Cristobal Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 See, I can get "people getting weirded the fuck out" and "people not getting other people getting weirded the fuck out". It's where it all becomes Kenny Omega's fault that I get lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 inspired by someone noting how the SNMEs put the strong stuff first (which was obvious, based on time slot)... most shows put the strong stuff last. How many other promotions/shows went either with SNME "strong stuff first" or with an approach where the most important matches could be anywhere during the show? I never got Hardcore TV when it was on, but I heard the format varied enough that they wouldn't have the same general layout every week. Mid-South was the only fed to explicitly say "we have stand-by matches if the main event goes short", right? i've mentioned enjoying what i've seen (decades later) of Mid-South TV, I think. The early Raws were like this. I'm going through 1994, and I find it hard to keep interest past the halfway point, because it's 1. Awesome main event match, 2. PPV control center 3. Squashes 4. Possible lesser main event or Kings Court. I love squashes but not AFTER the main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I've been watching old stuff a lot and Damnit,i love jobber matches. a perfect way to establish your stars. I can't believe they ever let Kofi beat anyone nowadays, we need that's stuff back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The difference between violence against kids/women in movies and wrestling is that (unless you're John Landis, etc) a movie set is a very controlled environment, monitored by EMTs, child welfare, etc. and a wrestling ring is not. There's also the simulated/real violence argument. For the record, I was not OK with Hit Girl AT ALL, but especially when she was getting the crap beat out of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 My one wanted to watch a bloody brawl so I loaded up the Foley/Edge vs Dreamer/Funk match and he loved the fuck out of out....until Edge simulated raping Beulah, he turned it right off and didn't even watch the finish.I tried explaining these guys villains, and he'll watch any nasty torture horror movie but he couldn't deal with it in wrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I know for myself, a huge reason why I could never get into the divas division is because my brain just doesn't want to watch women getting hurt. This kind of worked violence isn't offensive, its just something id rather not have to witness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarr Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Weird that anyone would ask themselves that, to be honest... But, I'm passing on tonight's PPV too. The first one since the launch of the Network that I won't be watching live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? Your a bad fan that they dropped the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? It'll be worth it for Cena being laid out by Brock at the end and Ambrose/Rollins has all the potential in the world to be one of the matches of the year, it feels the most important match on the show. I didn't know so many people were so uptight about watching wrestling, jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Weak Machine Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax". 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? It'll be worth it for Cena being laid out by Brock at the end and Ambrose/Rollins has all the potential in the world to be one of the matches of the year, it feels the most important match on the show. I didn't know so many people were so uptight about watching wrestling, jeez. Seriously. A bunch of care lords out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? I'm going to a homeowner's association meeting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax". Just to be clear....because sarcasm is hard... I was being a bit sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The biggest problem with wrestling's perception can be summed up when people ask a fan if they know it's not real. No one ever just thinks you're watching it as they would a normal TV show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'll pop in on Battleground since y'all say there is a Rollins/Ambrose match. Based on what I've seen, is Ambrose going to be yet another guy who's push won't match the reactions he is getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Probably, unless someone gets hurt and they have to use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 inspired by someone noting how the SNMEs put the strong stuff first (which was obvious, based on time slot)... most shows put the strong stuff last. How many other promotions/shows went either with SNME "strong stuff first" or with an approach where the most important matches could be anywhere during the show? I never got Hardcore TV when it was on, but I heard the format varied enough that they wouldn't have the same general layout every week. Mid-South was the only fed to explicitly say "we have stand-by matches if the main event goes short", right? i've mentioned enjoying what i've seen (decades later) of Mid-South TV, I think. Stand-by matches were a staple of territory wrestling TV shows. I think it was the territories' way to put it into our heads that the matches could end at any time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buy Me a Burrito Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I lost a few friends over the booking of Monday Nitro back in the 90s. They were shoe salesmen and objected to Hogan constantly being hit by Woman's high heels. They thought it was really insensitive to the women with fallen arches who couldn't wear heels. It's really sad, because they were going to take me for a ride in a zeppelin. Also, I'm watching the first Flair/Hogan match on the Network. Holy fuck, both of those guys were in great shape. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 inspired by someone noting how the SNMEs put the strong stuff first (which was obvious, based on time slot)... most shows put the strong stuff last. How many other promotions/shows went either with SNME "strong stuff first" or with an approach where the most important matches could be anywhere during the show? I never got Hardcore TV when it was on, but I heard the format varied enough that they wouldn't have the same general layout every week. Mid-South was the only fed to explicitly say "we have stand-by matches if the main event goes short", right? i've mentioned enjoying what i've seen (decades later) of Mid-South TV, I think. Stand-by matches were a staple of territory wrestling TV shows. I think it was the territories' way to put it into our heads that the matches could end at any time. WCW did it as well in the late 80s. I remember hearing it during one of the Steamboat/Flair matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The biggest problem with wrestling's perception can be summed up when people ask a fan if they know it's not real. No one ever just thinks you're watching it as they would a normal TV show. I've gotten pretty good at turning that one around in my old age and making them feel like the dumbass. If you're at all familiar with their TV viewing habits, asking them if they think whatever bullshit reality show they're into is "real" usually puts an end to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'll pop in on Battleground since y'all say there is a Rollins/Ambrose match. Based on what I've seen, is Ambrose going to be yet another guy who's push won't match the reactions he is getting? Hard to say. On one hand, they're clearly high on all the Shield guys, based on how they've been treated since being brought up to the main roster. On the other hand, Ambrose is definitely the odd man out when it comes to long term booking, as he's the only one they don't seem to be grooming to move up the ladder any further than where he is now. But Ambrose is so good on the mic that it's hard to imagine they won't elevate him at some point, since I really think that talking is the skill they value most in potential main eventers. He just needs to have that one breaktrough moment--his "Austin 3:16," if you will--to really grab everyone's attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ambrose 80085 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'm not planning on watching Battleground live either, but I'll check out the Wyatt Family/Uso's, Jericho/Wyatt, and Ambrose/Rollins probably tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? I'm going to a homeowner's association meeting. Your mission: use the phrase "It's what's best for the Association." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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