The Natural Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Let’s be having a November 2 Remember as we’re Striving to Survive! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 So, lately I've been thinking about Wrestling matches that take place largely or entirely nowhere near a Wrestling ring. Now I'm not necessarily talking about your Falls Count Anywhere arena brawl, or your FMW "Take me by the hair, and you can lead me though the Baseball Stadium"* wondering brawl. I'm talking more your actually stipulated Hollywood Backlot Brawl or Final Deletion type deal. They were very popular in the 90s, and obviously Matt Hardy has repopularised them pretty recently, and then WWE tried to give Bray Wyatt his gimmick, even before Matt rejoined WWE. So here's some of them I liked... I'm not going to do a top 5 or Best/ Worst or anything. In no order. Goldust vs Roddy Piper Hollywood Backlot Brawl: I liked this because it seemed a lot more like a real fight than anything else the WWE was doing at the time. And because it was a tribute to They Live which is a class movie. Everything up to Piper getting in the Ford Bronco was a really good fight. Everything after that was just silly. First half violent fight, second half comedy match, where Piper forgets to tear his wrist tape and it unspools continuously until it's all over everywhere. IWA Bath House Matches: Hard to work out what the rules exactly were with this one, but they liked the first one so much, they did another. Tarzan Goto and Mr Gannosuke vs The Headhunters, and then Goto and Gannosuke vs Shoji Nakamaki & Keisuke Yamada. Two guys wrestle while their partners sit in a hot tub and await the tag, but they keep putting extra logs in the fire so the heat becomes unbearable. Meanwhile they're Wrestling on a mat on the ground, but you don't win by pinfall or submission... but if you score a pinfall that gives you the right to go through the door into the Women's section of the bath house, and they brawl around their while loads of naked women scream and run away. It's weird. Eddy Guerrero vs John Cena Parking Lot Brawl: Because the WWE style is basically about frequent hard bumping, especially when the babyface is making their comeback. But in a match on concrete, surrounded by metal and glass, you can't bump that much, so you have to work a different style. Which sometimes the fans really appreciate a break from the homogeneity of everyone in the company working the same style in every match. Big Japan Market Stall brawl. In which the Japanese Kendo Nagasaki and his veteran friend beat up four of their trainees (including a young Ryuki Yamakawa, who has to go to hospital halfway through because his elbow gets fucked up) for half an hour. They go through the whole town, in and out of shops and they trash everything. Dustin Rhodes vs Blacktop Bully, King of the Road Cage Match. The only match to be censored on WCW Uncensored. * nb: At our primary school for some reason, they used to play the song Streets of London by Ralph McTell a lot. I don't know why. Perhaps they were trying to indoctrinate us kids into a Socialistic political philosophy. Perhaps they were trying to make us think London was a Godless hellhole, I don't know. But I heard it a whole lot of times. This has led me to thinking that it's a super well known song and that everyone will get a reference to it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 The one that immediately sprang to mind for me was that daft WCW scrapyard fight for the hardcore title. Fit Finlay nearly lost his leg IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, AxB said: So, lately I've been thinking about Wrestling matches that take place largely or entirely nowhere near a Wrestling ring. Now I'm not necessarily talking about your Falls Count Anywhere arena brawl, or your FMW "Take me by the hair, and you can lead me though the Baseball Stadium"* wondering brawl. I'm talking more your actually stipulated Hollywood Backlot Brawl or Final Deletion type deal. They were very popular in the 90s, and obviously Matt Hardy has repopularised them pretty recently, and then WWE tried to give Bray Wyatt his gimmick, even before Matt rejoined WWE. So here's some of them I liked... I'm not going to do a top 5 or Best/ Worst or anything. In no order. Goldust vs Roddy Piper Hollywood Backlot Brawl: I liked this because it seemed a lot more like a real fight than anything else the WWE was doing at the time. And because it was a tribute to They Live which is a class movie. Everything up to Piper getting in the Ford Bronco was a really good fight. Everything after that was just silly. First half violent fight, second half comedy match, where Piper forgets to tear his wrist tape and it unspools continuously until it's all over everywhere. IWA Bath House Matches: Hard to work out what the rules exactly were with this one, but they liked the first one so much, they did another. Tarzan Goto and Mr Gannosuke vs The Headhunters, and then Goto and Gannosuke vs Shoji Nakamaki & Keisuke Yamada. Two guys wrestle while their partners sit in a hot tub and await the tag, but they keep putting extra logs in the fire so the heat becomes unbearable. Meanwhile they're Wrestling on a mat on the ground, but you don't win by pinfall or submission... but if you score a pinfall that gives you the right to go through the door into the Women's section of the bath house, and they brawl around their while loads of naked women scream and run away. It's weird. Eddy Guerrero vs John Cena Parking Lot Brawl: Because the WWE style is basically about frequent hard bumping, especially when the babyface is making their comeback. But in a match on concrete, surrounded by metal and glass, you can't bump that much, so you have to work a different style. Which sometimes the fans really appreciate a break from the homogeneity of everyone in the company working the same style in every match. Big Japan Market Stall brawl. In which the Japanese Kendo Nagasaki and his veteran friend beat up four of their trainees (including a young Ryuki Yamakawa, who has to go to hospital halfway through because his elbow gets fucked up) for half an hour. They go through the whole town, in and out of shops and they trash everything. Dustin Rhodes vs Blacktop Bully, King of the Road Cage Match. The only match to be censored on WCW Uncensored. * nb: At our primary school for some reason, they used to play the song Streets of London by Ralph McTell a lot. I don't know why. Perhaps they were trying to indoctrinate us kids into a Socialistic political philosophy. Perhaps they were trying to make us think London was a Godless hellhole, I don't know. But I heard it a whole lot of times. This has led me to thinking that it's a super well known song and that everyone will get a reference to it. Maybe I overrate it a bit because I'm a Foley guy but for me the original Boiler Room Brawl is my personal favorite of these kinds of matches. The House of Horrors with Orton/Bray also gets a nod for it's unintentional comedy value. The same argument could be made for that crazy junkyard match at WCW BATB 99, but that's more of a "lol WCW spent how much?" kind of thing than any intrinsic value to the match. A more recent one I enjoyed was Chuck Taylor vs. ZSJ in a bar somewhere in I think Brooklyn, but I guess that was more of an ironic, art installation comedy kind of thing, but I had fun watching it and there were some pretty creative spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 There's hundreds of matches from micro Japanese indys that took place on mats without a ring. Survival Tobita made his career out of wrestling Ken the Box and monsters on mats in front of 40 fans in SPWC. Ice Ribbon's first couple of years were events on mats in a small venue in front of 25 fans. WALLABEE also matches on mats as they don't have a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, CreativeControl said: The one that immediately sprang to mind for me was that daft WCW scrapyard fight for the hardcore title. Fit Finlay nearly lost his leg IIRC I'm only chiming in because I always thought the same thing until re-watching that horrible match recently. Finlay actually got out of the junkyard match fine. It was a botched table spot at a house show weeks later that did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 AJ Styles has just cracked the top ten longest WWE Championship reigns ever: https://www.wwe.com/article/the-10-longest-wwe-championship-reigns-of-all-time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo Necro Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Edwin said: There's hundreds of matches from micro Japanese indys that took place on mats without a ring. Survival Tobita made his career out of wrestling Ken the Box and monsters on mats in front of 40 fans in SPWC. Ice Ribbon's first couple of years were events on mats in a small venue in front of 25 fans. WALLABEE also matches on mats as they don't have a ring. Survival Tobita is the man. I feel like I have seen a clip of Generico and Ibushi wrestling in a forest? Was this real? DDT maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, Ultimo Necro said: Survival Tobita is the man. I feel like I have seen a clip of Generico and Ibushi wrestling in a forest? Was this real? DDT maybe? Ah, yes. Good call on that one. There's also several DDT no ring campsite matches with the likes of Sanshiro Takagi, Kota Ibushi, Gota Ihashi, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 hours ago, sydneybrown said: I'm only chiming in because I always thought the same thing until re-watching that horrible match recently. Finlay actually got out of the junkyard match fine. It was a botched table spot at a house show weeks later that did it. Yup, but several other people got hurt in that match (I think Mikey Whipreck suffered a concussion for one). Even better is that the lighting was so poor nobody could see anything so these guys were killing themselves for nothing. Even better was that it was in a real shitty neighborhood and several guy's cars got broken into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaeBlazer Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Who could it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Jericho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 They should go big and try to steal away Triple H. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidNatural Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 My guess would be Finn Balor. Name value for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Balor, Nalamura, Bryan. I could see it being one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Supermarket brawl between Booker and Austin the clear winner here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Pro Wrestling Illustrated upped the 'Female 50' to the first 'Womens 100' this year. Typical all over the place PWI list rankings for the most part = 1. Ronda Rousey 2. Alexa Bliss 3. Charlotte Flair 4. Io Shirai 5. Asuka 6. Shayna Baszler 7. Carmella 8. Nia Jax 9. Mayu Iwatani 10. Kairi Sane 11. Becky Lynch 12. Sumie Sakai 13. Su Yung 14. Sasha Banks 15. Tessa Blanchard 16. Allie 17. Bayley 18. Kagetsu 19. Toni Storm 20. Natalya 21. Ember Moon 22. Rosemary 23. LuFisto 24. Nikki Cross 25. Naomi 26. Nicole Savoy 27. Charli Morgan 28. Kris Wolf 29. Mercedes Martinez 30. Dakota Kai 31. Ruby Riott 32. Momo Watanabe 33. Sarah Logan 34. Hiroyo Matsumoto 35. Saraya Knight 36. Taya Valkyrie 37. Chihiro Hashimoto 38. Mia Yim 39. Kelly Klein 40. Shazza McKenzie 41. Vanessa Kraven 42. Mickie James 43. Tsukasa Fujimoto 44. Madison Eagles 45. Cheerleader Melissa 46. Meiko Satomura 47. Delilah Doom 48. Jordynne Grace 49. Deonna Purazzo 50. Kimber Lee 51. Starlight Kid 52. Chelsea Green 53. Liv Morgan 54. Viper 55. Santana Garrett 56. Zoey Skye 57. Nicole Matthews 58. Faby Apache 59. Ivelisse Velez 60. Hana Kimura 61. Jungle Kyona 62. Candice LeRae 63. Rhea Ripley 64. Tenille Dashwood 65. KC Spinelli 66. Jessicka Havok 67. Kiera Hogan 68. Leva Bates 69. Mandy Rose 70. Dalys La Caribena 71. Britt Baker 72. Sonya Deville 73. Risa Sera 74. Madison Rayne 75. Mari Apache 76. Kaitlin Diemond 77. Jinny 78. Shotzi Blackheart 79. Sammi Jayne 80. Bea Priestley 81. Kay Lee Ray 82. Rhia O'Reilly 83. Xandra Bale 84. Brandi Rhodes 85. Bianca Belair 86. Karen Q 87. Melanie Cruise 88. Nevaeh 89. Kikyo 90. Rachael Ellering 91. Gisele Shaw 92. Peyton Royce 93. Alicia Fox 94. Hudson Envy 95. Veda Scott 96. Zoey Lucas 97. Alexia Nicole 98. Samantha Heights 99. Jewells Malone 100. Skylar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 The fact that Rousey is number 1 and Faby is 58 tells you everything you need to know about the garbage fire that is this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 No Martina, this list is invalid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Zeuxis gets invited to the Mae Young and doesn’t even make the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: Maybe I overrate it a bit because I'm a Foley guy but for me the original Boiler Room Brawl is my personal favorite of these kinds of matches. The Taker match was way too long for my tastes. The beginning of the match is pointlessly repetitive, and the Paul Bearer turn was way more drawn out than it needed to be as well. The whole thing could've been done in 10 minutes, but it went for 30. The best part was the live crowd having to watch on tvs being wheeled out on those carts just like elementary school. On the other hand, the Foley/Big Show BRB (Backlash 99) was a solid 10-minute attitude style brawl and has a really cool spot where Foley is crawling around leaving bloody handprints everywhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Final Deletion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilwaldo Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 It sounds like Matt is done due to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Did Inoki start the no ring Wrestling match concept, with his Island Death Match(es?) from the 70s? Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan had their big payoff to their blood feud in the woods. Although they didn't really give it a final resolution as such. Although it kind of was a fight to the death angle, so they had to not resolve it, because you can't actually have Wrestlers murder each other on camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, evilwaldo said: The fact that Rousey is number 1 and Faby is 58 tells you everything you need to know about the garbage fire that is this list. My favorite is that Bianca BelAir is one spot below Brandi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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