AEW TV - 9/25 - 10/1/2024 - Slam! Let The Boys Be Boys!

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

When the Lashley talk was happening I wasn't that interested unless he was coming in to work with Swerve because I couldn't think of any other good uses for him.  It looks like that's the direction so I'm cool with it.  Lashley seems like a fairly low maintenance/ego guy too, he did business in TNA, shouldn't be a problem for him to make Swerve look good.  Good way to further establish Swerve as a top guy against a legit heavyweight and I like the idea of him having a featured top program away from the title and away from Hangman for a bit too

Show was pretty great.  It sucked how they had to build it down in such a big venue though, didn't really feel like a stadium show.  Thought it was time to stop going after year 2 but oh well

[Phantom Lord]

I thought the show was pretty good last night. I'm glad my prediction for Bryan/Nigel didn't come true (about it going 5 seconds). They had a pretty good match. Speaking of good matches, so was Moxley vs. Darby. They backed themselves into a corner with Mox having to win here. Hopefully this isn't Bryan's last match with him.

But yeah a good show and it was nice to see them have people in the stands.

[The Natural]

11 hours ago, Technico Support said:

This show was like an old time PPV.  Very little in the way of promos and promo packages, just good to great matches back to back to back.  All killer, no filler as the saying goes.

Danielson/Nigel, for a good part of the match, felt like there was no way it would live up to the hype.  Then I adjusted my expectations and it met me in the middle, and was very good.

I concur with @Zimbra that Taven and Bennett are the best stooges going today. 
 

Hook retiring the  belt in New York with his dad was great; now let's see him move on and up.

I loved the tag match but it did have maybe two near falls too many.  But I did enjoy the story and the finish.  I'd love to hear some posters here articulate why they hate the Bucks so.  Aside from @just drew because I know he thinks they're just too tiny to be believable

MVP as a manager?  Cool.  Bringing in Shelton Benjamon and Bobby Lashley, both of whom are pushing 50, when there's a whole roster of dudes who could use the elevation?  Fuck no.

Mariah continues her streak of needing another person in order to be interesting, while being dull as an apartment paintjob on her own.  Now Mina's involved, so we're safe for a while.

Mox kills Darby.  In the end, this leads to Darby defeating Mox for the word title and it'll be awesome.  Still, I feel like it's too early for Mox to beat Danielson.  I'll save thoughts on that for if it happens.

Excellent show.  God damn.

 

4 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

Bump. 

 

58 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 

I'll get back to you both asap.

I'm crap at describing things but the Young Bucks matches feel more like a intricate routine than an actual fight/match. The former is just not my style, I prefer realism to flash. The superkick spamming annoys me. I will say some wrestlers repeatedly using the same move doesn't do but the Bucks it does. Doing too much, less would mean more. The Bucks are overpushed as well. I'm an FTR fan but even I found most of their matches with the Young Bucks hard to get through. "I just don't want to see them" to quote Stefanie Sparkleface.

Hope this helps?

Edited September 27 by The Natural

[The Natural]

11 minutes ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

Show was pretty great.  It sucked how they had to build it down in such a big venue though, didn't really feel like a stadium show.  Thought it was time to stop going after year 2 but oh well

Yeah, I couldn't help thinking back to the first Grand Slam Dynamite which for a while had my #1 match AEW match ever in Bryan Danielson vs. Kenny Omega, I gave ***** to and was my 2021 MOTY. Such a difference in four years for attendance and set up from the first to the latest in attendance, visuals and no ramp either.

[SovietShooter]

10 minutes ago, The Natural said:

55 minutes ago, The Natural said:

 

I'm crap at describing things but the Young Bucks matches feel more like a intricate routine than an actual fight/match. The former is just not my style, I prefer realism to flash.

I enjoy YB matches, but I agree with this. But, I enjoy YB matches for the spotfests that they are, in the same way I enjoyed WCW-lucha-trios-car-crashes. And, the YB really know how to lay out that type of match for maximum effect. But, I am also a firm believer that a show should be a "three ring circus", and if all the matches were the same, then it would be boring.

[For Great Justice]

40 minutes ago, SovietShooter said:

I enjoy YB matches, but I agree with this. But, I enjoy YB matches for the spotfests that they are, in the same way I enjoyed WCW-lucha-trios-car-crashes. And, the YB really know how to lay out that type of match for maximum effect. But, I am also a firm believer that a show should be a "three ring circus", and if all the matches were the same, then it would be boring.

All of this. I certainly accept that Olympics Floor Routine Style is a genre of pro wrestling match in 2024, alongside all the others under the three rings. I also acknowledge that the Bucks and Ospreay are incredible at that style. 

But, much like I acknowledge Jun Kasai as an incredible death match wrestler, I can make that acknowledgement without personally digging it. And in the case of both death matches and Meltzer Seven Star Style, I just don’t. Not my jam. 

[Curt McGirt]

1 hour ago, For Great Justice said:

See now this is rare occasion where I shake my fist cursing the “no gifs or memes” rule because I mean…Michael Keaton is right there. 

...and I have no idea what that meme is either

[The Natural]

1 hour ago, SovietShooter said:

I enjoy YB matches, but I agree with this. But, I enjoy YB matches for the spotfests that they are, in the same way I enjoyed WCW-lucha-trios-car-crashes. And, the YB really know how to lay out that type of match for maximum effect. But, I am also a firm believer that a show should be a "three ring circus", and if all the matches were the same, then it would be boring.

 

53 minutes ago, For Great Justice said:

All of this. I certainly accept that Olympics Floor Routine Style is a genre of pro wrestling match in 2024, alongside all the others under the three rings. I also acknowledge that the Bucks and Ospreay are incredible at that style. 

But, much like I acknowledge Jun Kasai as an incredible death match wrestler, I can make that acknowledgement without personally digging it. And in the case of both death matches and Meltzer Seven Star Style, I just don’t. Not my jam. 

I agree with both of you that it's a good thing there's different styles of wrestling and you'll gravitate to some more than others. It's good to have a choice of options. Technical wrestling has always been my #1 while death matches and gymnastics spotfests are my least favourite.

Edited September 27 by The Natural

[username]

10 hours ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

If Keith Lee ever gets healthy can come back to help Swerve.

If Keith Lee comes back I finally want the damn match vs Swerve, not for them to be teamed back up again >_>

[A.M.B.]

Looking at Omega vs. Bryan with the cool ramp set up to last nights’ show, the building doesn’t even look the same. There was a real lack of energy compared to the first two years. Show was too busy for me as per usual, interference or a sloppy post match angle in every match. Really liked the opener and it’s best they did this on a smaller scale rather than having to be the best match ever in a stadium. Christian’s plans are foiled because there’s no other pens in the arena. I like Hook retiring the FTW title but it could have been done in a more meaningful match. Tag match was really fun, not a fan of Fletcher using the turnbuckle brainbuster tho. It’s one of the best protected finishes and they made it mean something in WWE when Sami Zayn hits it at Wrestlemania for the first time in a decade. Takeshita was already using it on very special occasion and he’s a proper inheritor of it since he debuted against Generico. Don’t know why a second guy with no connection to it (unless I’m missing something) is using it on pre-show matches now. Women’s match wasn’t great and I thought the post match angle was extremely awkward. Mox looks in the best shape of his life and has grown into the bald look properly now I think. I don’t know why this married dude just spends his days with another woman wandering around in dark places. I like Mox and have enjoyed his career but am at a point where I don’t really look forward to much he’s in. Him vs. Bryan does absolutely nothing for me. His violent edge would actually stand out and feel distinct if he were to go back to WWE and they gave him some liberties, instead of being just another guy in a company where pretty much everyone is violent and is using thumbtacks, light tubes, needles, etc.

[southofheavy]

1 hour ago, A.M.B. said:

 There was a real lack of energy compared to the first two years. 

To me, there's been a real lack of energy to most AEW shows lately. Like, the crowd is definitely responding to big spots, crowd interaction stuff and certain wrestlers, but I'm sensing a big lack of heat. Is that really the case, for those of you who have been able to attend live? Is it just not translating to TV because of the production? 

Something just feels off to me. 

[barrybonanza]

54 minutes ago, southofheavy said:

To me, there's been a real lack of energy to most AEW shows lately. Like, the crowd is definitely responding to big spots, crowd interaction stuff and certain wrestlers, but I'm sensing a big lack of heat. Is that really the case, for those of you who have been able to attend live? Is it just not translating to TV because of the production? 

Something just feels off to me. 

It's a problem when your ethos is more of a Dream Match factory. It feels at times they're not invested in the wrestlers, but in getting to witness a 5 star match.

 

AEW's two biggest heels are also cheered, despite burning a man's house down, and putting a plastic bag over a friend's head. I wonder how a Dominik Mysterio (the primary example of someone who has actual heat in the two main companies) would fare in AEW. 

[The Green Meanie]

Sorry, but I'm never going to believe that scrubs like Private Party and Kommander are ever going to have a chance against the BCC, no matter what the situation. I also hope Bryan wasn't going to team up with them but it was just rather because they were all out there.

Excalibur saying Nigel said "thank you" was an interesting take.

Mariah is booooooooring. I don't care for her or for Mina.

NEVER SHOW TAZZ CRYING! It opened up a onion cutting factory at my house.

[A.M.B.]

1 hour ago, southofheavy said:

To me, there's been a real lack of energy to most AEW shows lately. Like, the crowd is definitely responding to big spots, crowd interaction stuff and certain wrestlers, but I'm sensing a big lack of heat. Is that really the case, for those of you who have been able to attend live? Is it just not translating to TV because of the production? 

Something just feels off to me. 

Went to their Collision taping in Palm Desert in May and besides there just being a complete lack of stars on the card, or anything feud based or remotely consequential, the fact that we were staring at a completely empty building on the other side took me out of things and I think kinda hurts crowd reactions. Was legitimately surprised they didn’t try and fill in the hard cam side even just a tiny bit more, it looked like a Covid era Jacksonville show down there. I think they need to run smaller buildings where fans can feed off each others energy more. The big empty building to me already shows the crowd that’s there that something in the product is off and translates to a lack of energy. But I do also agree that the company is a little too “dream match” focused, to where fans are conditioned to wrestlers needing to kill themselves for their matches to get reactions.

[AxB]

2 hours ago, A.M.B. said:

 His violent edge would actually stand out and feel distinct if he were to go back to WWE and they gave him some liberties, instead of being just another guy in a company where pretty much everyone is violent and is using thumbtacks, light tubes, needles, etc.

Since when was pretty much everyone in AEW being violent and using weapons?

We've seen light tubes like twice in five years. One needle, once. Tumbtacks, a handful of times at best.

Shit, most Deathmatch feds are at best half regular wrestling/ half deathmatch. Some of them are all regular wrestling and then Deathmatches just in the main event, or the top two matches. AEW's actual Deathmatches can be counted on the fingers of one hand (nb: Streetfight style matches and Deathmatches are two different things).

[odessasteps]

How many times have they done those skewer things? Don’t forget the pizza cutter.

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

1 hour ago, AxB said:

Since when was pretty much everyone in AEW being violent and using weapons?

We've seen light tubes like twice in five years. One needle, once. Tumbtacks, a handful of times at best.

Shit, most Deathmatch feds are at best half regular wrestling/ half deathmatch. Some of them are all regular wrestling and then Deathmatches just in the main event, or the top two matches. AEW's actual Deathmatches can be counted on the fingers of one hand (nb: Streetfight style matches and Deathmatches are two different things).

Thanks.

People really overstate how much AEW does ultraviolence, gimmicks etc.  A couple weeks ago, I think it was Alvarez was ranting about how AEW does too many ladder matches.  Am I following the same promotion?????  They actually save this stuff way more than people give them credit for, but I guess just doing it at all is too much for some people

I actually thought Darby's blood/spit bubble while being choked out was the grossest thing in AEW maybe all year and nobody even mentions it

Edited September 27 by ExcellenceofAirPollution

[odessasteps]

For some of the stuff they do, once can be too much for people that don’t want to see hyperviolence stuf&.

[HarryArchieGus]

14 hours ago, A.M.B. said:

Went to their Collision taping in Palm Desert in May and besides there just being a complete lack of stars on the card, or anything feud based or remotely consequential, the fact that we were staring at a completely empty building on the other side took me out of things and I think kinda hurts crowd reactions. Was legitimately surprised they didn’t try and fill in the hard cam side even just a tiny bit more, it looked like a Covid era Jacksonville show down there. I think they need to run smaller buildings where fans can feed off each others energy more. The big empty building to me already shows the crowd that’s there that something in the product is off and translates to a lack of energy. But I do also agree that the company is a little too “dream match” focused, to where fans are conditioned to wrestlers needing to kill themselves for their matches to get reactions.

I really wish smaller buildings were a sustainable strategy for them - at least for Collision. I also wish they'd stop promoting Collision with posters featuring a bunch of stars that will not be appearing. The damage the B shows (beginning with those marathon Rampage/Dark tapings) have done to the live attendance is often underestimated. 

Edited September 27 by HarryArchieGus

[barrybonanza]

14 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said:

I really wish smaller buildings was a sustainable strategy for them - at least for Collision. I also wish they'd stop promoting Collision with posters featuring a bunch of stars that will not be appearing. The damage the B shows (beginning with those marathon Rampage/Dark tapings) have done to the live attendance is often underestimated. 

I have this constant, vague memory of Meltzer quoting Mike Tenay, who thought AEW adding second (then third) shows would only to serve to dilute the product, which I think has rung true. ROH being incorporated has been another huge one, it just creates such a messy product, a thousand title belts making none of them worth much.

[StuntmanCrowley]

Personally, I never go out of the way to see a Bucks match, as they aren't a dealbreaer for me either way.  However, I do recognize they've been a part of three of my favorite all time AEW Matches

-Cage match v Lucha Vros

-against Page/Omega

-Sting's retirement match(which I was in live attendance)

So I can't say I'm not a fan of theirs on some level.  One thing I do say, is that they fall into a section of wrestlers who I think get an ridiculous amount of hate and lack of respect for what they've accomplished and how good they actually are.   You might not like them, but no one can and should discount their impact on tag team wrestling and wrestling itself.  They did everything their way and you have to respect that.

The level of vitriol directed their way by wrestling fans in general is just fucking weird to me.  Sasha Banks gets the same sort of unwarranted hatred and for the life of me I don't get it.

[Octopus]

5 hours ago, AxB said:

Since when was pretty much everyone in AEW being violent and using weapons?

We've seen light tubes like twice in five years. One needle, once. Tumbtacks, a handful of times at best.

Shit, most Deathmatch feds are at best half regular wrestling/ half deathmatch. Some of them are all regular wrestling and then Deathmatches just in the main event, or the top two matches. AEW's actual Deathmatches can be counted on the fingers of one hand (nb: Streetfight style matches and Deathmatches are two different things).

Remember when you showed me that Deathmatch event and the ring was literally brown from blood? Lol

[Octopus]

I like the direction the world title scene is going, or at least oddly enough trust the process. Give me Darby learning to be ready to be champion. He lost to Jungle Teen and now MoxBully. Have him down on his luck and then learn a new move like the Darbinizer or the AllinSlam. He spanks Perry and then avenges himself from Mox. Whether that is when he wins the title or against Danielson.

As for which Danielson match I’d prefer, even though we didn’t get Danielson vs Darby, I don’t think I could handle Darby’s dives at Bryan. Lol.

I remember really liking the Revolution match between Mox and Dragon

[The Natural]

29 minutes ago, Octopus said:

I like the direction the world title scene is going, or at least oddly enough trust the process. Give me Darby learning to be ready to be champion. He lost to Jungle Teen and now MoxBully. Have him down on his luck and then learn a new move like the Darbinizer or

the AllinSlam. He spanks Perry and then avenges himself from Mox. Whether that is when he wins the title or against Danielson.

As for which Danielson match I’d prefer, even though we didn’t get Danielson vs Darby, I don’t think I could handle Darby’s dives at Bryan. Lol.

I remember really liking the Revolution match between Mox and Dragon

That's the only Jon Moxley vs. Bryan Danielson match I ever liked from Revolution 2022 but it didn't click with me until the third watchthrough. The Grand Slam Dynamite 2022 match was one of Bryan's worst ever matches and Mox's.

Edited September 27 by The Natural

[Ramo2653]

For me and the Bucks, what really turned me off was years ago I was watching a New Japan on AXS episode where it was Bucks vs someone for the IWGP jr. Tag titles and then I watched that weeks episode of ROH TV and they wrestled someone else but they had the exact same match with the exact same elaborate spots so I was like "oh, that's kinda lame". I understand that part of their thing is that they're showing they're performers and a bit of wink wink element to it, but to quote an awful person, that doesn't work for me, brother.