Technico Support Posted July 23 Posted July 23 11 hours ago, odessasteps said: From Dustin’s social media Dustin needs to get down off that high horse. People inside his industry created that term and I think it’s fair to use. “Enhancement talent” sounds like a McMahon word salad $10 term, like local medical facility. 5
FourPostMassacre Posted July 23 Posted July 23 41 minutes ago, Technico Support said: Dustin needs to get down off that high horse. People inside his industry created that term and I think it’s fair to use. “Enhancement talent” sounds like a McMahon word salad $10 term, like local medical facility. We are all suppose to forget the J.O.B. squad. I mean I’m sure it sucks when Dustin has to tell these kids match finishes and he’s always met with the jobber rebuttal but some things are so ingrained they can’t be changed with just a tweet.
HumanChessgame Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) My friends and I would always refer to jobbers as "wimps" when we were pre-teen marks. I can't tell if Dustin's tweet was meant to be tongue in cheek or not. The Bret/Douglas talk makes me wish Bret had a cup of coffee in ECW post-Montreal and worked a program with Douglas. My timeline is fuzzy here but I think that would have been early 1998? Edited July 23 by HumanChessgame 4
odessasteps Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Hall of Fame was good time, even with the long drives. I sat next to guys from Fulsinger Games who do that wrestling card game. Per Matt’s request, talked to JBL about Catch. He said maybe they can do an episode about it in the future. Told JBL & Brisco about Terry Funk having a wreck on the ranch while at WTSU and that’s where Dory Sr got the idea for what happened with Junior. Gerry laughed very hard and said I should tell Dory that story. Got to see Dr Tom and Les again. HOF ceremony was good. Tony’s kids ribbed him badly in their intro. Tony Garea gave a long but interesting speech about his career before coming to the US. Gagne was more humble than I was expecting. 5
Log Posted July 23 Posted July 23 27 minutes ago, odessasteps said: Naylor of course famously called them “wimpies.” Weirdly, that's what me and my friends called them growing up. I was shocked the first time I saw him calling them that. I thought it was just something we said. 1
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 23 Posted July 23 My buddies and I called them "losers", so jobber is at least nicer than that. 1 2
Technico Support Posted July 23 Posted July 23 We called them “preliminary wrestlers.” Not sure if we got that from the Apter mags or what, kind of a highfalutin’ term for kids to be throwing around. 4 2
Technico Support Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) $5 to the first person to tweet back at Dustin agreeing to stop using jobber and instead switch to the kinder, gentler “bitch ass motherfucking scrub.” Edited July 23 by Technico Support 1 3
twiztor Posted July 23 Posted July 23 i hate the overuse of the term "job". To me, "jobbing" always seemed like it should be reserved for squash matches. You, the "jobber", are there solely to make the other wrestler look good. Whether that be taking a short brutal demolishing by Kevin Sullivan or the Steiners, or getting a small shine/comeback segment makes no difference. You are faceless and nobody cares about you. [sorry, longterm enhancement talent!] If it's two wrestlers on an equal booking level, and they have a competitive match, one didn't "job" to the other. i can't stand it when people use it as a stand-in for losing. You wouldn't say the Rock jobbed to Steve Austin at WrestleMania 15. He lost, but they told a story and it was competitive. and that also applies to two people feuding over the TV or European titles. They're wrestling at their level. You win some, you lose some. that's not "jobbing", that's playing your part in telling a story. (hopefully) people care about you. Now, take that same European title challenger and place him against Austin, and you may be able to make that case. But it's dependent on the match itself, and the story told within. LOSING =/= JOBBING 1
Cobra Commander Posted July 23 Posted July 23 if Jobber isn't okay, can we still call them Jabronis? Guessing it's a coincidence that Naylor and Log using Wimpies isn't just because of the Wimpy character in Popeye
odessasteps Posted July 23 Posted July 23 I was part of a conversation at least twice over the weekend over the important function played by them. At least one HOF person talked about how important they were to his becoming a star on TV. And the Filsinger guys were talking about how popular the set of cards were that featured them. I told the story about how happy Pat Rose was when I put him over as a carpenter and how much he apprecited me saying that instead of calling him a job guy. 2
SovietShooter Posted July 23 Posted July 23 2 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said: My buddies and I called them "losers", so jobber is at least nicer than that. We called them the equally disrespectful "nobodies". 1 3
Log Posted July 23 Posted July 23 55 minutes ago, odessasteps said: I was part of a conversation at least twice over the weekend over the important function played by them. At least one HOF person talked about how important they were to his becoming a star on TV. And the Filsinger guys were talking about how popular the set of cards were that featured them. I told the story about how happy Pat Rose was when I put him over as a carpenter and how much he apprecited me saying that instead of calling him a job guy. I think there's still value in having them. "Jobber" matches let us have a look at what a new wrestler to the area could do. They gave you a sense of their moveset and their finisher. Seeing guys win with a certain move week after week made it more impressive when someone blocked it or kicked out of it. I'm afraid that the proverbial toothpaste is out of the tube in regards to that, though. It would take a lot of time to recondition audiences to seeing a ton of enhancement matches on tv every week. Honestly, as fondly as I look back on them, I don't think I'd even want that.
Raziel Posted July 23 Posted July 23 22 minutes ago, Log said: I think there's still value in having them. "Jobber" matches let us have a look at what a new wrestler to the area could do. They gave you a sense of their moveset and their finisher. Seeing guys win with a certain move week after week made it more impressive when someone blocked it or kicked out of it. I'm afraid that the proverbial toothpaste is out of the tube in regards to that, though. It would take a lot of time to recondition audiences to seeing a ton of enhancement matches on tv every week. Honestly, as fondly as I look back on them, I don't think I'd even want that. Counter-point: Everyone blocks or kicks out of finishers regularly anyway so does building up a move really matter anymore? Yes, points to Ospreay attempting to make the TD91 a big deal, but my issue is that if he was going to have the mental issue using it, maybe he should've pinned a person or two with it before hand, or like, Danielson sold the injury for more than a week. By his record, Ospreay has put more people on the shelf with the Hidden Blade than the StormDriver.
BloodyChamp Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Come on guys sticks and stones… There was a post on the internet every week of somebody asking OMG WHAT WAS THAT THEME MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until Shane Douglas and Dean Malenko left. I was searching for something else recently and found an old Reddit post where somebody asked, and everybody remembered the song, but only the last guy who answered knew it was Deep Purple. That’s 1 of the coolest songs that I can’t believe didn’t catch on, especially since it has always popped back up here and there. Those 2 albums are underrated IMO, especially if you just plain love them like I do. Most people do love them, but they love them guilty pleasure style. 1
Ramo2653 Posted July 23 Posted July 23 8 hours ago, Mister TV said: Thanks to Bobby Heenan they'll always be "ham-n-eggers" to me. My cousin called them "unprofessional punks" for some reason and it's always stuck with me.
ka-to Posted July 23 Posted July 23 You can't really call them prelim guys because prelim matches don't really exist in the live broadcast, 15 minute segment ratings era.
odessasteps Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Plus, the opening match in 2024 on a PPV/PLE is not the same as an opening match on a house show
SovietShooter Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) "local competitor" When I was working the indies, I used to hate when people called me an "amateur" or "semi pro", although semi-pro was probably the best description when you're not at a level to make a living at it. Edited July 24 by SovietShooter 3
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) Imagine my surprise when I saw Tony Garea suddenly be a loser. I didn't start watching wrestling like an obsesive weirdo maniac until 1984. Last time I had seen him on TV he was a winner with Martel and was my favorite wrestler. His tattoos were bad ass and his hair was dope. Edited July 24 by Johnny Sorrow 2
username Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I think jobber (I'm sorry Dustin) squashes can still work today and do at times when we see them in AEW or WWE... but they gotta be a mauling. You can't run them forever but like... Wardlow definitely wasn't suffering powerbombing nobodies to death until they simply ran it into the ground. 1
SirSmUgly Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Mick Foley calls them "underneath guys" in his first book, which I like a lot because it describes what they do: Fight from underneath for most of the match. That they do it poorly before losing is neither here nor there. 4
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