mco543 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 It's always been amusing to me that going down the list of main event babyfaces since 1984 that Bret Hart is probably the only one who wasn't a dickhead or asshole on television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 That selfish asshole didn't tag his brother in at Royal Rumble 1994. He knew he had a bad leg but he had to be the hero against The Quebecers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 But he also selflessly gave Hulk Hogan his blessing to accept Yokozuna's challenge at Wrestlemania 9. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 It's always been amusing to me that going down the list of main event babyfaces since 1984 that Bret Hart is probably the only one who wasn't a dickhead or asshole on television. I'd say he was quite the dick. I mean, isnt the whole "best there is" deal him being an arrogant smug bastard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Lord Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 But he also selflessly gave Hulk Hogan his blessing to accept Yokozuna's challenge at Wrestlemania 9. Well, he probably didn't think even Hogan could beat Yoko. Bret was too trusting of a fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 It's always been amusing to me that going down the list of main event babyfaces since 1984 that Bret Hart is probably the only one who wasn't a dickhead or asshole on television.I'd say he was quite the dick. I mean, isnt the whole "best there is" deal him being an arrogant smug bastard? In the immortal words of Kid Rock, it ain't bragging if you back it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 There was a picture of Bret in this month's thread of when he went on his awesome rant about getting screwed (the whole aftermath following the cage match with Sid). I can't remember now. What was the first really TV-14 kind of moment that started ushering in the Attitude Era? Was it something with Dustin? I remember Lawler calling him the f-word. IIRC, Lawler didn't call him the f-word. He said something "Aren't you....queer?" then Dustin said "NO" to thunderous applause. Bad times. It was both, two different promos. The one you mention, Dec 1996 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmxxqi_goldust-answers-the-question-raw-12-16-96_sport Then the calling him the f-word promo, June 1997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 There was a picture of Bret in this month's thread of when he went on his awesome rant about getting screwed (the whole aftermath following the cage match with Sid). I can't remember now. What was the first really TV-14 kind of moment that started ushering in the Attitude Era? Was it something with Dustin? I remember Lawler calling him the f-word. IIRC, Lawler didn't call him the f-word. He said something "Aren't you....queer?" then Dustin said "NO" to thunderous applause. Bad times. It was both, two different promos. The one you mention, Dec 1996 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmxxqi_goldust-answers-the-question-raw-12-16-96_sport Then the calling him the f-word promo, June 1997 WOW. Don't think I'd ever seen that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The Pillman-Austin gun angle happened before almost anything mentioned in regards to what the birthplace of the Attitude Era was. The "Alberto Del Rio would have been totally fine and gotten over if they had just let him keep his cool cars" talking point is still the weirdest one I've seen on DVDVR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Guy Named Tracy Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I like Jay Lethal a lot, actually. I think everything he does is smart and smooth except his finish. Please explain his hip toss, cartwheel, seated dropkick spot to me. The recipient has to sit up after the hip toss to make the spot work. It makes no sense and it drives me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insidecradle Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Maybe I'm biased because of the memory of actually ordering the PPV, which were very few and far between, but I'd say Royal Rumble 96 kinda pushed the envelope to attitude. Diesel pulling the ref out and causing Taker the title and then flipping him off right on camera. Then Shawn Michaels post rumble match striptease.... I know it might sound funny/weird but even as a kid I thought it was inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 For me, the Attitude era started when everyone started cussing and Austin broke Pillman's ankle - that seemed to be a line in the sand moment and an angle I really wasn't used to as a wrestling fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneybrown Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 For me, the Attitude era started when everyone started cussing and Austin broke Pillman's ankle - that seemed to be a line in the sand moment and an angle I really wasn't used to as a wrestling fan There is definitely a "beta" version of the Attitude era in late 95-early 96 starting with the Diesel "tweener" speech. RAW started having Sunny show up in provocative clothes giving the "viewer discretion advised" speech at the beginning, there was a Razor Ramon-Goldust backstage fight where Michael Hayes clearly says "oh shit" accidentally on purpose, and they showed the Bret Hart-British Bulldog IYH bloodbath uncensored when blood was pretty much banned on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 In all fairness Vince told the cameramen on live mic to pull back and they did. It really doesn't look that bloody with Hitman's hair in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I just made a post about that terrible Goldust promo stuff from '96-'97 in another thread...that Lawler promo is fucking awful. Even as a teenager with a much less refined sense of how to act, it seemed pretty bad to put on the air. I had another random question for everyone to ponder: What is the best WCW match ever? My vote is for Vader/Sting King of Cable at Starrcade '92. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 War Games '92. As far as straight wrestling, probably Flair-Steamboat 2/3 falls. (Assuming anything post-November 1988 counts as "WCW.") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Many would say eddy vs rey at hallowe'en havoc. I would throw flair v funk i-quit match in consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Yeah, I meant post-'88 when it actually became branded as WCW. I think War Games '92 and '94 are both in contention as well as Eddy/Rey at Havoc '97 and Steamboat/Rude Iron Man at Beach Blast '93. Those would probably be my top five matches from the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I just made a post about that terrible Goldust promo stuff from '96-'97 in another thread...that Lawler promo is fucking awful. Even as a teenager with a much less refined sense of how to act, it seemed pretty bad to put on the air. I had another random question for everyone to ponder: What is the best WCW match ever? My vote is for Vader/Sting King of Cable at Starrcade '92. Fuck Jerry Lawler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I have to go with Bunkhouse Buck-Dustin Rhodes at Spring Stampede. I love it to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 left unsaid in the Lawler/Goldust talk is that it was held in a USWA town and Lawler got the face pops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 WWE is putting the Network to good use, as Paul Heyman will be LIVE on the Network tonight to talk about the NBC/Brian Williams "scandal". I always love it when WWE tries to shoehorn themselves into mainstream stuff like this. Vince is so desperate to be a part of that circle that it's kind of pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Well, who knows more about lying than Paul Heyman? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Friday night idea for the Network: the week in review, including WWE stuff and talent commenting on random real world topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 They should just bring back Wally George and have Paul Heyman take him on Crossfire style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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