AEW TV - 9/25 - 10/1/2024 - Slam! Let The Boys Be Boys!

[Octopus]

9 minutes ago, The Natural said:

That's the only Jon Moxley vs. Bryan Danielson match I ever liked from Revolution 2022 but it didn't click with me until the third watchthrough. The Grand Slam Dynamite 2022 match was one of Bryan's worst ever matches and Mox's.

I’m excited now they got something to make up for and prove. 

[Log]

15 minutes ago, Ramo2653 said:

For me and the Bucks, what really turned me off was years ago I was watching a New Japan on AXS episode where it was Bucks vs someone for the IWGP jr. Tag titles and then I watched that weeks episode of ROH TV and they wrestled someone else but they had the exact same match with the exact same elaborate spots so I was like "oh, that's kinda lame". I understand that part of their thing is that they're showing they're performers and a bit of wink wink element to it, but to quote an awful person, that doesn't work for me, brother.

That's a good point. I think the Bucks are more impressive the first time you see them. There are some really intricate, complicated spots that they pull off well. Then, the fourth time you've seen a guy just happen to be in the exact spot that they need him to be to hit some combo on him and his partner, it's diminishing returns.

They need to do the Rey Mysterio thing where he would find new and creative ways to get guys in position for the 619.

[Curt McGirt]

10 hours ago, A.M.B. said:

Don’t know why a second guy with no connection to it (unless I’m missing something) is using it on pre-show matches now.

It's Ospreay's tag partner. Doing that is completely in character for those guys. They bust out Poison Ranas like they're sunset flips. Doesn't make it right, just saying.

[A.M.B.]

10 hours ago, AxB said:

Since when was pretty much everyone in AEW being violent and using weapons?

We've seen light tubes like twice in five years. One needle, once. Tumbtacks, a handful of times at best.

Shit, most Deathmatch feds are at best half regular wrestling/ half deathmatch. Some of them are all regular wrestling and then Deathmatches just in the main event, or the top two matches. AEW's actual Deathmatches can be counted on the fingers of one hand (nb: Streetfight style matches and Deathmatches are two different things)

The inclusion of light tubes and syringes is unnecessary sure and I probably worded it poorly. It’s just more how I see them being used. Like I think the main event completely outshined the more violent aspects of Willow vs. Stat, so they were killing themselves just to be second best. Getting hit with light tubes should mean something in a deathmatch fed, let alone in a regular company. Nick Gage using light tubes doesn’t really do anything for the company other than a one night pop. Mox coming out and turning on Danielson would have been even crazier if he used light tubes for the first time, that’s what made Stop the Matsunaga great, a deathmatch wrestler dragging people into his world against their will, and the outrage behind it all. And no one else was doing what he was doing in Z1 at the time. 
 

It’s just personal taste but I always respected ROH for not doing a ladder match for 5 years and then finally doing one at the end of a huge blood feud where it finally made sense, and is more memorable to me than 95% of ladder matches because it felt shocking. AEW was giving them away from the start without much build. I like to see them as the result of the feud where there’s a reason a regular match won’t suffice. There’s constantly multi man matches at the PPVs that just look absurdly dangerous and have no need to be ladder matches.

and thumbtacks are absolutely over used, like again, I’m all for it, but think it should feed into the branding of their characters. Let Darby be the thumbtack guy with his skateboard and mask adorned with them. Or maybe Moxley. But we also have them in plenty of Young Bucks matches with the thumbtack shoe. And Britt Baker’s used them. And Statlander. And Eddie Kingston. And Anna Jay. And Abadon. And MJF/Punk. It’s tired and I think is better served to be one guy’s gimmick, like Mankind who would bust them out once a year in a top of the card blood feud.

[HarryArchieGus]

6 hours ago, Ramo2653 said:

For me and the Bucks, what really turned me off was years ago I was watching a New Japan on AXS episode where it was Bucks vs someone for the IWGP jr. Tag titles and then I watched that weeks episode of ROH TV and they wrestled someone else but they had the exact same match with the exact same elaborate spots so I was like "oh, that's kinda lame". I understand that part of their thing is that they're showing they're performers and a bit of wink wink element to it, but to quote an awful person, that doesn't work for me, brother.

5 hours ago, Log said:

That's a good point. I think the Bucks are more impressive the first time you see them. There are some really intricate, complicated spots that they pull off well. Then, the fourth time you've seen a guy just happen to be in the exact spot that they need him to be to hit some combo on him and his partner, it's diminishing returns.

They need to do the Rey Mysterio thing where he would find new and creative ways to get guys in position for the 619.

It seems like most of the haters were thrown off years ago. I don't get holding a grudge like that. The match they had on Wednesday wasn't the same, nor was it the same as any match they've had in recent memory.

Other than a live show here in Toronto, I'd never seen a Young Bucks match before AEW. In trying to understand the passionate hate that so many have for them I sought out the back catalog. Everything I watched on New Japan World was on a scale of 'really good' to 'a lot of fun'. I did however find a match versus the Briscoes from an ROH PPV that exemplified some of the Buck criticisms I'd read. It turned me off from wanting to see more of their earlier ROH work. That was a match from a year before the start of AEW. Needless to say I didn't hold a grudge for their overuse of false finishes or lack of psychology. Neither have been a problem going forward. I'd fail to find a match of the Bucks from this AEW run that I even dislike. The Hardys is the match that comes to mind, but the Bucks were tremendous in their heavy lifting. The match on Wednesday or Thursday morning, before work my time, filled me with great joy. 

[JLowe]

6 hours ago, Ramo2653 said:

For me and the Bucks, what really turned me off was years ago I was watching a New Japan on AXS episode where it was Bucks vs someone for the IWGP jr. Tag titles and then I watched that weeks episode of ROH TV and they wrestled someone else but they had the exact same match with the exact same elaborate spots so I was like "oh, that's kinda lame". I understand that part of their thing is that they're showing they're performers and a bit of wink wink element to it, but to quote an awful person, that doesn't work for me, brother.

I can’t say that all Young Bucks matches are exactly the same, but that’s only because I haven’t seen them all.

[JLowe]

6 hours ago, Log said:

That's a good point. I think the Bucks are more impressive the first time you see them. There are some really intricate, complicated spots that they pull off well. Then, the fourth time you've seen a guy just happen to be in the exact spot that they need him to be to hit some combo on him and his partner, it's diminishing returns.

They need to do the Rey Mysterio thing where he would find new and creative ways to get guys in position for the 619.

It’s sort of an interesting thing because I’ve always seen exactly what you are talking about, while I can also acknowledge how smoothly they take other people’s moves and are great bumpers. Except that last bit gets overshadowed by the lack of selling built into their preferred match structure.

[HarryArchieGus]

9 hours ago, barrybonanza said:

I have this constant, vague memory of Meltzer quoting Mike Tenay, who thought AEW adding second (then third) shows would only to serve to dilute the product, which I think has rung true. ROH being incorporated has been another huge one, it just creates such a messy product, a thousand title belts making none of them worth much.

It's clear without the call of the Professor Or Dave that adding shows would or did dilute the product, but I think financially it had to happen. Quantity of television is part of the deal they're about to sign. Improving the quality of the quantity is ongoing. ROH has been a huge mess. I was an early and patient fan of TKROH, but gave up in disappointment months ago. That said, I do think there's some sort of waiting game happening for TV. If they ever do an actual TV show the quality will improve and TK will surely better his ROH run legacy. I totally agree on the belts. The damage this extra set of belts has done has been far more than they've ever understood.  

[Technico Support]

Thanks for all the replies re: The Bucks.  It seems to boil down to “I just don’t like that style.”  And that’s cool.  The customer is always right in matters of taste.  As a guy who had his love for wrestling revived by PWG in 2010, The Bucks and the wild-ass arcade wrestling style are exactly my jam, just inject crazy spotfests into my veins.  If I find myself legit lol’ing at the 5th false finish or 25th insane spot, so much the better.

[tbarrie]

16 hours ago, barrybonanza said:

AEW's two biggest heels are also cheered, despite burning a man's house down, and putting a plastic bag over a friend's head.

Mariah May is clearly one of their biggest heels, and she managed to avoid being cheered at All In despite being A) in her home town and B) freaking gorgeous. So it's not all bad.

Also, almost everything Hangman has done was targeted at somebody who objectively deserved it. So his being cheered by some of the audience doesn't say much. It'll be interesting to see what reaction he gets facing people like Jeff Jarrett who allegedly supported Swerve, and don't deserve what they're likely to get.

But most importantly - wrestling fans, by and large, like violence. I haven't watched WWE in years so I don't know exactly what Dom has been doing to get heel heat, but I suspect he hasn't been violently brutalizing people. I also suspect if he did, a decent portion of the audience would cheer him.

[SovietShooter]

4 hours ago, A.M.B. said:

Since when was pretty much everyone in AEW being violent and using weapons?

The other day while doing cardio i threw on ECW's Barely Legal PPV. I couldn't believe how dated it all just felt.  Every match has the same chairs and tables and repeating spots done in earlier matches. It was all so cutting edge and gritty at the time, and it just hasn't aged well. 

 

I say that, to say this: I wonder if the overreliance on stuff like thumbtacks and light tubes is due to the fact doing stuff with chairs, street signs and other similar plunder is a no-no because of the CTE stigma.  Look at the backlash regarding Jack Perry and Swerve taking shots with obviously gimmicked chairs recently, versus virtually no backlash to Willow and Stat using tacks and light tubes.

I'm not saying they should increase chair shots at the expense of thumbtacks... just that this is kind of the "thing" from this era that will not hold up well in 15 or 20 years.

[Technico Support]

Re: Dominic Misterio…the impression I get is fans are in on the gag and just love to boo him.  Taking it a step further, I believe we’re past “real heel heat” and it just doesn’t exist anymore.  

[username]

I want to zig from defending the Bucks (which I won't do, I personally don't care for their matches but you do you) to defend Mox for a bit as a bunch of people seem down on him if only because of the specifics of this current match-up and match-making. Watching him on Wednesday and he is one of the very few wrestlers in AEW (and in truth current wrestling) who carries himself and works like a top guy. He stalked Darby, played with him, gave him some but never made it seem like they were on the same level and that last bit is what AEW desperately needs. Ospreay could end up working a ROH guy and play rank by taking a full 60% of the match instead of his usual 50% while bumping big for all their moves and giving them a few convincing nearfalls. Mox, particularly what we've seen of this version of Mox, would just kill that guy instead and big picture that works better. A million people give lower ranked opponents a ton, when Mox did it he made Yuta a star.

It is a shame we may not be getting the Darby/Danielson match (blame Nigel or Tony if you want) but you'd have to be nuts to not push this version of Mox about as hard as you can.

[Evil Otto]

I think it's no coincidence that Mox now comes out to his New Japan "Death Rider" theme.  I see this particular character as the now-fully realized version of the Death Rider.  Mox and Hangman becoming two legitimately unsettling killer-type heels in only the past few months is a very promising development.  

Edited September 28 by Evil Otto

[HarryArchieGus]

20 hours ago, A.M.B. said:

The inclusion of light tubes and syringes is unnecessary sure and I probably worded it poorly. It’s just more how I see them being used. Like I think the main event completely outshined the more violent aspects of Willow vs. Stat, so they were killing themselves just to be second best. Getting hit with light tubes should mean something in a deathmatch fed, let alone in a regular company. Nick Gage using light tubes doesn’t really do anything for the company other than a one night pop. Mox coming out and turning on Danielson would have been even crazier if he used light tubes for the first time, that’s what made Stop the Matsunaga great, a deathmatch wrestler dragging people into his world against their will, and the outrage behind it all. And no one else was doing what he was doing in Z1 at the time. 
 

It’s just personal taste but I always respected ROH for not doing a ladder match for 5 years and then finally doing one at the end of a huge blood feud where it finally made sense, and is more memorable to me than 95% of ladder matches because it felt shocking. AEW was giving them away from the start without much build. I like to see them as the result of the feud where there’s a reason a regular match won’t suffice. There’s constantly multi man matches at the PPVs that just look absurdly dangerous and have no need to be ladder matches.

and thumbtacks are absolutely over used, like again, I’m all for it, but think it should feed into the branding of their characters. Let Darby be the thumbtack guy with his skateboard and mask adorned with them. Or maybe Moxley. But we also have them in plenty of Young Bucks matches with the thumbtack shoe. And Britt Baker’s used them. And Statlander. And Eddie Kingston. And Anna Jay. And Abadon. And MJF/Punk. It’s tired and I think is better served to be one guy’s gimmick, like Mankind who would bust them out once a year in a top of the card blood feud.

I would be overjoyed if I never had to see another Ladder Match. I loathe those multi-man scrambles with ladders even more. As you pointed out the matches are needlessly dangerous for the health of the performers. They're also completely Forgettable matches. Save for injuries, worst of all, said dangerous spots tend to make the high risk spots in the matches that follow that much more difficult to gain reaction for. 

As for the general extreme elements, it seems fair to assume that AEW Creative thinks the shock value will create buzz. I don't sense it's working tho. The troubling ticket sales suggest to me that the effect of all the hardcore is hurting their ability to draw families and younger viewers. It's easy to imagine parents not wanting their children to watch AEW. Regardless of age, it's clear that sensitive viewers are also not game. Having said that, I do feel a sense of respect and appreciation for AEW following a vision of pro wrestling that they think is best and not necessarily for a wider audience. 

Edited September 28 by HarryArchieGus

[JLowe]

So, Rampage was pretty good.

It seems they’re already abandoning the ill-advised Top Flight rebrand. Wearing “bombardier” jackets instead of the commercial pilots uniforms. Andretti and Rush squabbling (I’m team Lio here, I think he’s loads more interesting than Andretti although I don’t want either as a part of Top Flight). Perfectly fine match with a couple of spots that took too long to develop.

Anna Jay is back! She forgets to shout out Dark Order, those guys get no respect! What did she learn in Japan? To fight a little more stiff it seems, and a Gory Bomb finisher. Maybe the shotgun dropkick although I think she was already using it. Her intro music has a hyper pop beat now. Robyn Renegade has basically been on AEW since her actual in-ring debut and has gotten markedly better. I know they give her a lot more on ROH, and they’ve let her have more offense on AEW TV, but would like to see her have a little push.

Its Takeshita! Tony has to explain why he’s getting cheers because he’s still ostensibly a heel. It’s Angelico, who the crowd is clearly supposed to know his history and that he is a name talent who will be competitive. Anyway, this should’ve been a 3-4 minute squash. The crowd was very into Takeshita, clapping to build his comebacks, popping for his moves. I think they need to break up the Callis family and let these guys develop real personality.

It’s The Acclaimed! Max makes a very predictable rap. Wrong Springfield, bro. Fancy Clancy looks and carries himself like a young William Regal and I kind of want them to bring him back and lean into that. Acclaimed wrestle a little more aggressively, less pandering (no Scissor me Timbers), and I think that’s good if they’re going to turn them heel (which they should). After, they let Max call MxM “pansies” even though it’s not a live mic which is pretty shitty even if it’s meant to be a heel move. I hope Bowens slapped the shit out of him backstage. MxM are the clear faces here.

Main event time, and Willow is incredibly over! Good lord do I hate Taya’s intro music. Best match of the night, lots of back and forth, both get to show their strength, Taya shows ring veteran savvy, Willow shows her fire.

Edited September 28 by JLowe

[The Natural]

18 hours ago, JLowe said:

I can’t say that all Young Bucks matches are exactly the same, but that’s only because I haven’t seen them all.

Cheers. Legit LOL.

[JLowe]

To add to what I said above about The Acclaimed, “Nut Up or Shut Up” is flopping, as it should. I know it’s got to be hard when you’ve been moving merch and making $$$$ for two years now but they need a hard reboot.

[AxB]

Fancy Ryan Clancy getting TV time is good. Fancy Ryan Clancy knowing how to maximise his exposure by using his one offensive move to hit his fucking incredible Dropkick is better. Now on the other hand, him teaming with The Silver Sniper TJ Crawford is less good, because they've been feuding with each other on the indies for over a year.

[HarryArchieGus]

2 hours ago, JLowe said:

So, Rampage was pretty good.

It seems they’re already abandoning the ill-advised Top Flight rebrand. Wearing “bombardier” jackets instead of the commercial pilots uniforms. Andretti and Rush squabbling (I’m team Lio here, I think he’s loads more interesting than Andretti although I don’t want either as a part of Top Flight). Perfectly fine match with a couple of spots that took too long to develop.

Anna Jay is back! She forgets to shout out Dark Order, those guys get no respect! What did she learn in Japan? To fight a little more stiff it seems, and a Gory Bomb finisher. Maybe the shotgun dropkick although I think she was already using it. Her intro music has a hyper pop beat now. Robyn Renegade has basically been on AEW since her actual in-ring debut and has gotten markedly better. I know they give her a lot more on ROH, and they’ve let her have more offense on AEW TV, but would like to see her have a little push.

Its Takeshita! Tony has to explain why he’s getting cheers because he’s still ostensibly a heel. It’s Angelico, who the crowd is clearly supposed to know his history and that he is a name talent who will be competitive. Anyway, this should’ve been a 3-4 minute squash. The crowd was very into Takeshita, clapping to build his comebacks, popping for his moves. I think they need to break up the Callis family and let these guys develop real personality.

It’s The Acclaimed! Max makes a very predictable rap. Wrong Springfield, bro. Fancy Clancy looks and carries himself like a young William Regal and I kind of want them to bring him back and lean into that. Acclaimed wrestle a little more aggressively, less pandering (no Scissor me Timbers), and I think that’s good if they’re going to turn them heel (which they should). After, they let Max call MxM “pansies” even though it’s not a live mic which is pretty shitty even if it’s meant to be a heel move. I hope Bowens slapped the shit out of him backstage. MxM are the clear faces here.

Main event time, and Willow is incredibly over! Good lord do I hate Taya’s intro music. Best match of the night, lots of back and forth, both get to show their strength, Taya shows ring veteran savvy, Willow shows her fire.

I cosign with a couple notes. Anna Jay was doing things between the spots that made her look more purposeful/comfortable. I'm not saying she's ready, but if they wanted to rocket Anna I'd be all for it. She's comfortable on the mic (tho, 'Try Me' falls a bit short as an exclamation point). She's the Great One! I also wanna note in agreement that Robyn Renegade looked good here, and has come a long way. I really liked that HOB-Andretti/Lio opener, and the direction of Andretti losing his shit. That bottle throw on Brody made for a fun little angle. This is a match I'd love to see run back on A or more likely B (something they shouldn't be afraid to do more when a Rampage pairing works). On Takeshita, I love Don Callis and his family, but Konosuke has become a tough sell as a heel. He's also working too many nice matches on Rampage that too few are even seeing. If Takeshita left Don he'd probably need some mic assistance. A buddy up maybe? I see no issue with a babyface in need finding their way to the Conglomeration. I really liked Acclaimed's aggression in their match, and love seeing the board talk on both Clancy and Crawford. They both did their Job extremely well. Viva MxM! The Willow-Taya main event was easily the best quarter hour I've seen from Taya. (I did miss the beginning) Down the stretch this was really strong. It's incredible seeing Willow get a tiny tired end of the night crowd going. I love Mariah May, but Willow needs the rocket strapped to her to properly carry this company. She continues to quietly prove herself to be one of their greatest stars. 

[Matt D]

Bryan vs Nigel

http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2024/09/aew-five-fingers-of-death-923-929-part-1.html

[SovietShooter]

5 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said:

As for the general extreme elements, it seems fair to assume that AEW Creative thinks the shock value will create buzz. I don't sense it's working tho. The troubling ticket sales suggest to me that the effect of all the hardcore is hurting their ability to draw families and younger viewers. It's easy to imagine parents not wanting their children to watch AEW. Regardless of age, it's clear that sensitive viewers are also not game. Having said that, I do feel a sense of respect and appreciation for AEW following a vision of pro wrestling that they think is best and not necessarily for a wider audience. 

As I see more and more discussion about how AEW draws, juxtaposed with the inevitable TV deal being announced, I think the promotion is eating itself trying to serve two masters. I think they are running big arenas so they can have high production values and elaborate sets that please their tv partners, while at the same time trying to have an in-ring product that would work better in an ECW Arena-like venue. Clearly the promotion is going to be kept alive (and profitable!) by their tv deal, so they are going to cater to that. And if you watch the show in a vacuum and have no idea what the attendance is, it appears to be a great crowd, which apparently is what WBD and Fox want.

I dunno, I'm kinda rambling, but I think we need to re-think the idea that on the business end of things AEW is dependent on ticket sales or weekly ratings.  The things that appear to be important to them are PPV buys, and broadcast rights. And if an entity is going to pay for their product, then they are going to provide it, even if it stretches them thin or hurts the creative.

[Gordi the recovering AEW f]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:44 PM, A.M.B. said:

 ...in a company where pretty much everyone is violent and is using thumbtacks, light tubes, needles, etc.

In a recent Ranmaru Fest show, there was a spot where they used a weapon in what struck me as a near-perfect way. (Also, arguably, the best turn-things-around punch since Sangre Chicana vs MS-1). Keep in mind: This is coming from a guy who is on record as having been put off by the plastic bag/cinder block/hypodermic needle stuff... I'll put it in spoiler tags for those who are at work, or sensitive to ultraviolence:

Spoiler

 

Hopefully we can all agree that clip points the way forward for AEW.

 

Also, seriously: AEW should DEFINITELY bring Irie in for a run.

 

I'll edit in my brief Collision thoughts:

 

The BEST POSSIBLE GUY answered Jungle Full Grown Man's open challenge! The finish was lame. The post-match was PERFECT.

Nice job using the strap match to set up Juice vs (literal) Hangman without being too obvious about it!

 

Rick-a-boney spending MINUTES of commentary time trying to get the rest of the team to agree with him that Sammy needs to use his speed because Okada is not used to fighting high-flying wrestler (like, say, I dunno, oh, how about... Omega, Ospreay, Ibushi...) was INSANE. Then he absolutely capped it off perfectly by using Tanahashi as an example of the kind of grounded power wrestler that Okada is used to fighting. 

It must have been awkward a.f. for Tony and Daddy Magic because obviously the unwritten rule is you should always agree with and support your fellow commentators.

Yet another in a long string of overall enjoyable shows... including at least one thing I can enjoy bitching about.

Edited September 29 by Gordi the recovering AEW f

[Eivion]

On 9/27/2024 at 6:08 PM, tbarrie said:

But most importantly - wrestling fans, by and large, like violence. I haven't watched WWE in years so I don't know exactly what Dom has been doing to get heel heat, but I suspect he hasn't been violently brutalizing people. I also suspect if he did, a decent portion of the audience would cheer him.

He betrayed his own father, insulted his family, and has just been growing as a sleazy douchebag heel. 

On 9/27/2024 at 6:38 PM, Technico Support said:

Re: Dominic Misterio…the impression I get is fans are in on the gag and just love to boo him.  Taking it a step further, I believe we’re past “real heel heat” and it just doesn’t exist anymore.  

Yes and no. They definitely hated his ass legit at first. Over time they have definitely started to appreciate him more for what he does and be in on the gag. Its hard to truly hate anyone who can legit fluster and annoy Logan Paul with such ease and grace.

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

- Saraya and Harley are great.  Saraya banned hammerlocks in this match.  Uses a hammerlock DDT.  Epic heeling.  I appreciated the creative use of the keyboard as both a bludgeon and using the cord to choke Hayter.  You might say it's 2024 and keyboards don't have cords.  You might say that.  I would never treat my VCR like that.  This was fine.

- not really paying attention to the trios match, liked the chair/kicks spot, match picked up after that.

- Big Bill trust fall crushing Bad Apple lmao

- surprised at the finish.  Jericho-Briscoe ROH title yay!  Guess him and Orange is done?  What about the 10 grand and the car?

- where have HOB been?  totally forgot about them

- New music for Claudio.  Love Ian saying historically Claudio has had trouble with luchadores and high flyers to explain why they look so good against him.  That's some fucking A+ commentary

- the shot of Pac smiling when Wheeler is doing the hammer/anvil was great.  good character work in this match

- pretty great Outrunners video

- Mortos needs to turn face soon

- we got namedrops of Psycosis, El Dandy, Silver King but the first name Ian goes to is BLITZKRIEG?!?

- Really fun 3 way.  Hey, now Mortos has someone to turn face on

- without further adieu.....that's French for adieu.  What's the soup of the day?

- nice to see Juice dressed for the occasion

- lived long enough to hear Jeff Jarrett called an all-time great.  This is some Bullet Bob Armstrong shit

- Not really into this, feels like a weak followup to the cage match and after all the buildup with JJ.  Match finally picked up after the break.  LMAO at Juice whipping hangman in the ass after getting punched, now I want to see that match!

- JJ off the top!!!  I rewound that

- Hangman taking a fucking beating with the straps outside, all welted up now.  Lethal caught him in the side of the head!

- Turned into a pretty fun match and we're getting Hangman-Juice! 

Entertaining show that set up several matches and stuff for the future.  Can't believe WrestleDream is in two weeks already.  AEFUCKINDUB

 

Edited September 29 by ExcellenceofAirPollution