NoFistsJustFlips Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Snuka, Billy Jack Haynes, & Benoit always had intense and violent personalities. Find ONE Benoit promo ever where he's smiling and moved by the anything like Bryan was last night with the Brie chants. The only smiles in Benoit promos are when he's talking about the violence he's gonna inflict. The giggling dude that did the PWG dolphin promo with Paul London is not murdering his whole family. And beyond that I don't have much more to add to the topic so I'm going to bow out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Snuka, Billy Jack Haynes, & Benoit always had intense and violent personalities. Find ONE Benoit promo ever where he's smiling and moved by the anything like Bryan was last night with the Brie chants. The only smiles in Benoit promos are when he's talking about the violence he's gonna inflict. The giggling dude that did the PWG dolphin promo with Paul London is not murdering his whole family. And beyond that I don't have much more to add to the topic so I'm going to bow out. Again, you don't know that. Personalities change via brain degeneration, whether it's through repeated trauma or dementia or what have you. What we see today may be gone years down the road. Literally nobody knows what that holds. If he wants to wrestle, good for him, I'm not going to stop him. I'm just not going to pay to see it, and I wish he'd consider his future health moreso than whatever one more match can do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Sometimes I feel people in the industry want to down play the head trauma aspect of the Benoit tragedy because (such as Bob Holly in his book when he (Bob) brags about him and JBL taking full force chair shots and stiffing each other in the ring), because if you acknowledge that it happened once that means it could happen again 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, Gramsci said: His retirement in 2016 was completely forced, he was forced to retire by WWE decision and could have continued wrestling if he had been released. In a podcast with Edge and Christian, he talked about how he and everyone misinterpreted some of his brain test results. Yes. This is a hill I'm totally willing (to watch people) die on. That was all Vince not wanting him upstaging Roman anymore than he already did. Yes, he had other bad injuries and concussion issues, but them forcing him to retire due to irreversable brain trauma was bullshit then, as it is now. Yes, it is probably better if he stops wrestling full-time asap due to other issues, as he seems to be very injury prone, but that brain thing, I think he has proven that there was no reason to panic about that. He only does shoot headbutts now when situation really calls for it (Dynamite and PPV's). He's being careful and knows where his limits are, at least once he gets injured. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodzillaPerez Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Shartnado said: He only does shoot headbutts now when situation really calls for it (Dynamite and PPV's). I'm sorry but there is no situation in professional wrestling that calls for shoot headbutts and yes I'm including PWFG and Fu-Ten. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I very much wanted to see the Jeff Jarrett match so I am glad he is healthy enough for that. It did not seem like a sure thing that we'd be getting it this year. I criticized him quite a bit for not taking the opportunity to change up his style when he came back a few years ago. You can find the evidence of that here. Maybe that was a mistake on my part but it probably had as much to do with my enjoyment of minimalism in pro wrestling as much as anything else. I do think that if we see him in 2025, we may see more "Jerry Lawler/Jose Lothario" and less spot heavy. He's indicated that he enjoys that stuff a lot in various places. I will say this, too. From everything I've heard, I have a good chunk of faith in Doc Sampson and his relatively conservative approach and GENERALLY it seems like Khan and others listen to him and respect his opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 10 hours ago, Shartnado said: Has there been any talk about how the ticket sales have been going for the show, now that some of the actual matches have been announced? I heard someone on a pod say they had sold 40,000 or so tickets so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 6 hours ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: I'm literally uncomfortable watching him wrestle period, especially when he seizure sells. It has nothing to do with the title, I just think it's ghoulish that he's being put into the situation when he's repeatedly said he doesn't want it. If he changed his mind, so be it, but the horse is out of the barn and I can't unsee all the issues he's discussed about his health. I don't consider it "the magic of pro wrestling" when he does the seizure sell. The magic of pro wrestling, to me, is making me care about someone to the point where I want to see them succeed or fail based on their merits and personality. Just like practically any other genre of fiction. When things hit a certain line where people are being reckless with their health, I feel extremely uncomfortable with watching. It's why I can't really watch deathmatches. If people want to do them, great, but I don't have to pay to watch. If you want to, go for it, but don't tell me not to worry. Like I said, we don't know enough about brain health to justify being so cavalier with the "oh he's fine!" stance. I understand this completely, Its why I don't like a lot of intergender wrestling especially deathmatch wrestling. that's not the feeling I seek in escapist entertainment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Also, boy who cried wolf syndrome. Imagine he has a real incident but everyone thinks it's a work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 4 hours ago, odessasteps said: I heard someone on a pod say they had sold 40,000 or so tickets so far. They are up to around 45,000 now. They have it setup for 51K but maybe they'll open up more seats. I read somewhere that Taylor Swift has a concert around that time and her staging is taking away some of the capacity. I don't know if that's true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Jeff Jarrett's old babysitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 8 hours ago, Shartnado said: Yes. This is a hill I'm totally willing (to watch people) die on. That was all Vince not wanting him upstaging Roman anymore than he already did. Yes, he had other bad injuries and concussion issues, but them forcing him to retire due to irreversable brain trauma was bullshit then, as it is now. I literally have no clue why people still say this, Danielson in interviews shortly after he announced his retirement was talking about how he was hiding his concussion-related seizures from his loved ones because he really wanted to keep wrestling. Not reported by others, literally said directly by himself to reporters in the immediate aftermath of his decision. Assuming he wasn't lying (and in that scenario it'd be wildly out of character for him to do so) he was in very bad shape, if you want to argue that he could have just not announced a retirement and just gone away for some years to recover a la Big E then I guess, but chalking it up to some absurd conspiracy to the degree you are basically accusing the guy himself of lying about his own health is... bad. That's not a cute conspiracy but a potentially damaging one. I don't think he's very likely to go full Benoit. I think there are live odds that his return to the ring and specifically the last few years may result in notable cognitive consequences for him down the road. I know he was legit damaged back then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I think Danielson putting his career on the line was a great move to give the match "top show main event" stakes without telegraphing the winner. I could just as easily see Bryan celebrating with the title in front of 50,000 as I could seeing him get the last 5 minutes to soak up "Thank you Bryan" chants after his last hurrah. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 5 hours ago, odessasteps said: Jeff Jarrett's old babysitter. You know if he could finagle an AEW appearance from her... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietShooter Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, zendragon said: You know if he could finagle an AEW appearance from her... Sorry, best I can do is Travis Kelce defeating Okada for the Continental Championship via a poorly executed flying shoulder tackle 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Is Kittle now firmly Camp WWE? Cause a Kittle vs. Kelce matchup would probably be more competent than Malone vs. Rodman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Is Kittle now firmly Camp WWE? Cause a Kittle vs. Kelce matchup would probably be competent more than Malone vs. Rodman. Kittle just answered a Britt Baker video challenging him to wrestle. Brandon Aiyuk threw out a “Bang bang, Niners gang!” after a win last year. So, I figure there’s some AEW being watched by Sam Fran. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 10 hours ago, username said: I literally have no clue why people still say this, Danielson in interviews shortly after he announced his retirement was talking about how he was hiding his concussion-related seizures from his loved ones because he really wanted to keep wrestling. Source? I remember him explaining how he hid concussions (as does every indy wrestler with WWE aspirations since having too many disqualifies you medically), but never seizures stemming from them. By all means I could have a faulty memory here, but do not remember seizures being part of it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 11 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said: Source? I remember him explaining how he hid concussions (as does every indy wrestler with WWE aspirations since having too many disqualifies you medically), but never seizures stemming from them. By all means I could have a faulty memory here, but do not remember seizures being part of it at all. He not only hid them, but he asked Brie to lie about him experiencing them. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wwe-star-daniel-bryan-explains-retired-suffering-concussion/story?id=36970998 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFistsJustFlips Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Thank you for posting that article... seems like it was faulty memory. Or maybe more acrately wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 55 minutes ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: He not only hid them, but he asked Brie to lie about him experiencing them. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wwe-star-daniel-bryan-explains-retired-suffering-concussion/story?id=36970998 Listen, I think that's really gross of him to do. While we differ in how excited we are to see Danielson challenge/win the title, Stefanie, I definitely can see where you're coming from. I can also see why people view Danielson's selling, etc. being in bad taste. It doesn't bother me, personally, as much as is does others, but I understand how that'd be a turn off for a lot of people. I'm just hoping that Danielson has changed since that time and realized his limitations and what he needs to be cautious about. I'm also hoping that Khan is taking Danielson's future health seriously and not forcing him into anything he shouldn't be doing. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? Sure. I guess I'm just trusting them until they make me do otherwise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryArchieGus Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) Re: AmDrag I'm still sorta floating about said wrestler discussing 'being present' in a wrestling promo seen by six hundred thousand plus people. I haven't kept up with the last number of Bryan Danielson pod appearances, but I vote 'likes to lie'. I've heard Danielson speak a number of times, and have always been incredibly impressed with his POV. Conscious living, turning off phones, etc. I trust Bryan Danielson and those around him, many of whom love him dearly, to make the correct calls on his career. 14 hours ago, Go2Sleep said: I think Danielson putting his career on the line was a great move to give the match "top show main event" stakes without telegraphing the winner. Interesting. I felt the opposite. There are numerous reasons why it seems like an obvious win for Danielson. Re: Swerve I've liked his title run. It feels like his best work to date. His limitations seem pretty clear - he's inconsistent on the mic. Sometimes he's great, and sometimes he's not. Sometimes he seems lost and cliched (most are guilty there). I hated hearing Friedman bring attention to this, kayfabe or not, slipping this criticism into one of his promos. Still, very happy with this run. Re: Jarrett I'm hoping for Jarrett v Hanger at All-In. I have no qualms with the booking around the Owen. The excitement around Jarrett feels a bit smaller, more 'hardcore' to me. The average member of the audience isn't watching Youtube, and that's where the proper version of that promo lives. So too the post tournament promo. Edited August 2 by HarryArchieGus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 All In/Out double PPV pack purchased from Triller. Had 7e worth of Google Play credits, so this cost me 33e, which is a pretty nice deal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 4 hours ago, Shartnado said: All In/Out double PPV pack purchased from Triller. Had 7e worth of Google Play credits, so this cost me 33e, which is a pretty nice deal! That's awesome, man - I'd love for YouTube or BR Live to follow suit here in the States, but I feel like we would've probably heard about it by now if it were in the cards 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Adam Bay Bay Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 hours ago, Zakk_Sabbath said: That's awesome, man - I'd love for YouTube or BR Live to follow suit here in the States, but I feel like we would've probably heard about it by now if it were in the cards Triller is here (in the US I mean): https://www.f4wonline.com/news/aew/triller-offers-first-ever-aew-ppv-bundles-for-u-s-audience/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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