Lamp, broken circa 1988 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 but i dont know why i'm explaining this to y'all anymore like you get what not knowing nerds is like Careful. You're on the verge of going from "sympathetic guy whose former friends turned out to be twats" to "twat who used to hang out with other twats." Fair enough, and I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated and out of ways to explain it when it's all pretty obvious to me. Dropping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'm not at all trying to be a jerk... But it makes absolutely no sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp, broken circa 1988 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I think the problem might be a false equivalence with wrestling as being an acceptably broad medium like film. Most people understand that film is capable of expressing and showing a lot of varied, horrifying things. People's ideas of wrestling is not broad like that, which is a function of how wrestling portrays itself 99% of the time. Not that I'm wishing wrestling would express that, because that's Chikara, and I have already pissed off enough people today without bringing up my feelings on Chikara. So for someone's exposure of wrestling to go from "wrestling is the thing with hulk hogan, right" to a grown man roundhouse kicking a child is thoroughly jarring. I don't blame him for being taken aback or for having the worst first impression of it. In a similar situation I would probably feel the same way, to the point where I don't know for sure if I could be cool with knowing someone who might be into that. It's unfortunate, but it happened years ago. People come and go. It's best to accept it. okay now that my last note on the subject is more rational, NOW i'm dropping it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 inspired by someone noting how the SNMEs put the strong stuff first (which was obvious, based on time slot)... most shows put the strong stuff last. How many other promotions/shows went either with SNME "strong stuff first" or with an approach where the most important matches could be anywhere during the show? I never got Hardcore TV when it was on, but I heard the format varied enough that they wouldn't have the same general layout every week. Mid-South was the only fed to explicitly say "we have stand-by matches if the main event goes short", right? i've mentioned enjoying what i've seen (decades later) of Mid-South TV, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 WWE does that with Main Event. Not sure why they still do that but when it was on Ion it made perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yeah, I reckon there's more to it that you're not telling us. People just want a nice justification to a decision that's already made well in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Wrestling isn't the only thing where the uninitiated will get needlessly offended by things that really are perfectly fine. Depending on your line of work, or friends, you have to be careful about lots of things. Don't tell people you like "How did this get made" because if one of your coworkers listens and hears Jason Mantzoukas make an outrageous sex joke you're suddenly Jack the Ripper. Don't tell people you like horror movies beyond say PARANORMAL ACTIVITY because if one of your in-laws sees a slasher movie you're suddenly a stone cold psychopath. There's just a lot of people who can't handle a lot of stuff and who don't have the imagination to know when they're in the presence of something they are not quite getting. Some people can't think in layers. They see what they think they see on the surface and pass judgement based on that. Reality for them is a flat line...no depth. Everything is literal and art is merely a simple avatar of morality. It is either uplifting or it is immoral. Unfortunately making your way through the world means taking careful measure of who can deal with what. That Omega match was hilarious. But getting that means you have to be able to at least have an experienced enough eye to see how well she is performing and how well they are working together. You have to already be in the habit of enjoying wrestling as an exhibition of acrobatics and psychology. And that's just too advanced for most people. And the only troubling thing about that kid was how good she is. She's clearly spending waaaaaaay too much of her time working in wrestling gyms and not on, like, spelling and shit. By the time she's an adult she's going to be a hardened ring thug. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 See, I can get "people getting weirded the fuck out" and "people not getting other people getting weirded the fuck out". It's where it all becomes Kenny Omega's fault that I get lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 inspired by someone noting how the SNMEs put the strong stuff first (which was obvious, based on time slot)... most shows put the strong stuff last. How many other promotions/shows went either with SNME "strong stuff first" or with an approach where the most important matches could be anywhere during the show? I never got Hardcore TV when it was on, but I heard the format varied enough that they wouldn't have the same general layout every week. Mid-South was the only fed to explicitly say "we have stand-by matches if the main event goes short", right? i've mentioned enjoying what i've seen (decades later) of Mid-South TV, I think. The early Raws were like this. I'm going through 1994, and I find it hard to keep interest past the halfway point, because it's 1. Awesome main event match, 2. PPV control center 3. Squashes 4. Possible lesser main event or Kings Court. I love squashes but not AFTER the main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I've been watching old stuff a lot and Damnit,i love jobber matches. a perfect way to establish your stars. I can't believe they ever let Kofi beat anyone nowadays, we need that's stuff back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The difference between violence against kids/women in movies and wrestling is that (unless you're John Landis, etc) a movie set is a very controlled environment, monitored by EMTs, child welfare, etc. and a wrestling ring is not. There's also the simulated/real violence argument. For the record, I was not OK with Hit Girl AT ALL, but especially when she was getting the crap beat out of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbat Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 My one wanted to watch a bloody brawl so I loaded up the Foley/Edge vs Dreamer/Funk match and he loved the fuck out of out....until Edge simulated raping Beulah, he turned it right off and didn't even watch the finish.I tried explaining these guys villains, and he'll watch any nasty torture horror movie but he couldn't deal with it in wrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I know for myself, a huge reason why I could never get into the divas division is because my brain just doesn't want to watch women getting hurt. This kind of worked violence isn't offensive, its just something id rather not have to witness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarr Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Weird that anyone would ask themselves that, to be honest... But, I'm passing on tonight's PPV too. The first one since the launch of the Network that I won't be watching live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? Your a bad fan that they dropped the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehabilitated Rick Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? It'll be worth it for Cena being laid out by Brock at the end and Ambrose/Rollins has all the potential in the world to be one of the matches of the year, it feels the most important match on the show. I didn't know so many people were so uptight about watching wrestling, jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Weak Machine Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax". 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? It'll be worth it for Cena being laid out by Brock at the end and Ambrose/Rollins has all the potential in the world to be one of the matches of the year, it feels the most important match on the show. I didn't know so many people were so uptight about watching wrestling, jeez. Seriously. A bunch of care lords out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yet another wrestling confession... I am having an awful time trying to convince myself to watch Battleground. The WWE had a month to sell me on it and they didn't. Am I a bad fan or did they drop the ball? I'm going to a homeowner's association meeting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax". Just to be clear....because sarcasm is hard... I was being a bit sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The biggest problem with wrestling's perception can be summed up when people ask a fan if they know it's not real. No one ever just thinks you're watching it as they would a normal TV show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'll pop in on Battleground since y'all say there is a Rollins/Ambrose match. Based on what I've seen, is Ambrose going to be yet another guy who's push won't match the reactions he is getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Probably, unless someone gets hurt and they have to use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 inspired by someone noting how the SNMEs put the strong stuff first (which was obvious, based on time slot)... most shows put the strong stuff last. How many other promotions/shows went either with SNME "strong stuff first" or with an approach where the most important matches could be anywhere during the show? I never got Hardcore TV when it was on, but I heard the format varied enough that they wouldn't have the same general layout every week. Mid-South was the only fed to explicitly say "we have stand-by matches if the main event goes short", right? i've mentioned enjoying what i've seen (decades later) of Mid-South TV, I think. Stand-by matches were a staple of territory wrestling TV shows. I think it was the territories' way to put it into our heads that the matches could end at any time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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