Dolfan in NYC Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 They were, however, doomed to have at least issues considering there was no one for either of them to work with. Bring in a giant lucha star and have him in matches with...the same 3 dudes over and over and over because none of the bigger guys knew how to work lucha style. And bringing in Kong at a time when they had no women wrestlers that could even run the ropes. Someone can't be a star on their own. They have to have people to work with. Kong and Mistico were not given that opportunity. Yeah, but no one told Kong to fake a child birth either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 If it is true that she lost the child and carried on afterward as if she didn't, all I can do is give her my sympathy as I can't imagine how I would react in that situation. That weird situation was just a real shame for Kong and HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 They were, however, doomed to have at least issues considering there was no one for either of them to work with. Bring in a giant lucha star and have him in matches with...the same 3 dudes over and over and over because none of the bigger guys knew how to work lucha style. And bringing in Kong at a time when they had no women wrestlers that could even run the ropes. Someone can't be a star on their own. They have to have people to work with. Kong and Mistico were not given that opportunity. So everyone's suppose to change their style to accommodate Mistico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 They were, however, doomed to have at least issues considering there was no one for either of them to work with. Bring in a giant lucha star and have him in matches with...the same 3 dudes over and over and over because none of the bigger guys knew how to work lucha style. And bringing in Kong at a time when they had no women wrestlers that could even run the ropes. Someone can't be a star on their own. They have to have people to work with. Kong and Mistico were not given that opportunity. Yeah, but no one told Kong to fake a child birth either. That's kind of...harsh. I'm sure she was going through some shit after her miscarriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Del Rio said Mistico put no effort into adapting to the American style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 In the general sense - yes a lot more people should work lucha libre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Mistico also said he "didn't like" English, and therefore never bothered to try and learn it. I mean, if they had ended up signing Averno, did he think they would just work each other forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 They were, however, doomed to have at least issues considering there was no one for either of them to work with. Bring in a giant lucha star and have him in matches with...the same 3 dudes over and over and over because none of the bigger guys knew how to work lucha style. And bringing in Kong at a time when they had no women wrestlers that could even run the ropes. Someone can't be a star on their own. They have to have people to work with. Kong and Mistico were not given that opportunity. So everyone's suppose to change their style to accommodate Mistico? Well, no, but he needed more people who could bridge the gap so he could get used to the style and be able to work with other guys besides Tyson/Hunnico/Chavo over and over. You can't expect to hire a guy for his style and then have him wrestle people who don't work that style and expect it to work itself out in a hurry. It took Hideo Itami 8 months just to START getting acclimated, and that was while actually working in the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 If Mistico and ADR had such heat in AAA they had to install metal detectors to make sure no one was packing, it goes to show he was prob not going to work out in WWE. At least ADR is tall and handsome and speaks English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 So everyone's suppose to change their style to accommodate Mistico? Well, no, but he needed more people who could bridge the gap so he could get used to the style and be able to work with other guys besides Tyson/Hunnico/Chavo over and over. You can't expect to hire a guy for his style and then have him wrestle people who don't work that style and expect it to work itself out in a hurry. It took Hideo Itami 8 months just to START getting acclimated, and that was while actually working in the PC. Blame Mistico then, he didn't want to go to developmental and learn the style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I just think the idea of a "long term plan" in today's WWE means something a lot different than it did years ago. Outside of Roman's big push and the year long Rock/Cena "build" I'm struggling to come up with any recent examples of long term planning. The WWE had a clear long-term plan to have Batista win the title at Mania XXX, get destroyed by Lesnar at SummerSlam to make Lesnar the ultimate monster heel, and then have Roman Reigns beat him at Wrestlemania Play Button. This is why they don't do long-term plans anymore. Seems like they should have stuck to that. Why? It wouldn't have gotten Reigns over any better, and people would have just shat all over XXX, with the streak ending being followed with 75,000 people shitting all over Bootista's big triumph like it was a Royal Rumble match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Blame Mistico then, he didn't want to go to developmental and learn the style. I would say some of that has to go on WWE for not making it non-negotiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 They were, however, doomed to have at least issues considering there was no one for either of them to work with. Bring in a giant lucha star and have him in matches with...the same 3 dudes over and over and over because none of the bigger guys knew how to work lucha style. And bringing in Kong at a time when they had no women wrestlers that could even run the ropes. Someone can't be a star on their own. They have to have people to work with. Kong and Mistico were not given that opportunity. Yeah, but no one told Kong to fake a child birth either. Postpartum depression was likely the culprit. Women don't fake childbirth under normal circumstances. Something was clearly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I just think the idea of a "long term plan" in today's WWE means something a lot different than it did years ago. Outside of Roman's big push and the year long Rock/Cena "build" I'm struggling to come up with any recent examples of long term planning. The WWE had a clear long-term plan to have Batista win the title at Mania XXX, get destroyed by Lesnar at SummerSlam to make Lesnar the ultimate monster heel, and then have Roman Reigns beat him at Wrestlemania Play Button. This is why they don't do long-term plans anymore. Seems like they should have stuck to that. Why? It wouldn't have gotten Reigns over any better, and people would have just shat all over XXX, with the streak ending being followed with 75,000 people shitting all over Bootista's big triumph like it was a Royal Rumble match. Seeing how the alternative was a disaster, it was the better path. Brock destroying Batista would have been more shocking and gotten him more over. Reigns would not have faced the opposition he did in the 2015 Rumble. Might even be a better for Bryan since he would not feel pressure to return quickly. At worst it is a lateral movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Triple H is the GM of nxt. So like any other sport, he will get credit for signings that work and he will receive blame for the ones that don't (though in reality, he's never getting fired so the blame is only criticism on the net) But really it's the coaches also and then creative. Hunter has put excellent coaches in place and in nxt he has ward writing the shows. We can credit that to him also but it's difficult to claim failures or success once these guys make the main roster. How much input does hunter have over their characters and booking once they are out of nxt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Kong miscarried and she has been very frank about how it impacted her mental state. The door was open to her by all accounts but she wasn't ready to commit to that kind of schedule so soon after dealing with her recovery. To my recollection the parting was amicable. She wasn't a "Bust" per se. She was willing to work when she came in, just timing for everything derailed her push. She might be the best "What could have been" example of a star for the women's division before the current crop of NXT girls came along James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Seeing how the alternative was a disaster, it was the better path. Brock destroying Batista would have been more shocking and gotten him more over. Reigns would not have faced the opposition he did in the 2015 Rumble. Might even be a better for Bryan since he would not feel pressure to return quickly. At worst it is a lateral movement. Brock destroying Cena was unarguably > than destroying Batista would have been, not just in terms of the shock factor of destroying John Cena instead of the part-timer on his way out, but also because where Cena remains popular with a big chunk of the audience, Batista didn't really get any of the crowd on-side, so Brock would have been a huge babyface. The end result would be Brock would end up just as much preferred by the crowd at 31 as he was, but you wouldn't have had that WMXXX bump, which remember was right when the Network was debuting. At best it is a lateral movement. At worst it's chasing fans away at the very moment it needed to be giving them a reason to stick around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 The plans changing made Brock significantly more over and a draw. Roman got an extra year to cook and improved in the ring significantly. WM30 ended up being an awesome show. The change of plans worked out for the best for like...everyone involved. Bryan and his fans got WM30, Batista got to make more movies, Roman got to get better, Brock turned into the super final boss face, Rollins got his (shitty) title reign. Plus Shao Kahn and Terminator HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafkonia Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Because the last thread got locked, I never got to do my list of "people I'd rather see in the Rumble than RVD". -Carlito -Masters -Elijah Burke -Christian -Vladimir Kozlov -Mil Mascaras -Drew Carey -Khali -Shane McMahon -Vince McMahon -Stephanie McMahon -Mr. Anderson -Arn Anderson -Karl Anderson -Hans Christian Andersen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 Fuck Mil Mascaras 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Fuck Mil Mascaras A dangerous game. Watch your underwears, friend. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubbymark Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Had I won the Powerball, I now would have wanted to book Mil Mascaras to face New Jack, and I'd have enough $$$ to get Mil to do the motherfucking job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 You'll get one member of an attitude era tag team but not both(money is on Road Dogg), Booker T, and I dunno, Carlito or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stro Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 God, that reminds me of Bubba returning in the Rumble and just grabbing the closest black guy near him to fill in for D-Von. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I'm not giving Hunter credit for signing a Flair That was happening no matter who was calling shots. On the Stone Cold Podcast Flair said it was Ace who approached her at the HOF ceremony when the Horsemen got inducted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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