Dewar Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, Web Conn said: Whats the size of the buildings they are running? are they putting 1,100 people in 20,000 seat basketball arenas or are they putting 1,100 people in building that are filled to capacity. They are a small company that is marketed to a small niche audience. Don't front like they are trying to pack huge buildings. over 1,000 people is drawing well for them. The terrible setup they have at Sam's Town looks like they can fill it, but that's a 900 seat setup. It looked bush league for Paragon Pro Wrestling, not sure why ROH bothered running that same venue. They ran Lowell, Mass at a 2,800 seat venue (not including floor seats). According to attendance figures, they had 1,500 for the PPV, and 500 for the TV taping the following night. Less than 20% of the building was sold for the television taping. The local dumpy bar show in my town that "advertises" on phone poles in the neighbourhood can draw 20% of the building, without being on television across the United States and Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 52 minutes ago, Technico Support said: I think Alvarez said it, but it bears repeating. The cruiserweight division worked in WCW because 1) traditional "heavyweights" actually were bigger then and 2) the style was radically different form the rest of the roster. It also helped to have elite talent like Rey, Eddie, and Jericho anchoring the division during its peak years. There are some pretty good wrestlers in WWE's division now, but no one approaching the talent and charisma combo of those guys. The biggest thing, though, is that the CW title never main events big shows and the cumulative effect of the "lower on the card = less important" thought process ingrained in wrestling fans. UFC weight classes work because each title main events big shows on a rotating basis, so someone like Demetrious Johnson is a big deal in a way Neville could never be in WWE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Prior to the CWC when was the last time anyone even used the term cruiserweights? The whole thing is passe. WWE saw the diehards get excited about a bunch of new talents in a new format and the light bulb went off. "Let's put those same talents in a death slot in a tired format." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Prior to CWC it was AAA creating their crusierweight title in 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 It's really what others have said, it's presentation. We all should have known that no matter what the best idea is and the opportunity to do something different, WWE is going to do a close version of Raw. The fact this hasn't happened to NXT should be the greatest accomplishment of HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droneking Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 If they weren't so dead set on keeping it (205)live, taping before for Smackdown would at least give them the first wrestling of the night pop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Technico Support said: I think Alvarez said it, but it bears repeating. The cruiserweight division worked in WCW because 1) traditional "heavyweights" actually were bigger then and 2) the style was radically different form the rest of the roster. Today, "heavyweights" are smaller, if they're not just outright cruiserweights like Balor. How much bigger than the biggest guy on 205 Live is Sami or Seth? And the heavyweights wrestling a more "cruiserweight" style, too. When the only difference is, "well, these guys might be a little lighter," then what's the point? Daniel Bryan talked about it on the E and C show. That its hard to have a cruiserweight division when AJ Styles is working as a main eventer. Going all the way back to 1998 with the old WWF Light Heavyweight title, X-Pac wanted no part of it or in 2000 Jericho and Eddy did not want it. Only in 01 did it catch on at all because Pac, Jerry Lynn and Jeff Hardy wanted it. In WCW it worked because the heavyweights were a lot bigger and every small guy of note wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Angel Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Brysynner said: Rumor is another lingering issue is the same one Austin Aries had with not having his pre-show match on the WM DVD. Which there's no excuse why pre-show matches couldn't be on dvd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 They also knocked Neville's Summerslam match to the pre show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I wonder how the cruiserweight division would get over if they scrapped 205 Live and revamp it as a PWG knockoff. Find a modestly sized arena to film it in (does ROH have an exclusive on the 2300 Arena?) and let the cruiserweights flip their spot monkey hearts out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Not every cruiser they have is a flippy guy or does a ton more than they do in WWE as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 If they moved 205 Live to Full Sail and added Gargano, Rush and Lorcan (although I want Lorcan in NXT for the team with Burch), it would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I understand what you're saying in regard to performing in front of a responsive audience but what a death sentence that would be to the CW wrestlers by effectively telling them the only place they would ever be able to get over at is Full Sail. Talk about a demotivator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Plus - 205 Live already has a wrestler better than any of the people Jonny mentioned and isn't using. They don't need to add more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 But they're using Drew Gulak..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 They aren't using Gran Metalik 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, CreativeControl said: I understand what you're saying in regard to performing in front of a responsive audience but what a death sentence that would be to the CW wrestlers by effectively telling them the only place they would ever be able to get over at is Full Sail. Talk about a demotivator I think it makes sense at launch. Maybe over time if the show takes off you start expanding. Run small arenas. Have a Saturday night show before a ppv. Follow the nxt model. It's not like being featured on B & C shows filmed on days of tv have done anything for any talents. It's been a death slot for close to two decades. My fear is what the eventual all-womens show is going to look like. Unless they put more thought into it's going to be 205 live 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w. josh Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 It's not that they can only get over in front of a smarky Full Sail crowd, it's that they can only get over in a different format. Running them out in front of tired crowds in half-empty arenas and doing a bunch of cringe-y backstage skits isn't working. Neither is going back to Divas booking, where the champion and immediate challenger are always the focus of the division and everyone else gets love triangle or comedy storylines if they're doing anything at all. Moving to something closer to the tournament presentations with a smaller, energetic crowd would allow them to show that some of these guys ARE over, which could transfer over to the main roster. Or scrap the whole thing, throw a few of the guys on the NXT roster, and have Gallagher beat Roman for the Universal title. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 The CW division needs the NXT format of taping weeks at a time. No opportunities for constant rewrites and overbooking/thinking that plagues WWE weekly tv. And taping at a Full Sail would keep the show away from the weekly WWE "creative" team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I always thought it would be better if they taped 205 in the same place, and maybe had a match or two with the cruiserweights on Raw. No need to send everyone out on the road for no reason. 17 minutes ago, w. josh said: Or scrap the whole thing, throw a few of the guys on the NXT roster, and have Gallagher beat Roman for the Universal title. That would be the greatest thing in the history of the sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kropotkin's Beard Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 So at this point Delirious has been ROH booker for even longer than Gabe, right? Gabe left in 2008? My US indy wrestling fandom dropped off around the time ROH got on PPV (I recently found the Respect Is Earned DVD which I think was the last ROH show I bought), but from everything I've read it seems that Delirious has been in charge for a really long time while not really over seeing any noteworthy storylines or anything. Yeah, the Sinclair deal happened, as did working with New Japan which seems very big, but from a booking perspective there's nothing that caught the imagination like ROH-CZW, or even all the chatter around Age of the Fall, or the summer of Punk. There's very little which seems to have really broke out of ROH fans circles into a slightly broader group of people so I can't really wrap my head around Delirious having had the book for so long. Am I being unfair? Has there been cool things I've missed? Has made the most of a time where ROH is no longer the clear top indy? I'd like to know. I'm thinking of starting going through a bunch of old ROH shows and watching them either again or for the first time so it's been on my mind anyway, and with the Jimmy Jacobs talk lately I guess I just wanted to ask about Delirious as booker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Can anyone remember the last time a WWE thing referenced Misawa (outside of probably Mauro's commentary) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Was listening to Tony S' podcast on Bash at the Beach 1994 and a weird question popped into my head. Have Hulk Hogan and Mick Foley ever been in the same ring together? This is one of the few ppvs they've ever been on together but I was wondering if they'd actually had any onscreen interaction together. Fairly certain they've never had a match but any promos or anything like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, RIPPA said: Can anyone remember the last time a WWE thing referenced Misawa (outside of probably Mauro's commentary) Probably when Yoshitatsu was wearing tights similar to Misawa's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Right when Hogan and Bischoff started at TNA - there was a whole angle around Foley being freaked out about Hogan being in TNA which somehow spun into a feud with Bischoff The whole angle though was Foley wanting to speak with Hogan and honestly - I don't remember if it ever happened on camera 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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