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9 hours ago, PetrolCB said:

Is he really that bad off? I’m not trying to be crass here, but it just seems like he’s been posting about dying 4-5 times a year, for the past few years now. 

Not quite that long IIRC. But my charitable reading of that is sometimes health problems beget more health problems. 

4 hours ago, RolandTHTG said:

And was told he had months to live this time last year. 

And year before that car accident.

Always around Wrestlemania time. 

I know what you're saying, and it wouldn't be the most surprising thing to occur. But I love Vader, so I put on blinders occasionally. 

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1 hour ago, West Newbury Bad Boy said:

I know what you're saying, and it wouldn't be the most surprising thing to occur. But I love Vader, so I put on blinders occasionally. 

Just go ahead and believe him.

If you do, the worst outcome is you got worked by an old carny trying to get one last moment in the spotlight.

If you don't, the worst outcome is you cynically mistrusted a dying man's last wish because you didn't want to be a mark.

Pascal's Kayfabe.

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Undertaker has had the High Plains Drifter aura for most of his career. Sure, he had his cult leader phase, which was about as spooky and mysterious as the Dungeon of Doom. However since the Streak began, it has been nothing but having to address little pricks' wishes for him to have one last gunfight with them. I always saw Bray as more of a Mason the Mutilator garden variety lunatic, who got educated enough to realize he'd rather lead his own cult than be some mortician's gimp. I have no idea what Bray's Mr. Socko will turn out to be if his character ever takes a similar turn to Mankind. Perhaps he shits in his hat and Ganso bombs his foes into his bowel leavings. Husky Harris sure ain't no Cactus Jack.

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7 hours ago, FluffSnackwell said:

Undertaker has had the High Plains Drifter aura for most of his career. Sure, he had his cult leader phase, which was about as spooky and mysterious as the Dungeon of Doom. However since the Streak began, it has been nothing but having to address little pricks' wishes for him to have one last gunfight with them. I always saw Bray as more of a Mason the Mutilator garden variety lunatic, who got educated enough to realize he'd rather lead his own cult than be some mortician's gimp. I have no idea what Bray's Mr. Socko will turn out to be if his character ever takes a similar turn to Mankind. Perhaps he shits in his hat and Ganso bombs his foes into his bowel leavings. Husky Harris sure ain't no Cactus Jack.

Uh... what the hell?

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Story wise I linked Bray Wyatt's origin to Husky Harris getting punted by Randy Orton. He had been a loyal member of CM Punk's New Nexus and Punk left him for dead. He struggles with what happened and realizes it is better to be the cult leader than the follower. If you want to count non WWE, his dad was a follower of Kevin Sullivan and went from identity to identity trying to find worth. 

About three years ago Bray starts believing his own lie and entered a downward spiral. 

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Seeing the Black Wedding mentioned earlier, has Stephanie McMahon been diagnosed with PTSD yet? She's been kidnapped multiple times, she faked being drugged, raped and forcibly married just to get back at her father for her first kidnapping, she faked a pregnancy to keep her husband, she had to fight her dad when he wouldn't stop his second public affair, when her father was having his first public affair, she was okay with that one as long as she got to abuse his mistress, she found out her father had a bastard child, she was RKO'd and forcibly kissed just to enrage her husband , she had her crowning moment ruined by her "prodigal son" brother ruin her award ceremony and be welcomed back as if he had never left the family business.

Also how is she allowed to be a chief executive in a company when all that has happened to her? Or is WWE not a publicly traded company in kayfabe

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Honestly I used wikipedia to remember all she went through. It sounds like somewhere WWE retconned the whole thing to make Stephanie a willing participant because they didn't want one of their bigger stars to be a sexual predator.

EDIT: After I hit post I remembered they also had him pretend fuck a corpse and throw fake brains at the camera so I'm not 100% sure they care if Hunter is a sexual predator.

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13 minutes ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

I was wondering if we have any LGBT folks on the board who might be comfortable giving their opinion on this article? 

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/03/kenny-omega-and-kota-ibushis-relationship-is-a-cru.html

I'm not of the requested demographic, but, if I may, this smacks of the same line of thinking that was going around when "Captain America: Civil War" came out and people were clamoring for Cap & Bucky to come out as a couple.

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45 minutes ago, nate said:

I'm not of the requested demographic, but, if I may, this smacks of the same line of thinking that was going around when "Captain America: Civil War" came out and people were clamoring for Cap & Bucky to come out as a couple.

It's not really that similar at all, honestly. Back in the DDT days, Kenny talked about them moving to the US and getting married in an interview; he's mentioned dating men and women in several "canon" New Japan features and BTE; he suggested newer fans read a twitter thread recapping the whole thing as a "gay love story"; and he's been pretty open about the fact that he likes it that some queer fans see themselves in the story, or at least take some comfort in the fact that it exists.

I do think fans extend themselves too far when trying to extrapolate what is real from the fiction, and in that regard resemble more (let's be charitable) ambitious shippers; but if we limit ourselves to the story that's been/is being told, the queer subtext for this angle is pretty clear, perhaps to the point that you'd just call it text, and drop the prefix.

Anyway, having said that, it's difficult to say too much about the article beyond "That is the author's sincerely expressed experience, and it's valid". There is no uniform queer experience, and though I'm of the OP's requested demographic, I'm never really comfortable acting as a spokesperson. Similarly, a story having queer (sub)text doesn't mean it's only queer, which is where we get the "Don't label it; it's a universal story of two people who were once close overcoming the wedge they drove between themselves to come back together", which is very classic pro wrestling. I think, fundamentally, that is what the author of the Paste piece is getting at--and I do feel plenty comfortable agreeing here--that the story is important because it is specific without being segregated, inclusive rather than othering.

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30 minutes ago, Beech27 said:

It's not really that similar at all, honestly. Back in the DDT days, Kenny talked about them moving to the US and getting married in an interview; he's mentioned dating men and women in several "canon" New Japan features and BTE; he suggested newer fans read a twitter thread recapping the whole thing as a "gay love story"; and he's been pretty open about the fact that he likes it that some queer fans see themselves in the story, or at least take some comfort in the fact that it exists.

Well, that's cool.  This entire part I was not aware of, and I had to read the Paste article pretty quick (at work) so I don't recall if I saw that in the original article.  If it wasn't in the article it should be, because yes, that does add a different element.  But taken at the face value of the article parts I recall, I got my initial impression.  I'll re-read it at lunch, within the context of this new (to me) info.  Thanks.

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