odessasteps Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Someone morally opposed to zoos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I want to be Rusev. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Forbes just did a story on this a few hours ago, so I imagine other mainstream outlets aren't too far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Dave cut an epic promo on this during the latest radio show. I hope something positive comes from this massive outing. (Cue Eddie with his Seinfeld "Outed!? I wasn't even in!") He can't just sit in Bermuda, watching rugby and porn, while flying to Smackdown once a week (as great as that may seem to some people) without facing any repercussion from this whole thing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Good lord, r/SquaredCircle is being flooded with numerous posts questioning the legitimacy of Meltzer's reporting over the years, basically accusing him of being fake news most of the time and speculative guessing based on rumors and betting odds. If a McMahon wasn't working in the White House, I'd almost think these month old (or less) accounts are just hired disinformation "bots" .... but that would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 The other thing we learned this weekend from wrestling fans is that we don't mind all that much when people being an asshole to other we don't like. Seems like the #2 apologist reason besides the "what happened to men being men" bullshit is that Mauro kind of sucked on Smackdown so if it means we get Tom Phillips then so be it. Granted I was not a fan of him on Smackdown with this 2 minute metaphors that made little sense but still. Although I guess this isn't too surprising a take. I mean stories of Benoit's bullying were worse than JBL at times and we didn't seem to have an issue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Obvious contra-argument would be "Yeah and given how well that turned out, let's all agree not to make that mistake again." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 4 hours ago, hammerva said: The other thing we learned this weekend from wrestling fans is that we don't mind all that much when people being an asshole to other we don't like. Seems like the #2 apologist reason besides the "what happened to men being men" bullshit is that Mauro kind of sucked on Smackdown so if it means we get Tom Phillips then so be it. Granted I was not a fan of him on Smackdown with this 2 minute metaphors that made little sense but still. Although I guess this isn't too surprising a take. I mean stories of Benoit's bullying were worse than JBL at times and we didn't seem to have an issue with that Tom "Face Fuck Your Shit" Phillips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Isn't the moral of the story that when you have a twenty year history of being shitty to the weak, inexperienced, and/or powerless you don't get the benefit of the doubt? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 30 minutes ago, nate said: Tom "Face Fuck Your Shit" Phillips? As disturbing mixed metaphors go... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidGoldBomb Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 So JBL is stealing passports and Brian Kendrick's cruiserweight gimmick too? This thread is severely lacking any sort of information or evidence of anything at all, regarding JBL being a bully. Does anyone have any specific information or links about what actually happened with any of this nonsensical story? Anyone got the Observer info on the subject mater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I can't help but think Meltzer's anger at this incident rings hollow. I mean, he's had to have been sitting on decades of hearing about JBL's bullying before this, right? Why is this the incident the straw that breaks the camel's back? I can't shake the feeling it seems like a lot of manufactured fake outrage. I mean, it's good if he gets WWE to do something about it, but going after guys like Coachman seems like virtue signaling overkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Overly Critical Man said: I can't help but think Meltzer's anger at this incident rings hollow. I mean, he's had to have been sitting on decades of hearing about JBL's bullying before this, right? Why is this the incident the straw that breaks the camel's back? I can't shake the feeling it seems like a lot of manufactured fake outrage. I mean, it's good if he gets WWE to do something about it, but going after guys like Coachman seems like virtue signaling overkill. It reminded Meltzer of the time when he was in the 4th grade and someone picked a fight with a handicapped kid and he didn't help, he just stood there chanting "Fight!!! Fight!!!" My opinion on JBL....what a fucking dweeb. Guy is like 55 and still pulling this shit. I used to see him when I worked at the Fox building in NYC and the security guys all hated him and would make it as difficult as possible for him to get into the building. These guys would see someone like Geraldo Rivera coming and run to get the door and help him get in and carry his shit. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 10 hours ago, PetrolCB said: Dave cut an epic promo on this during the latest radio show. I hope something positive comes from this massive outing. (Cue Eddie with his Seinfeld "Outed!? I wasn't even in!") He can't just sit in Bermuda, watching rugby and porn, while flying to Raw once a week (as great as that may seem to some people) without facing any repercussion from this whole thing. I couldn't find that exact scene from "The Outing", just a bunch of other ones and the full episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 If the Duke 'The Dumpster' Droese story is true, I'll still have a little bit of sympathy for JBL, but perhaps that says more about me than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Overly Critical Man said: I can't help but think Meltzer's anger at this incident rings hollow. I mean, he's had to have been sitting on decades of hearing about JBL's bullying before this, right? Why is this the incident the straw that breaks the camel's back? I can't shake the feeling it seems like a lot of manufactured fake outrage. I mean, it's good if he gets WWE to do something about it, but going after guys like Coachman seems like virtue signaling overkill. I agree. No doubt if we've heard numerous stories, Meltzer is sitting on the mother load. I can appreciate not wanting to talk in case he discusses something that proves false and winds up getting sued for it. Still, it feels dishonest to go for the jugular now when we're still not entirely sure what happened with Mauro. JBL is a jerk, that's for sure. But why suddenly is that no longer acceptable? Based on that, he should have been gone years ago. I'm not arguing against that, mind you. Just looking for consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 There are a lot of parallels with the JBL stuff and the recent takedown of some public figures. (ie Bill Cosby and Bill O'Reilly) Many of the allegations were kind of an open secret. Then an event occurs, little different than what occurred previously. But this time the result is this huge groundswell. Inevitably, there are people who arent in any way defenders of the alleged perpetrators actions wondering aloud, "why the hell is all of this happening now." It's a strange dichotomy. A public takedown of someone who arguably deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I certainly see your point, @JohnnyJ. But I go back to what I thought regarding Cosby's downfall: what, 30-40 years of rape and abuse just now started to bother TPTB? What does that say about them? And us as a society for turning our eyes away from such? A strange dichotomy, to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said: I certainly see your point, @JohnnyJ. But I go back to what I thought regarding Cosby's downfall: what, 30-40 years of rape and abuse just now started to bother TPTB? What does that say about them? And us as a society for turning our eyes away from such? A strange dichotomy, to be sure. Blame the people who knew, but I don't understand how you can blame society for not knowing about Cosby. The knowledge of what he was accused of was kept under wraps to the point where the general public didn't know. All it took was one comment by another comedian and suddenly it came to the public's attention. When people knew you see just how fast the walls came crashing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Burgundy LaRue said: I agree. No doubt if we've heard numerous stories, Meltzer is sitting on the mother load. I can appreciate not wanting to talk in case he discusses something that proves false and winds up getting sued for it. Still, it feels dishonest to go for the jugular now when we're still not entirely sure what happened with Mauro. JBL is a jerk, that's for sure. But why suddenly is that no longer acceptable? Based on that, he should have been gone years ago. I'm not arguing against that, mind you. Just looking for consistency. Couple of points... First, Meltzer has received numerous stories from current and former WWE talent/employees since the Mauro stuff went down. It's not as if Dave continued receiving these tales over the years and just did and said nothing. More importantly, and he brought this up during his rant, he's not going to betray the trust of those who confided in him unless they want to go public. He even said that he's coming forward with all of this now and what his feelings are now, but what good does it do if others don't go public and risk backlash from WWE and their peers. He said that Roberts was one of the only ones to go public (Johnny Mundo was another) and it's going to take more than that for others in the media to care about their own little wrestling world. Second, Meltzer has gone back and forth on really talking about this at length until the influx of stories mentioned above were received and until JBL went and came off like a gigantic asshole on Twitter. Was there any reason whatsoever for JBL to misconstrue what Roberts said and then add on that everyone hated Roberts? Why? Why even say any of that? Like Meltzer said, JBL could have at least apologized for making comments that could have contributed to hurting Mauro, there are no hard feelings on his end, and he hopes that Mauro will be well enough again in time. Instead he made a cursory get well soon remark. Third, sometimes it takes a catalyst for those to take up a cause. Until it affects someone they know, it's not that important or it's not a fight worth fighting for. That's a character flaw for most anyone. We're all human. In the past, many kept quiet about this sort of thing, but where there's smoke, there's often fire, and we at least have been witness to JBL's verbal harassment of Mauro on Twitter, on the WWE Network, and on SDL. You can say that it's under the guise of JBL being in character, but if you know someone is that sensitive, why continue to needle them in that way unless you just can't help yourself from going after an easy target? That appears to be the catalyst for many, Meltzer included, to finally say "no more" and take a stand against what they see as a huge hypocritical wrong in the WWE, ie Be a Star. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 52 minutes ago, Roman said: If the Duke 'The Dumpster' Droese story is true, I'll still have a little bit of sympathy for JBL, but perhaps that says more about me than anything else. What story is that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Still sounds to me like Vince doesn't like Mauro and "sicced" JBL on him. Encouraging, hell, even ordering bullying would be a step above simply letting it slide. That's one good thing about a lot of mainstream websites covering wrestling these days, for fair or foul - they know this kind of shit will get clicks, so they'll look into it. The Deadspin thing Bix did was huge. Somebody like Rolling Stone will follow up and this will get some national traction. And I'd say someone at ESPN correctly realized that there's simply no way Coachman could ever be seen as objective about the WWE or be seen as anything but a shill for the WWE, so they're distancing him from their coverage of the WWE to protect their reputation as a legitimate news organization. That was Meltzer's issue with Coachman - he's supposed to, as a news figure, be reporting the news instead of just saying "I never saw it, it didn't happen." He's saying if you're gonna cover the fluffy stuff about WWE, cover the bad stuff, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Not blaming society. Just for our general blasé attitude toward such behavior. We tolerate the wrong things in our world. Myself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 JBL's apparently blocking everyone who criticizes him AND those who are tweeting support to Mauro. Cool. Also, from Meltz on the f4w board: Quote "You can go round and round in circles. I presume the "he hasn't done anything in ten years" crowd, based on who is in it, are mostly in gimmick mode since many routinely look like fools at the end of every story like this. But for those not in gimmick, the ten years is not a hill worth dying on. And you will die on it. You can argue other things all day long. I'm just giving friendly advice, like I have from the very start of this when people claimed I was making things up and wildly speculating because I said the original stories weren't accurate or the ones clinging to the wild speculation version when even they know now there was never any speculation on this story." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 So i just read that JBL blocked the Young Bucks on Twitter. I wasn't going to rush to judgement until i heard the whole story, but this has put it over the top for me and i have decided that JBL is a cunt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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