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My memory is telling me that they usually start off Dynamite & Collision with either a Jon Moxley or Orange Cassidy match, and usually end the show with the "main event". They typically do try to start off the show it's a big match with top stars. What I am saying is they need to completely go backwards with how they air the card - start off with the biggest "main event" match, and then work down from there.
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I'm kinda surprised that with how people consume media now (short attention span, skimming thru content, etc) AEW hasn't really tried to front load the shows with the best stuff first. They've experimented with this on Rampage a bit, and that was how the old SNME were back in the 80s. I mean, I'm sure there are very valid reasons when it comes to rating averages and selling commercial time not to do this... and it would certainly fuel some of the online narrative that Dynamite just appears to be successful because it siphons BBT rerun ratings, but it would put the most eyes on the key content.
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I like Bowens, but I think we need to see more from him as a single before we can make a fair call on his potential. He hasn't had the singles opportunity that, for instance, a Dax Harwood has had. Bowens is doing great in his role as a tag specialist, which is all that is currently being asked if him. If he gets a string of singles matches, like maybe in the Owen Tournament this year, maybe a better assessment can be made.
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AEW TV - 3/13 - 3/19/2024 - Takin' Care of Business
SovietShooter replied to Dolfan in NYC's topic in ALL ELITE WRESTLING
As someone that does not follow the WWE product at all, I know nothing about her at all, aside from the basics: She's related to Snoop, she walked out on WWE because of how she was being booked, she went down to Mexico to train until she was contractually free & clear to go to NJPW, where she spent a lot of time out injured. She's a blank canvas to me aside from that. -
Correct. Also correct. Pentagon Jr is not the son of any of the previous Pentagons. The original Pentagon was Espanto Jr (Andrade El Idolo's uncle), who re-gimmicked as Pentagon, but had a stroke before the big mask match with Octagon. AAA just gave the Penta Jr gimmick to him as a rival to the original Octagon Jr., who was of no relation to Octagon, and quickly left AAA to become WWE's Kalisto. The second Octagon Jr was Flamita, who left AAA and dropped the gimmick after Octagon showed up to a personal appearance with armed bodyguards and jerked his mask off. Octagon then announced the debut of Hijo del Octagon, who is also of no relation, and formerly worked as Marabunta Jr. This guy has never appeared in AAA.
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So, two separate things here ... Sometimes names are just recycled. 25 years ago there was a dude working named Titán, now there is another dude that just happens to be using the name. Part of the "function" of the box y lucha commissions is supposed to be making sure two different luchadors aren't registered with the same name and look, but since the commissions are at the state/local level, it happens. Plus, sometimes the promotions own the gimmicks. CMLL is pretty big on taking an old tyme luchador name and re-using it for a young guy. As far as the Hijo/Jr thing... traditionally that is something passed from father to son, but can often be cousins, nephews or other family members. However, sometimes the OG might just sell the gimmick to a younger wrestler. The original Hermanos Dinimatas are a good example of this; There were multiple "Cien Caras Jr" and "Hijo del Universo 2000" out there completely unrelated, and the OGs got a kickback for letting them use the name
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Yes, they are. They are still very conservative in their presentation and how matches are worked. But CMLL business really went in the shitter during the no-fans covid era, and a number of their top guys (Rush, Dragon Lee, Dinimatas, etc) left the company. CMLL was forced to push their younger talent, and with a recent change in their "programming department", that decision is just paying off in a big way. AAA is the exact opposite... theyve really focused on "guest wrestlers" rather than their full-time talent. They do the wild brawls and cartoonish attitude era presentation. And they're struggling outside of their big Triplemania shows.
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Most of CMLL's current stuff is behind a paywall. The easiest way to catch up on things would be to go back to the 2023 Gran Prix, and watch the Friday shows from there. To do that you may need to find a fan of the Cubs, and see if they have any of that saved anywhere in a publicly accessible shared drive. *Nudgenudgewinkwink* A quick (very quick) primer... Mistico is the top draw, and Volador Jr is the ace of the company. Both are tecnicos by default, but Volador will work rudo opposite Mistico or when needed. Mascara Dorada 2, Soberano Jr, and Atlantis Jr are being positioned to be the cornerstones of the promotion in the near future. Ultimo Guerrero is the former ace of the company that is starting to slow down a bit, but he is consistently positioned as the top rudo in the company. A lot of things revolve around him. His brother Gran Guerrero is nowhere near as good, but gets a huge push by proxy. Niebla Roja & Angel del Oro, the Chavez Bros, are the CMLL tag champs, and dominate that division. There are a ton of great workers in the upper midcard, like Stuka Jr, Templario, Valiente, Barbaro Cabernario, Titan, Neon, Futuro, Averno, Mephesto, Blue Panther's kids, Guerrero Maya Jr, Rey Cometa... these guys are the life blood of the promotion because they just get thrown out there to have matches. Probably the biggest "angle" over the past couple years has been Rocky Romero periodically showing up to start shit and stir things up. Awhile back he beat Volador for the NWA Middleweight Title, and then Volador took his hair. Over the past year, CMLL has really out a focus on women... in fact they ran an all-women's show last night. A lot of the veteran women are oft injured, so they've really been giving young girls an opportunity. Many are green as grass, but the level of work has stepped up quite a bit. Steph Vaquer is probably the cream of these new girls, but Jarochita and Lady Isis are pretty good too. When Amapola and some of the veteran luchadors can and want to go, they can have some real good matches.
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So, I saw a tweet earlier today, saying 7000 tickets have been sold, all in the lower bowl, and all that is left are $50+. Ticketmaster is now showing $26 tix available in the upper deck. AEW is looking at a $500K house based on a few dollar signs on a graphic (Bo$$ton). Not bad for a T-shirt company on the verge of bankruptcy.
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Averno can still go, especially when basing for high flyers, but Mephesto is starting to show his age... not sure I would bring them in. If it was still 2015, sure. Maybe if they get a match against a couple small guys they can toss around, but probably not anyone that would want to do complicated spots. Atlantis Sr. just cannot go anymore, and I don't think he would translate well to US television because of that. Lucha fans have reverence for legends, and he can hide out in a tag match where he doesn't have to take any bumps, and can get pops for his classic spots. I don't see that working out in AEW, where the fans generally won't know his repertoire, and he will just look like a slow old man. THE tag team to bring in would be the current CMLL Tag Champs, the Chavez brothers (Angel del Oro & Niebla Rojo). They're a blend between a classic basing rudo team (Like Averno & Mephesto back in their heyday) and a pretty boy shitheel like Hector Garza. They'd be like two smaller Claudios with nice hair, lol
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Sammy just hit a brutal looking SSP that busted Hardy's nose. If the protocol is that "its OK to just go home", then I can see a situation where Turner communicated to Sammy that Hardy was hurt, so "take it home", and the dumbass picked him up and hit the G2S, instead of just covering him for the pinfall.
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I'm a big believer that your top singles title and tag titles should both carry the same weight and gravitas, where both should regularly main event shows. So I would have no issue putting my tag champs over
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I'm a big believer in the (Bill Watts?) philosophy that a regular tag team should always defeat two regular singles competitors thrown together in a one-off. Conversely, when a guy that regularly works tag matches works a singles match against a regular singles competitor, the tag guy should lose. Booking logic.