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  1. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    The three names because Mike Brown put together a solid run on the way to winning the WEC belt. The problem was he was already long in the tooth by the time the organization was about to close. I think he saw the writing on the wall and knew he would be better served being groomed for a head trainer position. If he was 2-3 years younger by the time the merger happened, I have no doubt he would have been a top 10 featherweight for a decent while and provided a solid transition to the next group of top featherweight fighters.
  2. Sexual Assault and Harassment in Hollywood

    Now this I DID see coming... I remember hearing someone tell a story (doing a hilarious deadpan Russell impersonation with the lisp) about how he was about to go onstage for a Def Comedy Jam taping (the newer version after the original run, not the All Def one airing on HBO now), and Russell Simmons told him to change out of his shirt because he thought it was disrespectful to women or said comedian wouldn't perform that night. Priorities, Russ. Priorities.
  3. Sexual Assault and Harassment in Hollywood

    Damn, Tavis. Didn't see that one coming.
  4. Sexual Assault and Harassment in Hollywood

    Man, I was going to mention Sapp this morning but the Alabama Senate stuff threw me off. I listen to shows and podcasts of people who have hung out with him in the past, during and post the playing days. He is quite the character to say the least. I don't want to get too far into the toxic masculinity thing because I feel already covered that in at least one other thread in relation to the film Moonlight. TLDR version: I feel we as black men get too much misguided blame for a lot of that. However, in regards to Warren Sapp, I don't know if someone like that is able to work corporate jobs like this at all. I have gully street dudes in my family. They would not be able to work at the NFL Network no matter if they had a job-4-life type hookup or had the legit credentials either way. I can't speak for Faulk or the other black dudes involved, but Sapp should have stayed low and did some other things to make money because dealing with people in certain environment where you have to censor yourself ain't for him. Based on the actions of the brass at the NFL Network, that behavior is kinda indicative of what flies there so I'm not shocked he had this gig. I'm more shocked that he might still be able to get steady well paying gigs elsewhere. I mean he's just going to do something crazy and get fired whether it's sexual harassment or soliciting prostitute.
  5. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    I would argue that they still were because Arlovski was pretty much a contract issue. Same w/ Sylvia and him being disillusioned he could make high level boxing money. However, beating those guys circa 2003-2007 would certainly mean more because the UFC only had three or four decent HWs.
  6. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    No, I am not saying discount everything because this or that guy sucks. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said in hindsight he has a very good resume. However, we're talking about an historically weak division where you can go as high as the latter half of the top ten and find the fighters who weren't that good. I'm not a big soccer guy, but I know damn sure there is quite a big of a gap between the primes of Maradona and Messi plus the sport has been around for way longer. Fedor stopped being Fedor only what? Seven years ago roughly? The people who were and are competing for the same crown as best HW were competing then as well. Couture was still around. When the sport is extremely young and most of the best fighters historically are contemporaries, you have to factor in the maturation of the sport. Those things matter especially when we're reaching a point where the best heavyweight in the world in a couple months might be from Cameroon and after that trained in a place where MMA isn't even really legal yet. Imagine if Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb were competing and then 4-5 years later, Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton are coming around. That's what is happening on a much lesser scale with MMA. If you have new, pertinent knowledge of something, the best thing would be not to stand on something you know is no longer to be true.
  7. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    That's my point. The status and credibility that a lot of these early heavyweights enjoyed come from the early UFC tournaments, these vale tudo/NHB tournaments in Russia and Brazil, and the fragmented ruleset in Japan like in Pancrase and RINGS. It would be the same as saying Jeff Curran or somebody from HookNShoot was the best featherweight fighter before Jose Aldo. Well, okay... I guess. But that doesn't change the fact that any top FW now would soul snatch those dudes. What does the RINGS King of Kings tournament mean in 2017? What does the HW Pride tournament in 2004 mean now exactly? I mean once you get past the historic bits here and there and the novelty, they don't shape what the heavyweight division looks like now.
  8. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    But the thing is what is a top 10 or top 15 HW? Ben Rothwell was a perennial top ten heavyweight for like 3-4 years (longer than Brett Rogers) and he was no great shakes. I mean Mark Hunt probably had no idea what ground fighting was at the time and was arguably a top heavyweight. That's not a strong indictment of the sport let alone one for the division.
  9. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    This goes especially since everyone can find out if you're doing drugs, if you got stuff going on in your personal life, and/or who you turned down a fight against (seeing as Dana will put that shit out there) relatively quickly. If this was the 80s and Jon Jones on coke, the information would trickle out slowly or someone from the commission years later would be like, "And oh yeah, Jon Jones failed a test for cocaine back in 1987" as an aside. There was a point where only Josh Gross knew about Josh Barnett failing that first test in Nevada. Now, people are hovering around like vultures above an injured man crawling through the Sonoran Desert on any story. We know about fighters being in trouble before they do in many cases.
  10. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    Hell, I thinking about Aaron Pryor just before you posted this as he is the best example. Aaron Pryor is basically the Jon Jones of his time except Jon Jones eventually got to the position to where he could be called the GOAT. Go back and read some of those old articles about Aaron Pryor. There was this amazing Sports Illustrated article (if the vault is still around, you should be able to find it) when Pryor was the IBF super lightweight champion, and he was clearly hopped out of his mind on drugs and holding his young son (Aaron Jr. IIRC) with a gun in his other hand. This man was on the verge of self destruction. And we're just discussing the recreational drugs. You also have the stuff with Panama Lewis and the bottle from the first Arguello fight. God knows what Aaron Pryor had in his system when he was fighting. Yet, that certainly didn't hinder Pryor from getting into the IBHOF. You would think in a time where folks didn't know or didn't care who was cheating that obtaining proof later on would be a deterrent for athletes from getting those accolades. However, it isn't in the least bit. Yeah, it likely stopped him from getting a lot of big fights (SRL, Duran, Benitez, Hearns, etc.) just like Jon Jones missed out on a lot of big paydays. The thing is I would say the self destruction from the drug use caused that moreso than the headcase reputation gained resulting from that. The latter didn't stop a bunch of people from getting marquee fights in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 00s.
  11. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    The inherent problem with P4P and GOAT discussions is the biases that come with that. For example, when Hopkins was on his run as middleweight champion and about to break the title defense record, the old boxing historians still were championing Carlos Monzon as the greatest middleweight champion of all time (Sugar Ray Robinson was also getting votes IIRC). That's known crazy man Carlos Monzon who spent a good majority of his life beating up women and then murdered one of his wives. Yet, years after the fact where it's not even alleged or gossip, people still act like Monzon is the greatest middleweight boxer despite all those issues and it never comes up anytime people discuss him. Shit, when Sergio Martinez was on his run and Jim Lampley would bring up the most notable fighters from Argentina, the first name that he mentions is Carlos Monzon and the connotation is never negative. Yet, I always got the feeling is that the reason why Hopkins never got that nod or Golovkin probably isn't going to get that nod is the old fogies didn't and don't want anyone from the new generation to get that achievement. Moreover, some of those folks who are still around like a Larry Merchant were around when Monzon was in his prime (which is his entire career because he got out at the right time). With the way the UFC commentators barely bring up drug test failures and other issues in the same way Lampley never mentions Monzon's issues outside the ring, they can maintain that a Jon Jones or an Anderson Silva is the "greatest of all time" because they ultimately control the narrative. To be fair, they bring it up a little on like UFC Tonight because they have to bring it up if you have card changes and stuff like that. However, that's not a platform big enough to sway anyone's opinions. If you're a newbie and they keep bringing up "X is the best ____weight of all time" like they do now, you have to believe that because you have no context of anything else. If I am a boxing fan and I started watching in the last 5 years and someone says "oh Salvador Sanchez is the best boxer below 135 pounds ever because he had an incredible run and then died in a car accident in the middle of it", I can't really challenge that because my context is only seeing Vasyl Lomachenko and Roman Gonzalez and whatever I see randomly on Youtube. MMA is different in that a good majority of the fans who watch can get a sense of context because a lot of these dudes are STILL active, but the problem is you have personal bias and promotional and fighter allegiances that we only just got over somewhat a four or five years ago. However, I see that starting up again just because as I said, the UFC controls the narratives and they can erase you out of history (ex. Frank Shamrock) or make you seem like the greatest thing since HD TV. In a world where that persists, I see Jon Jones, GSP, and Anderson Silva and whomever comes along in the interim being touted as the greatest of all time years from now just because the UFC has a vested interest in maintaining that debate. It doesn't matter if those guys flunk 300 drug tests in a row and get arrested 50 times. That's how people will think and believe as long it continues to go like this.
  12. 2017 Non-Event General MMA Talk Thread

    Megumi Fuji! But seriously, I feel like Fedor's resume didn't age well and I've felt that way since at least 2010 or 2011. Not that I did it in the wake of the Werdum or Pezao loss, but Cain and Brock Lesnar were putting together comparative resumes at HW and had like 1/6th the experience at the time. I feel like if people can be within striking distance that quickly, you can't be the greatest of all time. If you remove the aura, then he has a very good and solid resume. However, the best of all time in 2017 going into 2018? Yeah, nope. I feel like with the sport only having a modern timeframe of only 15-17 years, the need of having a greatest of all time doesn't really make sense especially when most of the dudes having an argument (with or without the drug test failures) are still active in some way.
  13. Sexual Assault and Harassment in Hollywood

    Since you guys don't know any black voters in Alabama, you can keep the thanks and just put some money in my GoFundMe account for saving asses. I'm mean I'm not from Alabama, but I've lived in Mississippi and Arkansas so it's like the next best thing! Also, if you gave to Keaton Jones, I feel like you should at least double the donation to me.
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