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Wasn’t the working theory about EC3 getting shit on being because he couldn’t get over as a babyface on house shows working Dean Ambrose? Like, he beat Ambrose the one week on Raw, then after that he fell off a cliff. Mox said on Jericho’s podcast that Vince was pissed about the live audiences reaction to EC3...

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So an unknown natural heel fails to get over as a face (against a top star whose heel turn isn't taking and nobody wants to boo), and it's not the booking's fault? Seems legit.

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9 minutes ago, AxB said:

So an unknown natural heel fails to get over as a face (against a top star whose heel turn isn't taking and nobody wants to boo), and it's not the booking's fault? Seems legit.

And it was when Mox was on his leaving WWE tour.

So no way he was getting booed

Edited by Morganti

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4 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

what is in your opinion the best CZW Cage of Death matches? I remember watching one non ROH/CZW Cage of Death years ago, and thinking it was cool

I remember the Hi-V vs Zandig's Army being good as well as the Blkout vs Chris Ca$h team, that one had Jack Evan's nearly killing himself

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15 minutes ago, AxB said:

So an unknown natural heel fails to get over as a face (against a top star whose heel turn isn't taking and nobody wants to boo), and it's not the booking's fault? Seems legit.

WWE "creative" in a nutshell right there. 

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3 hours ago, Brian Fowler said:

I mean, Vince is pushing Baron Corbin, apparently because he's kinda tall

I like how wrestling is so weird that that 6'8" is only "kinda tall." Dude's a giant everywhere except wrestling and basketball. 

Edited by West Newbury Bad Boy

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Well, it's not short, but he's also not 6'8" anywhere but wrestling. Northwest Missouri State listed him at 6'6"

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fowler said:

Well, it's not short, but he's also not 6'8" anywhere but wrestling. Northwest Missouri State listed him at 6'6"

Huh. So that's what Shawn's teaching these kids at the PC. 

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1 hour ago, just drew said:

Wasn’t the working theory about EC3 getting shit on being because he couldn’t get over as a babyface on house shows working Dean Ambrose? Like, he beat Ambrose the one week on Raw, then after that he fell off a cliff. Mox said on Jericho’s podcast that Vince was pissed about the live audiences reaction to EC3...

I thought I heard the working theory was that they hired EC3, but once they hired him to the main roster they remembered "oh, it's Derrick Bateman? I hated that dude. Job him out."

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Since complaining about Joey Ryan is now passe, do we have a resident "I don't care for Orange Cassidy" person yet? If not, I volunteer. I thought I like funny wrestling, but I cannot handle that much ironic detachment.

I feel like I'm Bruno Kirby talking about music in Good Morning Vietnam and recommending a nice polka or some Perry Como over the Beach Boys.

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14 hours ago, L_W_P said:

 

Fuck, KENTA was booked like shit for years in NXT/205 & look at the hype for him jumping to NJPW.

 

You actually think the fans in Japan or even fans in general would hold his WWE against him? I'm sure if Tozawa came in to NJPW or any other top Japanese Promotion he'd have a ton a fanfare. If they got a chance to get over they'd be bigger legends once they returned but the other Indie guys like Kieth Lee, ACH and guys like that have more to lose by not getting over, At this point even Adam Cole has had a well enough run in NXT that if he got called up and didn't get over, fans outside of WWE wouldn't hold it against him and he'd be a bigger star than before he left.

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53 minutes ago, SorceressKnight said:

I thought I heard the working theory was that they hired EC3, but once they hired him to the main roster they remembered "oh, it's Derrick Bateman? I hated that dude. Job him out."

seems likely

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2 hours ago, AxB said:

So an unknown natural heel fails to get over as a face (against a top star whose heel turn isn't taking and nobody wants to boo), and it's not the booking's fault? Seems legit.

Hey, I think it’s dumb too. It’s just a theory I saw enough places to wonder if it had legs.

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5 hours ago, Ziggy said:

You actually think the fans in Japan or even fans in general would hold his WWE against him? I'm sure if Tozawa came in to NJPW or any other top Japanese Promotion he'd have a ton a fanfare. If they got a chance to get over they'd be bigger legends once they returned but the other Indie guys like Kieth Lee, ACH and guys like that have more to lose by not getting over, At this point even Adam Cole has had a well enough run in NXT that if he got called up and didn't get over, fans outside of WWE wouldn't hold it against him and he'd be a bigger star than before he left.

I don't see any fan of promotions outside of WWE holding a "failed run" against someone returning to the indies or going to AEW. WWE is booked for an audience of one, and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, that's just too bad. I would hope that wrestlers leaving WWE won't get backlash for trying to do their job by making chicken salad out of chicken shit. I think only the most blind WWE loyalist sees it as failure, but they're mostly troglodytes anyway. You want proof? Check out some of the wrestling groups on Facebook.

Edited by Nice Guy Eddie

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1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

Since complaining about Joey Ryan is now passe, do we have a resident "I don't care for Orange Cassidy" person yet? If not, I volunteer. I thought I like funny wrestling, but I cannot handle that much ironic detachment.

I feel like I'm Bruno Kirby talking about music in Good Morning Vietnam and recommending a nice polka or some Perry Como over the Beach Boys.

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You may have some competition there, mainly from me. I haven't gotten too deep into my dislike for him, mainly because he seems pretty well liked here but just seeing him infuriates me, let alone seeing him "wrestle."

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I think Aerostar finally fucking killed himself tonight live on Twitch after doing his scaffolding spot.

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12 minutes ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

I think Aerostar finally fucking killed himself tonight live on Twitch after doing his scaffolding spot.

Scary

Edited by matt925

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Roy posted the super slow motion gif...

He hit his head on the concrete!

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Well, his velocity was broken a little by hitting the guy and he tucked it somewhat, but that looks very un-fun. Where the fuck were other people to help catch him?

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Also, any dislike of Orange Cassidy for any reason gets you on my future shame list. It doesn't matter who you are. I will spare no mild annoyance at you!

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3 hours ago, LoneWolf&Subs said:

Roy posted the super slow motion gif...

He hit his head on the concrete!

Am I safe to assume he kicked out at 2?

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2 minutes ago, iowanole said:

Am I safe to assume he kicked out at 2?

He never got back in the ring. Was carried to the back by the trainers on a stretcher. AAA says he’s okay, but we might need more official info. AAA themselves aren’t the most reliable sources.

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9 minutes ago, Ryan said:

 Where the fuck were other people to help catch him?

Or better yet, dudes that are supposed to catch him could say "Dumb Fuck, that is a stupid, egregiously unnecessary spot. Kill yourself on your own time. I don't need a separated shoulder or a concussion for your glory!"

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9 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Also, any dislike of Orange Cassidy for any reason gets you on my future shame list. It doesn't matter who you are. I will spare no mild annoyance at you!

I've seen the Tommy Dreamer spot in the Casino Royle, and that three gifs where he wrestled with his hands in his pocket. Whats the gimmick? What matches should I watch? I would like to form an opinion.

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Off topic request: I’m looking for an old Austin Aries vs. Kenny Omega match from 2009 is have  ROH on HDNet. I vaguely remember it because Aries was wrestling for both of them and bumping like a madman. Is this anywhere online? Omega looked super young.

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