November 2024 Wrestling Discussion

[Nice Guy Eddie]

Just now, NikoBaltimore said:

Those ideas sound lovely for WM9.  I just wanted to add that while WM9 isn't as bad as others make it out to be if one still feels that way they should watch Survivor Series '93.  Goodness me that was putrid.

I didn't think Survivor Series '93 was that bad, but I'll always have a soft spot for traditional Survivor Series tag matches. My main problem with SS '93 was the Heavenly Bodies/RnR Express match in fucking Boston of all places. 

[NikoBaltimore]

I should have re-phrased to say WM9 wasn't worse than the Doink SS match or something like that.  The match really soured me on the show.  I get it was meant to have Doink get a psychological advantage over Bam Bam but it made fools out of the Headshrinkers and the Bushwackers should have at least been decimated so M.O.M could shine more having to take out Headshrinkers and Bam Bam.  If that was either re-done or taken out it would have for a more palatable show between the Hart match and the main.

[BobbyWhioux]

21 minutes ago, NikoBaltimore said:

Those ideas sound lovely for WM9.  I just wanted to add that while WM9 isn't as bad as others make it out to be if one still feels that way they should watch Survivor Series '93.  Goodness me that was putrid.

a show so bad it made Hennig remember how badly his back was hurt and no-showed.

Edited November 29, 2024 by BobbyWhioux

[zendragon]

5 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I didn't think Survivor Series '93 was that bad, but I'll always have a soft spot for traditional Survivor Series tag matches. My main problem with SS '93 was the Heavenly Bodies/RnR Express match in fucking Boston of all places. 

The story is that this match existed solely to get Cornette into the company to manage Yoko 

[Shartnado]

1 hour ago, zendragon said:

The story is that this match existed solely to get Cornette into the company to manage Yoko 

Which is pretty funny considering Cornette had already been the spokesperson to Yoko since before SummerSlam that year. I first saw the RnR v Bodies match (and SS'93 for that matter) in '96 and remember liking the moves part of the match very much. The Cornette Memphis-antics, not so much at the time.

[Shartnado]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:28 AM, Zakk_Sabbath said:

Highly, highly off topic: 79 other people have Brad Armstrong's sick ass WCW ring music on their 'liked' playlist. All of you are here, correct?

 

Shartnado just added this track to "my favorites" and will soon find a suitable playlist for it. Also, this "Artist" is basically a cornucopia of instrumental music suitable for my purposes! Thank you so much!

[twiztor]

23 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Oh my god, I've seen it all now. Remember how we were talking on here (I think it was here) about different fake Kanes? Well, here is... Kokekane

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=600754032528856

i saw KoKane a few weeks ago. ironically enough, i think it was the night after this clip. This discussion was the first thing i thought of.

[Nice Guy Eddie]

1 hour ago, twiztor said:

i saw KoKane a few weeks ago. ironically enough, i think it was the night after this clip. This discussion was the first thing i thought of.

Kokane's entrance music better be Eric Clapton's "Cocaine". 

[Marcel]

On 11/27/2024 at 9:32 PM, BobbyWhioux said:

I think there’s something there in a heel climbing back down from the buckle and shouting “you gotta buy the pay per view to see that” and doing something more basic instead 

I'm a little surprised MJF hasn't thought of this yet.

[Technico Support]

56 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Kokane's entrance music better be Eric Clapton's "Cocaine". 

Cocaine/Slow Chemical mashup would rule.

[zendragon]

On 11/27/2024 at 6:32 PM, BobbyWhioux said:

I think there’s something there in a heel climbing back down from the buckle and shouting “you gotta buy the pay per view to see that” and doing something more basic instead 

Kidman refusing to do the SSP after he KO'd Chavo was kinda like this. I remember him climbing to the top then shaking his head "no" while the crowd booed

[Nice Guy Eddie]

5 hours ago, Technico Support said:

Cocaine/Slow Chemical mashup would rule.

Except anyone that knows about cocaine knows it's no slow chemical. 

[Curt McGirt]

On 11/28/2024 at 11:35 AM, AxB said:

Because yes, Dustin believes small indies would use legit coke and heroin for a powder in the eyes spot. Not, like, flour.

Dustin should remember the price of drugs back when he used them, much less the price they go for now, before saying anything like that 

[odessasteps]

Well, prob likely to find coke these days at an Indy show than in recent major promotions, with all the guts just playing video games backstage.

[Cliff Hanger]

Has a "big" heel ever just no-sold an attempt to break up a pin in a tag or x-way match? I thought of this during the 3-way on SD tonight and I can totally imagine Piper Niven or Bronson Reed doing it. Or Big E during his NXT heel run. It would only work once before the faces learned you couldn't just kick them in the back and used more elaborate means to break it up, but it'd be a fun spot to do that once.

[tbarrie]

39 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger said:

Has a "big" heel ever just no-sold an attempt to break up a pin in a tag or x-way match? I thought of this during the 3-way on SD tonight and I can totally imagine Piper Niven or Bronson Reed doing it. Or Big E during his NXT heel run. It would only work once before the faces learned you couldn't just kick them in the back and used more elaborate means to break it up, but it'd be a fun spot to do that once.

I believe when Andre and Haku won the tag titles from Demolition, one of the Demos was unsuccessfully trying to pull Andre off the pin.

[Cliff Hanger]

22 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

I believe when Andre and Haku won the tag titles from Demolition, one of the Demos was unsuccessfully trying to pull Andre off the pin.

I feel like trying and failing to yank them off is a little different than modern "running elbow drop/stomp" breakups, but the principle is the same.  Thanks!

[Cleavy]

27 minutes ago, tbarrie said:

I believe when Andre and Haku won the tag titles from Demolition, one of the Demos was unsuccessfully trying to pull Andre off the pin.

 

[BobbyWhioux]

The Colossal Connection, because even by the loose standards of pro wrestling promotion, you could not get away with calling a team with end-of-career Andre an "Express"

But yeah, at the minimum Andre should be able to no-sell/shrug off a pin breakup attempt.  This should probably be a staple of fat guy tag partners.  Even if you knock him out with a top rope forearm, you still gotta move him, and now his dead weight should make that even harder.

[BobbyWhioux]

Which begs the question:  WWF wasn't hurting for tag teams at this point, does anyone know why they put the Colossal Connection together to beat Demolition but just for a couple months?  Was it just to give Andre a gold watch?

[Eivion]

2 hours ago, Cliff Hanger said:

Has a "big" heel ever just no-sold an attempt to break up a pin in a tag or x-way match? I thought of this during the 3-way on SD tonight and I can totally imagine Piper Niven or Bronson Reed doing it. Or Big E during his NXT heel run. It would only work once before the faces learned you couldn't just kick them in the back and used more elaborate means to break it up, but it'd be a fun spot to do that once.

Pretty sure Monster Rippa did this in AJW in some handicap matches and tags against rookies.

[zendragon]

[Mister TV]

10 hours ago, BobbyWhioux said:

Which begs the question:  WWF wasn't hurting for tag teams at this point, does anyone know why they put the Colossal Connection together to beat Demolition but just for a couple months?  Was it just to give Andre a gold watch?

They took The Brainbusters spot when Arn and Tully left, Demolition only got the belts back when Arn and Tully put in their notice, assuming the switch to Andre and Haku was to so they could stick with the plan of Demolition winning the belts back at Wrestlemania. 

[The Comedian]

10 hours ago, BobbyWhioux said:

Which begs the question:  WWF wasn't hurting for tag teams at this point, does anyone know why they put the Colossal Connection together to beat Demolition but just for a couple months?  Was it just to give Andre a gold watch?

Yeah I think they wanted to put some kind of belt on him before he was done for good. 

There is a Colossal Connection match I love to point to though when talking about how great Andre was, and how even in the late stages he had such a grasp on the little things. It's the CC's vs. Jim Duggan and Hillbilly Jim. At one point, Andre works a bearhug on Duggan. After Duggan finally bellclaps out of it and tries to get back to his corner, Andre grabs him by the ear and pulls him back into the bearhug again. Duggan tries to get the crowd behind him with the thumbs up, so Andre grabs his wrist and bites his thumb. It's little things like that that made Andre great even at the tail end of his career.

[twiztor]

18 hours ago, Cliff Hanger said:

Has a "big" heel ever just no-sold an attempt to break up a pin in a tag or x-way match? I thought of this during the 3-way on SD tonight and I can totally imagine Piper Niven or Bronson Reed doing it. Or Big E during his NXT heel run. It would only work once before the faces learned you couldn't just kick them in the back and used more elaborate means to break it up, but it'd be a fun spot to do that once.

not exactly what you're asking about, but i do remember seeing a ref continue counting even after that 'break up the pinfall' spot, and the announcers pointed out that the pinfall itself was never actually interrupted. i feel like this was WCW, although i have no idea if that's accurate or any sort of idea of what match it happened in.