and says the arena is sold out before some major heel or face's music hits and just about EVERYONE is over with the crowd. You were lucky if you got to experience that every single week. God, it was so hype. A perfect opening. Are we talking Austin walking through a warehouse intro? If so then yea that one is legendary. I think what is lost in people always dwelling on stuff like ratings, attendance and money numbers is the level of how dialed in to wrestling people are during a hot period. The attitude era for all the shit it gets in hindsight will probably never be topped. 3
S.K.o.S. Posted July 20 Posted July 20 New wrestling crossword: https://twitter.com/avalanchestyle/status/1814669843494543861 4 1
The Comedian Posted July 20 Posted July 20 11 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: Looking at pics I pulled off an old hard drive and remembering watching the 2010 Royal Rumble through means only to have it freeze on me in this spot: CM Punk in Anthrophagus 2: Straight Edge Means I'm Hungrier for Human Flesh Than You... 5
nate Posted July 20 Posted July 20 7 minutes ago, The Comedian said: CM Punk in Anthrophagus 2: Straight Edge Means I'm Hungrier for Human Flesh Than You... I hope that post gets enough love. 1
Cobra Commander Posted July 20 Posted July 20 promo idea for any wrestlers who are on cable/network TV who are reading... steal the Bob Newhart denigrate joke and reword it however "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'" 3 1 4
SovietShooter Posted July 20 Posted July 20 2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: steal the Bob Newhart denigrate joke and reword it however Back when I was working (so this was like 2010ish) the company I was working for had me start a show in Springfield, OH with a mic spot. It was when the big thing in the news was "stimulus checks" and such. So I kinda went out and did a Bob Newhart "Abe Lincoln" routine. I had one of the boys call my phone while I was in the ring, and then I answered it, pretending it was Barack Obama, or as I called him "Barry". This "conversation" went on about five minutes, and I had so much frigging heat when it was over. All 175 paid fans wanted to kill me. 7
odessasteps Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Was the heat for the content or the fact it was a five minute segment? 2
Cobra Commander Posted July 20 Posted July 20 the heat was for the lack of air conditioning in the building 1 1
SovietShooter Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: Was the heat for the content or the fact it was a five minute segment? The "heat" came from when I insinuated that Obama wanted to know if the people of Springfield all got their stimulus checks, and I looked around at the crowd and said back into my phone "No, no one here looks like they have any money". Five minutes on a non-tv show isn't a big deal, especially if you don't have fans conditioned to 10min matches. We regularly ran 2.5hr shows with 6 matches. 2 2
BloodyChamp Posted July 21 Posted July 21 It’s been discussed many times that Bischoff was an idiot for thinking that. Bobby Heenan’s hatred for Hogan was the equivalent of Ric Flair wanting beautiful women. It was always his gimmick, all the time, even when he wasn’t working a gimmick if that makes any sense. Being silly negative in general was something he was always going to do also and that was just another example. Everybody knew he would say it. If he wouldn’t have said it it would have been worse. It would have been another example of the announcers trying to hard to steer things 1 way like when they kept going HAW MAN TED DIBIASE MUST BE THE NEXT HORSEMEN THAT’S WHY HE MADE 4 FINGERS HAAAAAAEWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Newhart was a funny comedian and storyteller but his TV shows were lame - O. If you haven’t seen the series finale of Newhart though, I recommend it. It’s 1 of the best series finales ever. It made the lameness of the show make sense. It was done as if his whole career built towards that payoff.
odessasteps Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) I had to tell someone today in their 30s that Newhart had a Tv show where he played a comic book artist and it included an episode which included Jack Kirby and Jim Lee, among others. This was a comic book guy who used to own his own store. He was amazed when we watched the opening credits on YouTube. Edited July 21 by odessasteps 1
SovietShooter Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 hour ago, BloodyChamp said: Bob Newhart was a funny comedian and storyteller but his TV shows were lame - O. Newhart despite being the "star" of both shows, was really just a straight man for the antics of the characters around him. Only he was like a god-tier straight man. In wrestling terms, Bob sold his ass off to get everyone else over. 5 1
BloodyChamp Posted July 21 Posted July 21 That was 1 of the dumber things about show at that time not just his. But he was the GOAT straight man. Only Porky Pig might have been better. 1 1
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) I just got done recording our wildly kinda sorta popular amongst weirdos YouTube show where we MST3K old wrestling. We did the ECW Belmar, NJ Beach Party show and it occurred to me, why isn't Shane Douglas held up as high as Dreamer, Sandman, and the rest as the foundations of ECW? He fucking named the promotion, but he's now the forgotten guy. Edited July 21 by Johnny Sorrow 2
Shartnado Posted July 21 Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Johnny Sorrow said: I just got done recording our wildly kinda sorta popular amongst weirdos YouTube show where we MST3K old wrestling. We did the ECW Belmar, NJ Beach Party show and it occurred today me, why isn't Shane Douglas held up as high as Dreamer, Sandman, and the rest as the foundations of ECW? He fucking named the promotion, but he's now the forgotten guy. There might be a bunch of other things, but he didn't do the crazy stuff other foundation members did, people said his promos were nothing special if it wasn't for all the cursing. He was very opinionated and probably rubbed a bunch of people the wrong way, including fans. He also said some nasty stuff about guys who were, at the time, held in high esteem. I have always liked him, but that's mostly due to his short lived run as a JTTS in WWF in late '90 to early '91. There is no doubt he should be talked about as much as the guys who stayed in the spotlight for way longer, but all the burnt (and then pissed on) bridges he's left behind over the years, may have hastened his journey away from the spotlight.
AxB Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) Shane Douglas isn't respected because Triple H stole his whole act (and did it badly), for an interminably long time, on shows that a lot of people watched. Edited July 21 by AxB 2
Gorman Posted July 21 Posted July 21 5 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said: I just got done recording our wildly kinda sorta popular amongst weirdos YouTube show where we MST3K old wrestling. We did the ECW Belmar, NJ Beach Party show and it occurred today me, why isn't Shane Douglas held up as high as Dreamer, Sandman, and the rest as the foundations of ECW? He fucking named the promotion, but he's now the forgotten guy. In my upcoming ECW history book, the Franchise will get his proper place. No spoilers, but he's a strong contender for "King of Philadelphia." 2
SovietShooter Posted July 21 Posted July 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said: why isn't Shane Douglas held up as high as Dreamer, Sandman, and the rest as the foundations of ECW? He fucking named the promotion, but he's now the forgotten guy. Because he left, twice. Once on "bad terms". He was the original cornerstone that ECW was built around, when he was fresh off his WCW stint tagging with Steamboat and such. But then he left for the disasterous "Dean Douglas" run in the WWF. Obviously Paul E welcomed him back and pushed him to the moon again after that, but when he got hurt in '98 and Paul E stopped paying him (or at least paying him on time) and he held the title hostage before jumping to WCW, that didn't seem to make Paul E too happy, and he was the one that controlled the narrative at that time. And since he burned all his WWE bridges, no one over there ever had any interest in rehabbing his rep for monetization purposes. Edited July 21 by SovietShooter 3
SovietShooter Posted July 21 Posted July 21 9 hours ago, BloodyChamp said: That was 1 of the dumber things about show at that time not just his. Another pretty successful show built like that was The Andy Griffith Show. Griffith rose to fame as a comedian telling humorous folksy stories, such as "What it was, was Football". When they tried to adapt those types of stories to the show, they realized that for this to work that Andy Taylor had to play it straight, and all the folks around him had to be batshit crazy so he could react to it.
odessasteps Posted July 21 Posted July 21 10 hours ago, SovietShooter said: Newhart despite being the "star" of both shows, was really just a straight man for the antics of the characters around him. Only he was like a god-tier straight man. In wrestling terms, Bob sold his ass off to get everyone else over. Bob as Lance Russell. 5
BloodyChamp Posted July 21 Posted July 21 I wouldn’t count Andy as a straight man because he did lots of funny things on the show, but he usually wasn’t the one doing the over the top funny stuff and he had straight mad qualities yes. And Lance Russell is a dark horse pick for GOAT straight man. 1
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