Burgundy LaRue Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Harry Smith had some really good matches at the 2013 G1, but they might have been overlooked because of how solid that tournament was as a whole. Pretty awesome about Rollins at the Daily Show, by the way. Good for him. Good to see him get some exposure. I like your style. You don't dick around. 6
Skeeball Wizard Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Harry Smith had some really good matches at the 2013 G1, but they might have been overlooked because of how solid that tournament was as a whole. Pretty awesome about Rollins at the Daily Show, by the way. Good for him. Good to see him get some exposure. I like your style. You don't dick around. I feel like a real boner for missing that joke at first. 1
caley Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I think I read somewhere that Murdoch was a trucker now, which seems right even if it's not. EDIT: Still on the go! That outfit that the ring announcer is wearing IS pro wrestling. 1
Cobra Commander Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 And also, the WWE's champions list since the Hogan era includes Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddy Guerrero, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Edge, Jeff Hardy and Daniel Bryan. None of those guys are bodybuilders at all Can we get past the "Vince only likes muscle guys?" talking point that any shred of evidence shows is false? Please. Most of the guys in that list got roided up in order to qualify for a world title push. One of them was so roided up he died. Get out of here with this disingenuous bullshit. by most, you mean 3/4 of 12? (Mysterio/Benoit/Guerrero for sure, i'd imagine Michaels/Jericho/Edge did some stuff on occasion pre-title but not to the point of being roided up)
Zheroen Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 It's not blind zealotry and Bryan fandom that has people annoyed with the degree to which they are pushing Reigns. It's frustration with the fact that Vince is digging his heels in and trying to push his vision with a guy that just isn't clicking with the audience (at least not to main event caliber), while seemingly going out of their way to cool off others who like Cesaro (I'm talking pre-affiliation with Heyman), Ziggler, even Orton. What's the rush on making Roman the guy right here and now? If he's the future of the business, then you can afford to cultivate an organic following. This is where your view point falls apart and gives off the impression of blind zealotry even if it isn't true. You are complaining about the degree they are pushing Reigns while saying they should have done with Bryan. It makes no sense. The issue should be that they should have been treated the same. Everyone complains about the bad booking of Cesaro. It is something that should be fixed across the board. That is how you get people over. Reigns is one of the times they are actually getting it right. Should be done more often. It only falls apart if you are rating Reigns and Bryan on even footing for some reason. Bryan has already main-evented Wrestlemania, won the World Title twice, and had established himself as the most over face among the majority of the crowd. Reigns hasn't even been active as a singles wrestler on the main roster for a full year.
Phantom Lord Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 What I've taken from the last page is Roman Reign should use THE POUNCE....AHHHH as his finisher over the spear. A running shoulder block that could send a guy into the second row is way better than the running hug that has become the WWE's standard.
IHFP Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 And also, the WWE's champions list since the Hogan era includes Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddy Guerrero, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Edge, Jeff Hardy and Daniel Bryan. None of those guys are bodybuilders at all Can we get past the "Vince only likes muscle guys?" talking point that any shred of evidence shows is false? Please. Most of the guys in that list got roided up in order to qualify for a world title push. One of them was so roided up he died. Get out of here with this disingenuous bullshit. by most, you mean 3/4 of 12? (Mysterio/Benoit/Guerrero for sure, i'd imagine Michaels/Jericho/Edge did some stuff on occasion pre-title but not to the point of being roided up) 8/12 have either been caught or admitted to taking steroids. Bret Hart talks about his steroid use during his run in his book, Shawn Michaels was a heavy user during his run at the top considering how average his physique usually is (muscle wise). I get that there is a difference between roided up guys and guys who dabbled or use only minor amounts, but there does appear to be a minimum level of physique required to get the belt. Considering a majority of that list has at least dabbled it's not hard to see that most WWE wrestlers consider them a necessity and it's not too unreasonable to believe that Vince very strongly favors muscle guys to the point that it takes 10X more effort to get the belt with an average physique. If it wasn't for Vince I highly doubt Rey, Shawn, Eddie, Bret, Edge, or Hardy would have ever considered using.
SorceressKnight Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 What I've taken from the last page is Roman Reign should use THE POUNCE....AHHHH as his finisher over the spear. A running shoulder block that could send a guy into the second row is way better than the running hug that has become the WWE's standard. Wouldn't the Superman Punch be just a modified, badder version of the same thing (both running, jumping strikes, with one actually being a punch so it looks better than the shoulder block sometimes looked?)
Cobra Commander Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 maybe a slight exaggeration to say that Bret Hart, who spent years around the Dynamite Kid pre-WWF, wasn't ever gonna consider using steroids if not for Vince. The business asks 3 contradictory things: 1) look athletic 2) be healthy near constantly 3) travel from town to town and do 5 shows a week. Some entities lead people to steroids to become better looking, some lead people to do drugs to heal injuries or handle pain. The WWE gives you an opening to do both simultaneously.
bobholly138 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Anyone know if Bu Ku Doa is still signed with the WWE? He just worked a match for Reality of Wrestling, so I'm wondering if he just hasn't reported yet. He got cut around the time Willie Mack got cut. But I heard he was told they would resign him again. Something with budget cuts. Since coming back he has been working all over. Wildkat,some group out of Pensacola FL. And now ROW. Heard Curt Matthews and Purple Haze have worked ROW shows recently.
BurningBeard Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 In another time and another place, Cade and Murdoch would've been a great team. But they partnered in WWE... in mid-00s
BurningBeard Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Watching Clash VI... I wish Great Muta and Gary Hart had been around longer, he sticks out like a sore thumb as everything is so unique. In fact, if they'd been in WWF do you think it would have been better or worse? NWA kinda dropped the ball with him
rzombie1988 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I like Harry Smith, I still wanna see tape of what he did in Billy Corgan's promotion, but I'd have to imagine his ceiling is the level Tyson is at now in WWE's opinion, or they wouldve never released him. Yeah, you may be right, but I swear his best match ever was the 2013 match where he and Archer first won the NWA tag titles in Houston. I was there in person, but I don't think it's ever found it's way online. Ever since, I've been a big supporter of both. Such a great tag match. He was really good in the G1 2013 and he can clearly hang with the top guys, but he honestly has no real charisma or character to him, which will always be his downfall. I think he could have gone a little further if he had been where he is at now in NJPW in the mid-2000's or before, but the upper midcard is his best bet.
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Too small, can't talk. And as far as being a manager goes, that's not good. That's like the whole point. Poor Gary. 1
Dolfan in NYC Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 Seth Rollins just showed up on the Daily Show to challenge Jon Stewart to appear on Raw on Monday. avec video... 1
Godfrey Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I agree with most guys you said were missed opportunities, especially Shelton Benjamin who I feel was almost hurt by his ability to do ridiculous spots with ladders so they only remembered he existed when they needed one of those. But I've never seen the appeal Carlito. He really stunk.
Technico Support Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Also on the subject of small guys all roided up, didn't Adrian Nevelle (PAC) used to be a scrawny guy back in his European wrestling days. I see him now and all that muscle mass he has just looks so disproportionate to his body. He generated that mass during his stint in Dragon Gate. I remember him showing up to wrestle Steen in PWG and fans were chanting "you got huge" and "PAC Lesnar." It's also a match I specifically recall for "THIS IS WRESTLING, YOU FUCKFACE!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWEpbBjJ4g 1
Patrick B. Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Murdoch worked an indy show in my area a few weeks ago. Still does that wacky redneck Code Red, too.
mattdangerously Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Watching Clash VI... I wish Great Muta and Gary Hart had been around longer, he sticks out like a sore thumb as everything is so unique. In fact, if they'd been in WWF do you think it would have been better or worse? NWA kinda dropped the ball with him He probably would have been about as successful as Hakushi was during his run. Maybe less, since Hakushi at least had Bret on his side, but Bret wasn't high enough on the card to help anyone out during Muta's stateside run.
Mister TV Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Watching Clash VI... I wish Great Muta and Gary Hart had been around longer, he sticks out like a sore thumb as everything is so unique. In fact, if they'd been in WWF do you think it would have been better or worse? NWA kinda dropped the ball with him I could see Muta with Hart having a great house show run with Savage or Warrior when they were champs, Muta v. Savage could have been a classic feud, he would have been the perfect guy to bring in for the Warrior after he won the belt and after either of those feuds he could have moved down the card and feuded with Jake Roberts before heading back to Japan.
JohnnyJ Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 When I was a kid Muta stuck out like a sore thumb. He was clearly something special. The guy was doing sick moonsaults at a time when wrestlers had kick/punch offense. If given the chance, he would've been huge. As far as missed opportunities go, all you have to do is look at the current roster. The roster is so talented that just about anyone who isn't over should be and would be if they were given some tlc. Outside of d young, axel and the ascension I can make an argument for every single performer.
TerjeRUN Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Muta was huge though. Or do you mean in the States? He was still pretty hot here for a time though. Elsewhere, I've just read the full Daniel Bryan piece Dave wrote. Fucking hell, that was a depressing read and it's all pretty spot on. WWE have successfully depressed it's own audience. 2
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