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59 minutes ago, porksweats said:

100% without question if the criteria being they only started wrestling after AEW formed

Trying to think who else would count by this rule.  Julia Hart, Satnam, Ogogo, and Gravity are the only ones I can think of.

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1 hour ago, Log said:

Are the Gunns low key AEW’s best “homegrown” talents? 

Determining "home grown" for AEW is tough since they don't have a developmental and the vast majority the wrestlers they use wrestled *somewhere* at least a time or two before joining the promotion and trained elsewhere. I'd agree the Gunns count as home grown since they had very little experience before joining AEW but the list is so small I don't know how much of a feather in their cap it is. Jade of course is the most successful but I assume you mean those still in the promotion.

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24 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

Trying to think who else would count by this rule.  Julia Hart, Satnam, Ogogo, and Gravity are the only ones I can think of.

Didn’t Anna Jay come straight from wrestling school to AEW?

Hook is another I can think of.

I’d say Gunns and then Julia.

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23 minutes ago, Kevin Wilson said:

Determining "home grown" for AEW is tough since they don't have a developmental and the vast majority the wrestlers they use wrestled *somewhere* at least a time or two before joining the promotion and trained elsewhere. I'd agree the Gunns count as home grown since they had very little experience before joining AEW but the list is so small I don't know how much of a feather in their cap it is. Jade of course is the most successful but I assume you mean those still in the promotion.

And even WWE has had to totally cover Jade’s lack of ability.

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is Ricky Starks injured or something? he hasn't wrestled in 2 months, and that was a good 6 weeks since his last match. And now they've moved Big Bill on to Jericho.

His presence is missed.

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2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

Nick Wayne?

Wayne is like Billie Starks in that he'd started really young and was already a regular on the indy circuit before signing with AEW at 18. Though if he spends the next several years in AEW and gets significantly better I'd say there's some argument there.

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36 minutes ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said:

How much experience did Skye Blue have prior to AEW? She's really come along, in my opinion. 

She debuted in 2017, right out of high school (or maybe still in high school). So 4 years of indie experience before her AEW debut. That said, there is no doubt that her time in AEW has really helped her grow as a character and a wrestler. I think she’s had something like 100 matches since she debuted. She also benefited more than anyone from the brief house show circuit they ran, where she was working with Toni Storm. There was fancam of at least one of their matches and they were really clicking.

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The problem with Swerve is they waited too long to pull the trigger on him. He should’ve went straight from beating Hangman 2-0 to taking the belt from MJF. 

The crowd turned him face because they wanted to see him elevated, but nothing character or storyline wise justified the turn. Furthermore he’s perceived as a lame duck champion waiting to drop the belt to Ospreay at Wembley.

Honestly, Ospreay should be winning the belt from Swerve at DoN and All In should be Ospreay v Okada. No reason either of those dudes should have midcard belts.

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23 minutes ago, hobo joe said:

Furthermore he’s perceived as a lame duck champion waiting to drop the belt to Ospreay at Wembley.

I, myself have thought that Swerve vs Ospreay would headline Wembley, but I'm starting to think otherwise. 

I think the biggest possible match they could do at that show doesn't involve Swerve. Ospreay, probably.

I think we will see a more clear direction after tonight, but I think Hangman's return, and where he is aligned will clear some things up. If he aligns with the Bucks, I can see Swerve/Hangman being revisited at Wembley. If he aligns against the Bucks... maybe Swerve & Hangman vs Bucks? 

 

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2 hours ago, twiztor said:

is Ricky Starks injured or something? he hasn't wrestled in 2 months, and that was a good 6 weeks since his last match. And now they've moved Big Bill on to Jericho.

His presence is missed.

He has claimed (on Twitter) that he is not injured & doesn’t know what AEW isn’t using him.  
 

I’m curious to see how he does in WWE, if that’s where he ends up.  Whatever other people see in him, I do not see it.

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46 minutes ago, The Old-Fashioned Gamer said:

He has claimed (on Twitter) that he is not injured & doesn’t know what AEW isn’t using him.  
 

I’m curious to see how he does in WWE, if that’s where he ends up.  Whatever other people see in him, I do not see it.

Yeah, there's something up with him. Or maybe not. Idk. Lol.

As of right this moment he's one of the great "missed opportunities" in wrestling in the last 5 years. It's frustrating, because I think he's a top 3 promo in the company when he gives a shit about what he's doing, and I still believe that if he'd had opportunities fed to him the way Adam Cole has that he'd have surpassed what Cole has done with them, but there's something missing, and I have no idea who's to blame.

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I think Ricky fell into the same spot so many talented people in WWE did back in the day: if the guy running the show isn't a fan then it doesn't really matter what you bring to the table. Look at the ones he is close with/spoke up for him: Cody, Punk, basically all people who aren't here no longer (and in the latter case are considered persona non grata). He's gotta leave if only to get a fair shot at success, if he crashes and burns so be it but I'd much rather see him get a chance to take a swing rather than the "well someone wanted to work with you/we remembered you worked here, so go do something for a month or two" quagmire that is his run here.

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With Starks, I think they fucked up:

1) Not giving him a win over MJF after that promo. I’m not saying they should’ve put the belt on him, but he should’ve won the Dynamite Diamond Ring at least. MJF had the brass knucks from Regal and didn’t need them anymore. 

2) Turning heel again, which seems like it only happened so Punk wouldn’t have to put him over clean.

The terrible promo with Edge didn’t do him any favors either. Not to mention the Golden Jets segment that was so bad it gave Kenny Omega diverticulitis 

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Looking forward to the AEW x NJPW Forbidden Door 2024 build. Be surreal seeing Kazuchika Okada and Will Ospreay representing AEW. Most interested in who gets Bryan Danielson. At last year's we finally got Bryan Danielson vs. Kazuchika Okada, my dream match for many years.

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13 hours ago, SovietShooter said:

I, myself have thought that Swerve vs Ospreay would headline Wembley, but I'm starting to think otherwise. 

I think the biggest possible match they could do at that show doesn't involve Swerve. Ospreay, probably.

I think we will see a more clear direction after tonight, but I think Hangman's return, and where he is aligned will clear some things up. If he aligns with the Bucks, I can see Swerve/Hangman being revisited at Wembley. If he aligns against the Bucks... maybe Swerve & Hangman vs Bucks? 

 

While the match itself would be good, I personally dont want/think Hangman or Swerve should ever even be begrudgingly allies.  I think those two, with the effort they've put into the absolute hate should spend their entire careers hating one another.

 

I'll continue to beat the drum for Hangman not aligning with the Bucks though because i want Page/Omega v Bucks II.

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2 hours ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

While the match itself would be good, I personally dont want/think Hangman or Swerve should ever even be begrudgingly allies.  I think those two, with the effort they've put into the absolute hate should spend their entire careers hating one another.

I 100% agree.  They need to be eternal enemies like Rhodes & Funk. 

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12 hours ago, username said:

I think Ricky fell into the same spot so many talented people in WWE did back in the day: if the guy running the show isn't a fan then it doesn't really matter what you bring to the table. Look at the ones he is close with/spoke up for him: Cody, Punk, basically all people who aren't here no longer

This cannot be understated. If Ricky was a "Cody guy" and no one else there is going to bat for him, then he has a tough hill to climb. I think the same might be true with Sammy Guevara (although I figured he had Jericho in his corner). 

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13 hours ago, hobo joe said:

With Starks, I think they fucked up:

1) Not giving him a win over MJF after that promo. I’m not saying they should’ve put the belt on him, but he should’ve won the Dynamite Diamond Ring at least. MJF had the brass knucks from Regal and didn’t need them anymore. 

2) Turning heel again, which seems like it only happened so Punk wouldn’t have to put him over clean.

Yes, and I will also re-air my complaint that the problem started earlier when AEW broke up the Starks/Hobbs team. There was so much more the two of them could've done. Splitting the team before they even won the tag championships was a mistake. Also, I don't think there's any real reason why either guy couldn't have pursued singles success while still teaming. I understand the dynamic is a bit different, but it has worked for teams/small factions like The New Day.

Once those two got split, the matches between them were rushed and underwhelming, and the energy around the two wrestlers changed completely. Ricky had some opportunities that Hobbs didn't, and some things like Punk doing Punk things were well out of his control. But ping-ponging between heel/face/tweener also didn't do Ricky any favors, in my opinion. The fans were cheering the Hobbs/Starks act as it was. I have zero booking experience, but I'd love to ask a booker why we so often see a wrestler's mannerisms or characters change when what they're doing already is clearly working. Let it play out! 

I don't think either guy has ever really recovered from the split.

 

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Starks feels like one of those “you tell me you met an asshole in the morning” situations.  Every time he gets a push, it just peters out and nothing comes of it.  Then he’s asked about it and says something snarky.  Maybe the problem is him.

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