Happ Hazzard Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 What if: The Freebirds stay in the WWF in 1984 and Michael Hayes takes Roddy Piper's spot as lead heel, WrestleMania 1 becomes Hulk Hogan and Mr T. vs Michael Hayes and Terry Gordy. 2
BloodyChamp Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Michael Hayes had IT. 1 of the most underrated guys ever imo. I don’t have all of those dates organized in my head but I think the original Von Erichs/Freebirds feud goes unaffected. Then obviously the second feud doesn’t happen. Unfortunately I don’t know if much changes for the Von Erichs. The territory perhaps dries up without even being salvaged for that short while with Jarrett without the second Freebirds feud to keep it alive. Piper was great but when he lost it in the ring it was a pretty drastic change, not like some of the others from his mold who slowly lost it and worked around it. I could see his career being similar to most guys like him who didn’t get the break in the WWF. A WCW life in limbo, a guy who bounced around, who knows. He’s the wildcard in this what if. Edited March 1, 2020 by BloodyChamp 1
BloodyChamp Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 Also I don’t think “fire” is the thing that Bret didn’t have that kept him from wrestling in the NWA or WCW. He might have lacked fire in some situations, but only because he knew a trash heap when he saw one and he just flat out wasn’t 1 to work under disorganized circumstances. The 1 exception is obviously WCW at the end but that didn’t exactly last and that was a desperate reach anyway, and his last. I loved the NWA but on it’s best day it was never as organized as the WWF. And WCW lol yeah right.
SorceressKnight Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 5 hours ago, BloodyChamp said: Michael Hayes had IT. 1 of the most underrated guys ever imo. I don’t have all of those dates organized in my head but I think the original Von Erichs/Freebirds feud goes unaffected. Then obviously the second feud doesn’t happen. Unfortunately I don’t know if much changes for the Von Erichs. The territory perhaps dries up without even being salvaged for that short while with Jarrett without the second Freebirds feud to keep it alive. Piper was great but when he lost it in the ring it was a pretty drastic change, not like some of the others from his mold who slowly lost it and worked around it. I could see his career being similar to most guys like him who didn’t get the break in the WWF. A WCW life in limbo, a guy who bounced around, who knows. He’s the wildcard in this what if. The problem with that is that when you consider how things go in the early-national WWF, Q rating also matters as much as talent would have. Michael Hayes may have had IT to be a big star in WWF if they stayed, but Roddy Piper was pretty similar in having the ability to talk fans into interest, but also had slightly more Q rating than Hayes did at the time (even if it was because "a lot of famous people were Piper fans.") It seems likely that Piper sells Mania 1, but the Freebirds vs. Hogan/Orndorff/a random celebrity main events Los Angeles for Mania 2.
Southside Jim Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) What if...Vince had the idea to do the Attitude Era 13 years earlier? Ravishing Rick Rude: Cut the music! What I'd like to have right now, is for all you fat, micro dick *bleep*, SHUT THE *bleep* UP while I take my robe off and let the ladies see the body they'll be fantasizing about tonight as you slide your three inch cocks into their dry holes and blow your load in less than 30 seconds! Hit the music! --------------------------------- When Bobby Heenan and the Islanders kidnapped Matilda, instead of giving her back several weeks later, Bobby would invite Mean Gene to Tonga and reveal that the Islanders cooked and ate Matilda! --------------------------------- The British Bulldogs would be retooled into a pair of racist, mysoginistic soccer hooligans modeled after Gary Oldman's character in The Firm. --------------------------------- Bad News Brown would be a black militant who would feud with Junk Yard Dog and claim that JYD was an Uncle Tom, cut promos calling out and insulting interracial couples in the audience, and when Koko B. Ware started dying his hair to match his tights, he'd attack Koko for "abandoning his cultural heritage." -------------------------------- The Jake Roberts/Rick Rude feud would see Cheryl turning heel and revealing that she actually did have an affair with Rude. -------------------------------- Demolition would shoot an angle where they refuse to remove their spiked ring masks before a match with Strike Force, and use their costumes to turn Tito and Martel into a bloody mess. ------------------------------- Slick would be portrayed as an actual, working pimp, predating the Godfather by over a decade, bringing his stable of hos with him to the ring. The Twin Towers vs. Megapowers feud would include a match stip where Elizabeth has to join Slick's stable if Hogan/Savage lose, and there would be a WWF Special Report where Mean Gene and a camera crew follow Slick as he takes Elizabeth to some low rent fashion boutiques and forces her to get a slutty makeover. ------------------------------ Jack Tunney would be on every episode, a corrupt, power mad WWF president who feuded with Hogan and constantly signed improptu matches. Edited April 8, 2020 by Southside Jim 2
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 The Edge/Lita/Matt triangle starts early as Bobby Heenan replaces The Red Rooster with the Brooklyn Brawler, who gets outed as being Steve Lombardi, Pat Patterson's SHOOT lover. Liz making the save for Savage is instead Gorilla making the save for Bobby from an attack at the hands of Patterson, Lombardi and the Cis Rooster. Gorilla and Bobby wed at Summerslam.
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 The Heidenreich and Michael Cole poems are done by a recently released from prison Ken Patera and Craig DeGeorge. Mr T is a heavy favourite to win the Brawl For All after Rocky 3 and build him up as a Hogan opponent. He gets knocked the fuck out by Tiger Chung Lee. 2
cwoy2j Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, RolandTHTG said: The Heidenreich and Michael Cole poems are done by a recently released from prison Ken Patera and Craig DeGeorge. Mr T is a heavy favourite to win the Brawl For All after Rocky 3 and build him up as a Hogan opponent. He gets knocked the fuck out by Tiger Chung Lee. I'd love for someone to do a 1980s Brawl For All bracket. Just pick a random year from the WWF and use that roster to create a BFA.
SorceressKnight Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 For some other What Ifs: What if La Parka realized Pentagon was injured in their match in 1996? Pentagon gets a neck injury from a back body drop. La Parka doesn't realize it and makes the injury worse until the ref pulls La Parka off. Pentagon nearly dies, the medics revive him. Pentagon's career is ended in an instant- and because of how AAA treated it, all of Pentagon's relatives instantly jump to CMLL and refuse to ever work for AAA again. Cut to the modern day and your potential changes: This stuff doesn't occur, presumably Pentagon's family are still willing to work in AAA. Years down the line, when Octagon Jr. makes his debut and needs a rival, then lucha libre nepotism would mean that when giving the Pentagon Jr. gimmick to someone, that'd mean preferential treatment for who gets the gimmick goes to Pentagon and his family. As is also common in lucha libre, it's pretty easy to figure that, when giving the gimmick, the family chooses to bypass giving the gimmick to Pentagon I's son and instead give it to the best prospect in the family, his nephew, Brillante Jr. (La Sombra/Andrade.) End result of that: Los Ingobernables does not form in CMLL (and because of that, Los Ingobernables de Japon does not form in New Japan either.) Dark Dragon misses out on getting the Pentagon Jr. gimmick, so the Lucha Bros remain AAA midcarders. MAYBE Fenix or Dark Dragon get picked up for Lucha Underground, but it's much less of a slam dunk that they do...and even if they do, Dark Dragon does not become the breakout star of Lucha Underground (meaning the Lucha Bros don't get the buzz they get in America enough to also be big parts of the indies and then AEW), and presumably 'Pentagon Jr." remains the breakout star of Lucha Underground, and thus it's far harder for WWE to lock up Andrade (and if they do eventually get him, it's far after his signing then and he's a much different performer.) 1
AxB Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 What if, instead of World of Sport getting cancelled in 1988 and the World Wrestling Federation becoming the biggest promotion in the UK... the WWF's tv deals were cancelled in 1988 and World of Sport became the biggest promotion in America?
DangerMark Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I cannot imagine any sort of Attitude Era happening that involves Johnny Saint.
clintthecrippler Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, SorceressKnight said: Pentagon gets a neck injury from a back body drop. La Parka doesn't realize it and makes the injury worse until the ref pulls La Parka off. Pentagon nearly dies, the medics revive him. Pentagon's career is ended in an instant- and because of how AAA treated it, all of Pentagon's relatives instantly jump to CMLL and refuse to ever work for AAA again. Has it ever been clarified how or why exactly Pentagon suffered an injury on that bump? It's always looked like a fairly routine back bump he took that on the surface doesn't look like anything catastrophic. Was there an underlying issue or simply a case of he was probably already injured and it was just one bump too many?
SorceressKnight Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, clintthecrippler said: Has it ever been clarified how or why exactly Pentagon suffered an injury on that bump? It's always looked like a fairly routine back bump he took that on the surface doesn't look like anything catastrophic. Was there an underlying issue or simply a case of he was probably already injured and it was just one bump too many? More than likely, it'd seem like the same as a lot of "they probably took the move a million times safely, but on this case, their bump card just ran out" thing, if that's the case.
Mister TV Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 7 hours ago, AxB said: What if, instead of World of Sport getting cancelled in 1988 and the World Wrestling Federation becoming the biggest promotion in the UK... the WWF's tv deals were cancelled in 1988 and World of Sport became the biggest promotion in America? I don’t think Big Daddy squashing wrestlers with Irish names would fly in the US.
Hamhock Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 13 hours ago, cwoy2j said: I'd love for someone to do a 1980s Brawl For All bracket. Just pick a random year from the WWF and use that roster to create a BFA. No problem - Haku was in the WWF starting in 1985. He wins each year until he leaves in 1992. 4
Elsalvajeloco Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hamhock said: No problem - Haku was in the WWF starting in 1985. He wins each year until he leaves in 1992. Haku vs. Dan Spivey would be an ideal matchup from 85-88. 2
odessasteps Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) I mentioned in the Viceland thread that they had talked about on BTS doing a 1988 BFA,which could include Haku, the Bulldogs, the Rougeaus, anvil, Duggan, Harley, savage, bubba, rude,bravo, patera, Reed, muraco,valentine, Blair, Hercules,Billy Jack, Roma,Bigelow and Bad News. Imagine News v Haku Edited April 14, 2020 by odessasteps 1
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, cwoy2j said: I'd love for someone to do a 1980s Brawl For All bracket. Just pick a random year from the WWF and use that roster to create a BFA. Let's go pre WM4 1988 Don Muraco, Haku, Bad News Brown, Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart, Tama, Bam Bam Bigelow, Butch Reed, Ax, Smash, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan, Greg "The Hammer" Valentine, Dynamite Kid, Davey Boy Smith, Jacques Rougeau, Raymond Rougeau, Hercules Don Muraco vs. Tama Haku vs. "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan Ax vs. Hercules Smash vs. Davey Boy Smith Dynamite Kid vs. Jacques Rougeau Bad News Brown vs. Raymond Rougeau Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart vs. Greg "The Hammer" Valentine Bam Bam Bigelow vs. "The Natural" Butch Reed Edited April 14, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie 1
elizium Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Haku is Haku, but I don't see anyway that Bad News loses. 2
Curt McGirt Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 That's a lot of missing noses. (Somebody had to say it) 1
MORELOCK Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Why are half of these people in the conversation? Paul Roma? Dino Bravo? Did you guys draw these out of a hat? 1
Mister TV Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 10 hours ago, elizium said: Haku is Haku, but I don't see anyway that Bad News loses. Bad News had really bad knees so the chances of someone like Smash jacking one of them up during a take down is plausible. Also the super jacked guys like Muraco, Herc and Reed would be so gassed after 30 seconds whoever they fought could use the Homer Simpson method and push them over for the KO win. 2
Mister TV Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) Looking at the summer of 1988 here's who I think would have been in a Brawl for All, these guys seem to fit the same kind of mold as who was in the 1998 BFA. B. Brian Blair - High School Wrestling Champ. Bad News Brown - I can see Vince and Pat thinking the BFA is a way to build him up for Savage and Hogan. Bam Bam Bigelow - pretty much the same idea as Bad News, they'd put them on opposite sides of the bracket. Davey Boy Smith - Bulldogs are winding down their run and is peer pressured by Dynamite Kid to be in it. Don Muraco - going nowhere and looking for the extra $. Dynamite Kid - the JBL of this tourney. Greg Valentine - see Don Muraco. Haku - the odds on favorite with the boys in the back. Hercules - gets asked because they need more names to be in the tourney. Jim Neidhart - Bret Hart passes because he sees that it's a dumb idea but The Anvil jumps at the chance to get in Vince's good graces after the whole head butting a flight attendant incident. Ray Rougeau - can't remember if this was when he was injured but he was the fighter of the family. The the following to fill out the bracket. High Chief Afi - he was still popping up from time to time. Jos LeDuc - worked a tv taping that June with Frenchy Martin as his manager. Paul Roma - supposedly could throw hands. Pete Doherty - why not. Steve Lombardi - see Pete Doherty. Edited April 14, 2020 by happjack
tbarrie Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 7 hours ago, MORELOCK said: Why are half of these people in the conversation? Paul Roma? Dino Bravo? Did you guys draw these out of a hat? Well, didn't the actual BFA brackets look like that too? 2
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