November 2024 Wrestling Discussion

[Ziggy]

 

6 hours ago, Craig H said:

I think I said this before, but that's his home. I think he wanted AEW to be his home until he got there and found that it was too chaotic, too high school, too unstructured. WWE gives him the structure he needs and with Vince gone, it's like going back home for Thanksgiving with that abusive parent out of the picture. It was bittersweet for how EVERYTHING went down, from when he initially left WWE, to not wanting anything to do with wrestling, to coming back to AEW, seeing how things went there, and now being back in WWE. I'm happy for the guy. And honestly, I'm just happy for everyone else there too.

I think that is a great analogy but I hate it when people act like Vince wasn't involved before December of last year. People pretend like Punk didn't come back with even the assumption of Vince still being involved.  I know Punk is not at all a fan of Vinces actions but even with most the stuff that went down with him leaving, it seemed less an issue with Vince than it was Hunter at the time.

[Peck]

98% sure Jade Cargill was standing next to me in JFK yesterday. I was at my gate heading to Pittsburgh, the flight next to me that she boarded was heading to Fort Lauderdale. Delta has a hub in Salt Lake City so I assume it's plausible she connected through New York to head home after Smackdown. Didn't see any sort of leg fracture...

[COLETTI]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't know if it's a hot take or not, but I've always hated Jerry Lawler. Not in a "I want to see him get his ass kicked" way, but more of "I want him to swallow his tongue" kind of way. 

Couldn't fucking stand him as a young viewer and it honestly blew my mind to find out he was such a respected vet. Dude was straight trash as a WWE announcer. 

[Infinit]

Very cool!

 

[RazorbladeKiss87]

1 hour ago, assfax said:

Lawler the wrestler:  Classic EC comics.  Lawler the announcer: Cracked magazine.

Hey now. I was a big fan of Cracked as a kid. After I bought all the back issues of Mad at this weird barn full of stuff that was in the country by my Grandma's house, I moved onto Cracked. Granted, I was also buying lots of Garfield and Heathcliff collections so maybe my opinion at the time should not be trusted. 

[J.H.]

So what part of Lawler's career equates the a complete run of Crazy?

James

Edited November 26, 2024 by J.H.

[assfax]

This made me look up Tom Armstrong's Marvin and first of all I can't believe it's still going and #B it looks like garbage nowadays.  Marvin was the shit before Calvin and Hobbes.

[odessasteps]

I started to compare Lawler’s career other magazine and thought wisely to stop.

[RazorbladeKiss87]

24 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

I started to compare Lawler’s career other magazine and thought wisely to stop.

It'd probably compare pretty well to some of those Swedish magazines. 

[Technico Support]

10 hours ago, odessasteps said:

I started to compare Lawler’s career other magazine and thought wisely to stop.

Barely Legal is just too easy

[The Comedian]

12 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

Hey now. I was a big fan of Cracked as a kid. After I bought all the back issues of Mad at this weird barn full of stuff that was in the country by my Grandma's house, I moved onto Cracked. Granted, I was also buying lots of Garfield and Heathcliff collections so maybe my opinion at the time should not be trusted. 

Hot Take~!!

The earliest Garfield stuff isn't that bad. It's only after Davis started building his empire of suction cupped stuffed toys and holiday specials with Lou Rawls theme songs that he let the quality drop off. The fact that Davis is up front about getting into the biz to build that empire doesn't change that.

I guess you could say Jim Davis is the Kevin Nash of comics, with Berke Breathed playing the role of angry workrate guys everywhere...

[Firebreaker Chip]

Is Bill Watterson Bret Hart?

Did a notable body of seminal work entirely in the 80s and 90s that stands the test of time, always cared more about the art than the trappings around it, knew how to make you ~feel it, refused to compromise on their outspoken creative principles to their own detriment (syndication and merchandising vs putting that rat bastard Shawn over in Montreal), both have a victory over Jean Pierre LaFitte on PPV

It falls down where Watterson gracefully disappeared into obscurity, whereas Bret will still be accidentally reigniting his feud with Goldberg after he's dead

Edited November 26, 2024 by Firebreaker Chip

[Leonidas]

15 hours ago, Peck said:

98% sure Jade Cargill was standing next to me in JFK yesterday. I was at my gate heading to Pittsburgh, the flight next to me that she boarded was heading to Fort Lauderdale. Delta has a hub in Salt Lake City so I assume it's plausible she connected through New York to head home after Smackdown. Didn't see any sort of leg fracture...

How tall was she? Does she look as built in real life as she does on TV?

[Curt McGirt]

16 hours ago, assfax said:

Lawler the wrestler:  Classic EC comics.  Lawler the announcer: Cracked magazine.

Shit, Cracked was fun when I was a kid. Cracked Monster Party, even better! Lawler the announcer is Wertham if you want to make an EC analogy, irony being Lawler was ten times as vulgar as the hated EC. (Note: I used to collect EC and actually have two collections, one of Wallace Wood and one of Ghastly Graham Engles, sitting right under the laptop right now.) 

I had no respect for Jerry Lawler at all until I saw him in Memphis. Literally none. First he had the disgusting 'kiss my foot' match with my then-hero Bret Hart and then they threw his botoxed ass on the air to squeal about tits all the time, talk shit about the Japanese wrestlers that I liked. And then he got his SON on the air and I hated HIM just as much. 

[BobbyWhioux]

2 hours ago, Firebreaker Chip said:

Is Bill Watterson Bret Hart?

Did a notable body of seminal work entirely in the 80s and 90s that stands the test of time, always cared more about the art than the trappings around it, knew how to make you ~feel it, refused to compromise on their outspoken creative principles to their own detriment (syndication and merchandising vs putting that rat bastard Shawn over in Montreal), both have a victory over Jean Pierre LaFitte on PPV

It falls down where Watterson gracefully disappeared into obscurity, whereas Bret will still be accidentally reigniting his feud with Goldberg after he's dead

Bill Watterson is Rick Martel for leaving the business on his own terms and never coming back or resorting to a “legends” contract (merchandising)

[Cobra Commander]

Ricky Steamboat feels like a comp for Bill Watterson. Maybe not Barry Windham. Is Barry Windham the Berkeley Breathed of wrestling?

Who’s the Gary Larson of wrestling? Cactus Jack? Not a lot of underground-ish wrestlers who didn’t die young or stay around too long.

[BobbyWhioux]

as for Lawler, he was good in the booth in 93 when he put in the effort into being a properly antagonist heel broadcaster but by the time of the Attitude Era he was clearly phoning it in and had descended into sad self-parody (especially with the racism and the perving).  Any stretch where he was replaced was addition by subtraction, to the point that I was almost kinda happy ECW went out of business because Paul Heyman slid into the evil color analyst role like an entire gale of fresh air, never mind a breath.

In ring he was at best a complete waste of Bret's time, and the farthest possible cry from his run as the face of Memphis.

[RazorbladeKiss87]

31 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

Ricky Steamboat feels like a comp for Bill Watterson. Maybe not Barry Windham. Is Barry Windham the Berkeley Breathed of wrestling?

Who’s the Gary Larson of wrestling? Cactus Jack? Not a lot of underground-ish wrestlers who didn’t die young or stay around too long.

Sick Nick Mondo?

[Cobra Commander]

42 minutes ago, BobbyWhioux said:

as for Lawler, he was good in the booth in 93 when he put in the effort into being a properly antagonist heel broadcaster

I was watching one of Lawler's first appearances in December 1992 and he was playing up the King part maybe a little too much but i'm guessing he figured things out as 1993 went on

[supremebve]

18 hours ago, Peck said:

98% sure Jade Cargill was standing next to me in JFK yesterday. I was at my gate heading to Pittsburgh, the flight next to me that she boarded was heading to Fort Lauderdale. Delta has a hub in Salt Lake City so I assume it's plausible she connected through New York to head home after Smackdown. Didn't see any sort of leg fracture...

How can you possibly not be sure that it was Jade Cargill? I feel like my heart would still be beating fast if I was within a 10-mile radius of that woman.  I mean, there isn't exactly a long line of Jade Cargills running around, I'm 100% sure I would have noticed that.

[The Natural]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCl2KhZdfI

Kevin Nash reacts to his greatest moments.

[The Natural]

25 minutes ago, supremebve said:

How can you possibly not be sure that it was Jade Cargill? I feel like my heart would still be beating fast if I was within a 10-mile radius of that woman.  I mean, there isn't exactly a long line of Jade Cargills running around, I'm 100% sure I would have noticed that.

Settle down, supremebvetico.

;).

[The Natural]

6 hours ago, Technico Support said:

Barely Legal is just too easy

I needed a laugh today. Cheers, pal.

[Peck]

6 hours ago, Leonidas said:

How tall was she? Does she look as built in real life as she does on TV?

I'm 6'2" and she was probably a couple inches shorter than me. Not by much. Tough to comment on looking as built when she was wearing civilian cold-weather clothes. lol

3 hours ago, supremebve said:

How can you possibly not be sure that it was Jade Cargill? I feel like my heart would still be beating fast if I was within a 10-mile radius of that woman.  I mean, there isn't exactly a long line of Jade Cargills running around, I'm 100% sure I would have noticed that.

lol  The whole thing lasted like 15 seconds. She walked past me to talk to the gate agent then boarded. Had sunglasses on too and like I mentioned she was in normal day-to-day clothes so she didn't really stand out as much as you'd think. I'm basically going off of the height, the blonde hair and the likelihood that she was flying home to Florida from SLC and her Delta connection just so happened to be at JFK.

Settle down, Supremebvenetico. 

[Cobra Commander]

still pretty sure the dude doing radio ads for Top Dog Law would instantly be a top-half wrestling promo if he was in the business: 

like just imagine this guy getting a minute to riff for house show promos