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Bad idea for Flair in 92, but potentially pairs well with the oft-kicked around idea of having some Cinderella Nobody actually winning one of these times.

Could even do a fake out in modern “surprise entrant” times where two or three guys come out claiming to be the real #30

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17 hours ago, BobbyWhioux said:

Piper's Pitifuls vs The Faux Horsemen at Survivor Series 91 is the worst offender because the schmozz breaks out and the ref disqualifies everyone left in the match except Flair for no real reason except the meta reasons of Flair's booked to win and the match has gone over time.

 

21 hours ago, AxB said:

Like that time 4 members of one team got counted out simultaneously?

Pretty sure that ref didn't count to 40. Which technically he should have had to.

I was going to call that out as well but I thought that was what AxB was talking about.  Yeah, way to give Flair a big win on his first PPV.

9 hours ago, tbarrie said:

If we're complaining about Survivor Series, can I mention how much I was annoyed during the year or two when after a match, the survivors were referred to as "sole survivors" no matter how many of them there were? I don't remember exactly when that was, but it was pretty stupid.

I'm the most pedantic dude you know and, yes, that is awful.  Speaking of, maybe it's the Mandela Effect, but I swear it was "Hell in the Cell" for at least the first match.  Which is a far superior name than a cell.  A cell can be any old cell, but the cell sounds like the stuff of legend.

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I think Taker called in "Hell in the Cell" even though the match name was Hell in A Cell. I believe the only time it was officially Hell In The Cell was No Way Out 2000 for the six man

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9 hours ago, Infinit said:

This is eerily similar to the rumor that one of the proposed endings to the 92 Rumble was that the ring was supposed to be cleared of all competitors and Flair was supposed to come out at number 30 and be handed the title.

 I totally believe that being a finish Vince would come up with but I Imagine everyone involved in booking talked him against it. That type of finish would have probably led to Flair leaving sooner than he did. Unless Flair was getting the definitive main event spot vs Hulk at WrestleMania 8, I couldn't imagine Flair going along with that. 

Him not having a match at Wimbley that Summer is still something that's hard to believe and probably one of the first signs he had to go.

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18 hours ago, Infinit said:

one of the proposed endings to the 92 Rumble was that the ring was supposed to be cleared of all competitors and Flair was supposed to come out at number 30 and be handed the title.

i think this finish could work as some 'mini-Rumble' on a Raw or SD! before the big show. one of those "last man standing enters at #30" deals they used to do pretty frequently. Obviously some braggadocious heel gets this cheap win. But the chance of totally deflating the crowd has to be near 100%.

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8 hours ago, twiztor said:

i think this finish could work as some 'mini-Rumble' on a Raw or SD! before the big show. one of those "last man standing enters at #30" deals they used to do pretty frequently. Obviously some braggadocious heel gets this cheap win. But the chance of totally deflating the crowd has to be near 100%.

It would have to be a heel that the crowd absolutely hates with a burning passion for it to work. Currently, I think only Dom Mysterio could make it work. And you couldn't wait to see him get his ass kicked the next week.

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On 11/20/2024 at 2:04 PM, supremebve said:

What is the podcast called, that seems right up my alley.  The crazy thing about the AJPW matches the last time I watched them is how good the matches are before all the head dropping.  I think the long term story telling that starts with Misawa pinning Jumbo unexpectedly until Kawada finally beating Misawa is the best example of in-ring story telling ever.  You can watch all the matches without any other context and fully understand the story being told.  

I also am thinking about how to do a wrestling data management project where I create a public spreadsheet where people can download it, fill out participants, and their own individual rating.  It will spit out a bunch of charts and stats that breakdown who is the most high rated matches, who is most consistent, who is an anchor, etc.  Don't hold me to it, especially since google sheets are just different enough from excel that I might not be able to figure it out.

It was something Post Wrestling did from 3 years ago I found on YouTube. I watched a documentary Wrestling Colin put together on Misawa and his death that was really good too.

It would be dope if you do that project. I really would like to know how alot of these match are viewed to us today and how younger fans view it now too.

I like the current wrestling and Will Ospreay is probably my favorite over all but if he's getting 5 to 7 star matches. I'm sure alot of the All Japan stuff is at the level or greater 

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8 hours ago, odessasteps said:

I could see that finish for the year Vince won the Rumble. 

Considering it was one of the worst Rumbles up to that point and probably ever, that would probably have been the best time ever to use that particular finish. It would have made sense too, if Austin still gets his hands on Vince on the next PPV, the fact that he wouldn't get to beat up Vince here would probably work better than the actual ending they used!

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On 11/22/2024 at 2:21 PM, twiztor said:

i think this finish could work as some 'mini-Rumble' on a Raw or SD! before the big show. one of those "last man standing enters at #30" deals they used to do pretty frequently. Obviously some braggadocious heel gets this cheap win. But the chance of totally deflating the crowd has to be near 100%.

 

16 hours ago, Ramo2653 said:

It would have to be a heel that the crowd absolutely hates with a burning passion for it to work. Currently, I think only Dom Mysterio could make it work. And you couldn't wait to see him get his ass kicked the next week.

 

1 hour ago, Gorman said:

I have been advocating for the "No. 30 walks in and wins the Rumble" finish for years.

It's one of the only firsts left in the Royal Rumble match. It has to happen at some point but, man it has to be the right guy. You only get one chance to make it count.

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1 hour ago, Gorman said:

I have been advocating for the "No. 30 walks in and wins the Rumble" finish for years.

There was a version of this finish in a KOPW qualifying rambo where the last 4 guys advanced to a 4 way match the next night: there were 4 guys left, one got tossed and then Yano's music hit as he was the final participant and thus qualified without even setting foot in the ring.

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I do feel like "No. 30 enters to an empty ring to win the Rumble" would be more acceptable now since there are 2 Rumble matches every year now, but it would (a) need to be the finish to the first Rumble match they run so they can end the show with a more traditional Rumble finish in the second match and (b) still need to be the absolute right person to do it with - for example I think they could have done that with heel Bayley the last couple of years. She would have been entertainingly insufferable about winning the Rumble and made some great TV in the weeks that followed. 

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I haven't seen any of the Rizzler but I know the name and the pics i've seen of him make me think "what if MJF was a fat child"

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3 hours ago, clintthecrippler said:

I do feel like "No. 30 enters to an empty ring to win the Rumble" would be more acceptable now since there are 2 Rumble matches every year now, but it would (a) need to be the finish to the first Rumble match they run so they can end the show with a more traditional Rumble finish in the second match and (b) still need to be the absolute right person to do it with - for example I think they could have done that with heel Bayley the last couple of years. She would have been entertainingly insufferable about winning the Rumble and made some great TV in the weeks that followed. 

Ted DiBiase ? him buying the number 30 slot and entering an empty ring would work. If they hadn’t done the angle with him buying the WWF title then it would really get heat. By the time the Rumble was a ticket to a WrestleMania main event , he was a mid to upper mid card at best but that would have been a dope Rumble finish for him in the early years to try once. Ironically he was in a few of those Rumbles for a decent amount of time.

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2 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Ted DiBiase ? him buying the number 30 slot and entering an empty ring would work

they kinda did that finish in 2007 with Dibiase buying a battle royal victory from IRS on RAW 15 because it fit the gimmick and DiBiase's sure the hell not bumping over the top rope in 2007

2 minutes ago, zendragon said:

That's a young Joel Gertner is ever I saw one

Joel Gertner having a lovechild with Mama Dudley feels like a storyline that they could have tried if they had Gertner or the Dudleys working in the late 2010s

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3 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Ted DiBiase ? him buying the number 30 slot and entering an empty ring would work. If they hadn’t done the angle with him buying the WWF title then it would really get heat. By the time the Rumble was a ticket to a WrestleMania main event , he was a mid to upper mid card at best but that would have been a dope Rumble finish for him in the early years to try once. Ironically he was in a few of those Rumbles for a decent amount of time.

He did try it once. In the very first 30-person Royal Rumble, they did an angle which clearly implied he had paid off Slick to swap one of his men's number with him, and wound up entering at 30. Of course the ring wasn't empty at that point, but he did try. (It's not like he could have predicted an empty ring.)

He got crappy numbers the next few years, with the idea being that WWF authorities were watching him like a hawk after that incident.

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Dibiase was also the rare past Flair rival who didn't get any time with Flair in the 92 Rumble

now if they had DiBiase in the vicinity of Flair in late 92, instead of spending all his time tagging with IRS.. then in a scenario where Warrior leaves but Perfect's back is so fucked that he can't work on short notice, they could have made Survivor Series 92 weirder by having Macho Man Randy Savage talk Ted DiBiase into turning face while Flair and Razor accidentally/intentionally slight DiBiase

Of course babyface Million Dollar Man really wouldn't have had a reason to exist for long

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8 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

Dibiase was also the rare past Flair rival who didn't get any time with Flair in the 92 Rumble

now if they had DiBiase in the vicinity of Flair in late 92, instead of spending all his time tagging with IRS.. then in a scenario where Warrior leaves but Perfect's back is so fucked that he can't work on short notice, they could have made Survivor Series 92 weirder by having Macho Man Randy Savage talk Ted DiBiase into turning face while Flair and Razor accidentally/intentionally slight DiBiase

Of course babyface Million Dollar Man really wouldn't have had a reason to exist for long

I’ve barely seen DiBiase pre WWE so it would have been weird to see him as a face. I’m sure older fans seen him as a babyface depending on which territories they grew up with. That Million Dollar Man gimmick was pretty much used up by that point and maybe as a face he probably wouldn’t have had to take as much bumps.  I could see a face vs face match vs Bret during Bret’s  first run as WWF champion 

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Quick question, this has been bugging me for the past few days:

Around what point did Shawn Michaels' eyes start getting all fucked up?

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