Elsalvajeloco Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, Sparkleface said: I don't think the mindset of "I don't enjoy it, therefore nobody else should either" should be used. That goes without saying that, as Dolfan mentioned, 15 years ago was also when Hustle was having Yinling the Erotic Terrorist give birth to the Great Muta's mist egg so yeah, the gif is a bad faith argument. You're telling me Tsukasa Fujimoto wrestling a family (an embarrassment?) of giant inflatable pandas ain't sport? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: You're telling me Tsukasa Fujimoto wrestling a family (an embarrassment?) of giant inflatable pandas ain't sport? I'm sorry that this is how you had to learn, but... EDIT TO ADD: Now I want Tsukka's comeback match to be against Andreza. BOOK IT SATO. Edited July 3, 2023 by Sparkleface 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Octopus said: I was thinking of all those things while I was having my Funk appreciation thoughts. I just love his selling so much. It’s so believable and also so him. He manages to look like a golden retriever rolling off of a couch and it’s perfectly what is needed in that moment. He IS Terry and I believe Terry. In all of his moments and all of his periods, I see Funk doing what is the right move and stance and movement and reaction that Funk needs to make. Look at how awesome his career was and his evolution to fit in and excel at the times in a way only he can. 77 Funk is amazing against Harley Race. His matches teaming against Giant Baba and a young Tsuruta is fantastic. The Lawler matches!!! Unhinged Terry murdering Flair in the late eighties. Deathmatch Funk and the elder statesman of ECW. Foley’s mentor in WWF. Funk is great. —— In other news, I have the day off and instead of being productive I am derping. Just watched El Satanico vs El Dandy from 90. It’s been a year or two. So great. One of my favorites! Fantastic ending to a bloody match. Go watch that Sandokan/Parka trios. We need a few more opinons on that. @elliottpwo liked it. http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2023/06/espectaculos-promociones-panama-best.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Im adding that to the list. hey, big shout out to @elliottpwo! Lurked on the PWO site and missed the last GWE project. Really enjoyed a long post you did on Satanico that guided him to becoming one of my favorites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I think it says quite a lot about Funk's range that he could go from comical to threatening even in the same match or segment, and it felt logical and real for his character. That probably ties into Matt's point about unpredictability more than anything, but most wrestlers don't have very much range IMO. Only the really great ones have a lot of range and can express that range in a way that feels consistent with who they are. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 In my 1994 rewatch, I am counting down the days until I get to the War Games match at Fall Brawl 94. Funk elevates that match into being the last good War Games match in the history of WCW. His selling is beyond amazing. Also, I am looking forward to Halloween Havoc 94. Terry Funk rolls to the outside, grabs a folding chair, and begins hitting himself multiple times with said chair. Sting, who is not wrestling on the show and seated next to Muhammad Ali in the front row for some reason, is geeking out like an eight year old fan. I think he knows he's watching a master at work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Santonio just wrestled Tiger Mask 4 on Friday in Arena Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Driving back to work from lunch today. I just happen to glance over at a parking lot as I'm passing by. What do I see? Madman Pondo walking to his car. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Log said: Driving back to work from lunch today. I just happen to glance over at a parking lot as I'm passing by. What do I see? Madman Pondo walking to his car. I bet that made you…Happyman Logo… 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 People are still posting that gif unironically in 2023? We were making fun of it in 2007. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Sparkleface said: I don't think the mindset of "I don't enjoy it, therefore nobody else should either" should be used. That goes without saying that, as Dolfan mentioned, 15 years ago was also when Hustle was having Yinling the Erotic Terrorist give birth to the Great Muta's mist egg so yeah, the gif is a bad faith argument. Come on, if we would take a survey here about the quality of WWF TV during the most Russo-rific era, the results would be pretty clear. And regarding the second point: for decades, if there was the need to draw big in Japan, the big companies mostly went for the (supposed) "realistic" approach, even if it not always worked out (Inoki-ism, obviously). You will definitely find a lot of silly things in Japanese pro wrestling (on all levels) long before M. Bison Takada, no-one would argue that. Again: to me the gif is a product of its time, "if in doubt try Attitude stuff" - something they should have been way past 5-10 years after the fact. Up to this day WWE is glorifying the late 90ies (how many documentaries have they created for the Network that in one way or the other cover that time period?). Yes, audience-wise, that was (at least on a national level) the most successful WWF/WWE has ever been. Yes, you can condense all those hours of TV into entertaining clips. But if you watch all this stuff back, chances are your most positive thoughts would be along the lines of "it was a product of its time", "some PPVs are fine", "that show at least had a fun 3 minute Mark Henry / Scorpio / Bossman match", "I was young back then" etc. The gif (to me) is not trying to portray Mexican or Japanese wrestling as being superior to American wrestling, it is trying to criticise the glorification of a period that does not hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, Robert S said: Come on, if we would take a survey here about the quality of WWF TV during the most Russo-rific era, the results would be pretty clear. And regarding the second point: for decades, if there was the need to draw big in Japan, the big companies mostly went for the (supposed) "realistic" approach, even if it not always worked out (Inoki-ism, obviously). You will definitely find a lot of silly things in Japanese pro wrestling (on all levels) long before M. Bison Takada, no-one would argue that. Again: to me the gif is a product of its time, "if in doubt try Attitude stuff" - something they should have been way past 5-10 years after the fact. Up to this day WWE is glorifying the late 90ies (how many documentaries have they created for the Network that in one way or the other cover that time period?). Yes, audience-wise, that was (at least on a national level) the most successful WWF/WWE has ever been. Yes, you can condense all those hours of TV into entertaining clips. But if you watch all this stuff back, chances are your most positive thoughts would be along the lines of "it was a product of its time", "some PPVs are fine", "that show at least had a fun 3 minute Mark Henry / Scorpio / Bossman match", "I was young back then" etc. The gif (to me) is not trying to portray Mexican or Japanese wrestling as being superior to American wrestling, it is trying to criticise the glorification of a period that does not hold up. Okay? Why does that have any impact on you in any way? Plenty of options available. Watch those. If someone enjoys those things, they're well within their rights to do so. People aren't going to suddenly go "oh my god you're right!" when you tell them the things they like are the suckiest suck that ever sucked a suck. Post about something you like. What match have you seen recently that you enjoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) Overelaborate match booking idea: A 7 way match for two separate titles (you could go to 6 or 8 instead) If either champion gets pinned, the person who pins them wins the title and exits the match (if it's the first champion eliminated) or wins the match (if it's the second champion) If either champion pins someone, they retain the title and exit the match Non-champions getting pinned by other non-champs exit the match An example of a layout for the match: For the WWF Intercontinental and Hardcore Titles: Billy Gunn (Hardcore Champ) vs Road Dogg (Intercontinental Champion) vs Ken Shamrock vs Goldust vs Val Venis vs Al Snow vs Hardcore Holly (basically combining two Wrestlemania 15 matches) First fall: Hardcore Holly eliminates Billy Gunn to win the Hardcore Title, exiting the match Second fall: Ken Shamrock eliminates Al Snow, match goes on Third fall: Goldust eliminates Val Venis, now the match is Gunn/Road Dogg/Shamrock/Goldust Fourth/Fifth fall: Gunn and Road Dogg eliminate Shamrock/Goldust in quick succession Final fall: Billy Gunn pins Road Dogg, entering the match with one title and exiting the match by beating his partner/friend for his title I think that Three-Way/Four-Corner/Multi-Man title matches should have some version of Lucha Captains Rules where the champ being involved in a fall ends the match. In this example, switching two titles and setting up something as a result of the outcome. You could just have the second title switch happen earlier if you didn't want (almost) everybody in the match to take a fall in order to do a turn or teasing a turn at the end. Although the basic rules are probably a little complex without having a competitor lose his title, stay in the match, and win a different title. But if a promotion (coughcoughAEW) has secondary titles that they wanna defend without doing the 7th casino battle royal of the year. Whole thing just came to mind because someone on Reddit posted about matches that were rumored or removed from Wrestlemanias, and the switcheroo with the IC and Hardcore titles at WM15 came to mind. Edited July 3, 2023 by Cobra Commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka-to Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Sparkleface said: That goes without saying that, as Dolfan mentioned, 15 years ago was also when Hustle was having Yinling the Erotic Terrorist give birth to the Great Muta's mist egg so yeah, the gif is a bad faith argument. One time at Kabuki's restaurant, I joked with him that he is yokozuna Akebono's grandfather by wrestling logic. I got a kick out of the Hustle, Hustle 30 minute TV show. I had trouble getting through full shows though. I could say the same thing about NOAH. I thought that the 30 minute show on NTV was the best wrestling going on. I had a hard time getting through the full shows from Budoukan on G+ after the real TV was cancelled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Sparkleface said: There's slash fiction for everything, probably. Kinkshamer!!! I remember searching through Livejournal in 01-02 looking for other wrestling fans and damn near every other blog I found that had wrestling listed as an interest was some kind of slash/fanfiction. I'm sure it's only gotten worse since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Octopus said: I was thinking of all those things while I was having my Funk appreciation thoughts. I just love his selling so much. It’s so believable and also so him. He manages to look like a golden retriever rolling off of a couch and it’s perfectly what is needed in that moment. He IS Terry and I believe Terry. In all of his moments and all of his periods, I see Funk doing what is the right move and stance and movement and reaction that Funk needs to make. Look at how awesome his career was and his evolution to fit in and excel at the times in a way only he can. 77 Funk is amazing against Harley Race. His matches teaming against Giant Baba and a young Tsuruta is fantastic. The Lawler matches!!! Unhinged Terry murdering Flair in the late eighties. Deathmatch Funk and the elder statesman of ECW. Foley’s mentor in WWF. Funk is great. —— In other news, I have the day off and instead of being productive I am derping. Just watched El Satanico vs El Dandy from 90. It’s been a year or two. So great. One of my favorites! Fantastic ending to a bloody match. Funk's WCW hardcore title match against Candido is one of my favorite matches. Just for the spot when Funk piledrives Candido in a horse stable, the horse kicks Funk and he yells something like, "you goddamn horse I'll kick your fucking ass" and Schiavone yells, "the horse with the highspot of the night!" Edited July 4, 2023 by cwoy2j 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) i'm sure this has been mentioned on the internet before that I'm pretty sure Terry Funk is the only wrestler to have faced Chuck Richards and his grandson Chris Candido.. unless Candido was working some 1970s WWWF guys in the early 90s edit: Johnny Rodz also worked Chuck Richards and Chris Candido Edited July 4, 2023 by Cobra Commander 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ka-to Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Chris signed a program for me that Chuck signed for me when I was 12 years old. Chris thought that fact and the program were cool. Chris was a real fan of old time wrestling. He was so nice with fans like me too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Say what you will about the Attitude Era, but they had fun midcarders and the PPV main events usually delivered. And the TV angles felt “big”. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) I'd read about Funk in the magazines for some time, but my first time actually seeing him in action was his ECW run. Despite him being over 50 and that he was hardly a physical specimen, I still had no problem believing he was every bit as tough as the rest of the roster. When Raven and his crew would beat him down, he'd sell the beating in such a way you had sympathy for him and thought he was seriously getting messed up, yet also got this sense he was going to get up and somehow take his revenge. Edited July 4, 2023 by HumanChessgame 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 I'm finishing up watching MitB and as I get to the main event with Reigns & Solo vs Usos, started thinking to myself that Bret Hart would've loved to be able to work PPV matches and nor have to worry about the show running out of time. Roman in particular takes so much time to get in the ring and before the bell even rings. I know alot of that is him taking his time trying to generate heat, not just the fact the everyone there has to have this drawn out elaborate entrance. Even after the match started Roman was Larry Zbyszco out the put there reacting to the crowd,making them wait lol. I remember Earl Hebner saying that people Shawn and Taker often ignore when he was told to tell then to wrap the match up. I could imagine Bret was the same way. I'm this network era those guys in their prime would love to have as much more time then they did. Even in AEW, their PPVs are way over 3 hours alot of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, Ziggy said: started thinking to myself that Bret Hart would've loved to be able to work PPV matches and nor have to worry about the show running out of time 80s Flair televised without time constraints would have pushed the boundaries of reason multiple times a year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Wrestlers whose Grandfathers were also wrestlers eh? Spoiler (Spoiled for size) Chick Donovan and his grandson Bryce Donovan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourPostMassacre Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 I always thought that old gif was a quote from Lance Storm or Raven or is my memory fucked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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