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4 minutes ago, RIPPA said:

The classic WON issue that just went up was from April 2004 and had this blurb

So clearly @Rev Rayand @Pete have been Meltzer sources this entire time

(For context of this joke: http://deathvalleydriver.com/otr_super82004/)

No joke, that Acid/Teddy match had the most heat of anything we EVER saw at the Arena, before or since. To the point where fans of both guys were literally going to fight each other in the parking lot afterwards.

Us being "Meltzer sources" reminds me of when Ray and I were coming back from a JAPW show in Bayonne on the light rail with Mike Johnson. I forget who called who, but I was on the phone running down the show with @Marcel and MKJ somehow got it in his head that I was actually talking to Meltzer. I will take that look he gave me to my grave. 😄

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That's a great story, @RIPPAand @Pete. Did you guys ever take the bus trips to Queens when ECW ran the Madhouse? I was just slightly too young to make it, but I bet those were a blast. I'd always end up BSing with drunk people after the show in the old AOL chat room (the Hard Core Cafe) because I couldnt wait for results or to see it on MSG

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1 hour ago, Zakk_Sabbath said:

That's a great story, @RIPPAand @Pete. Did you guys ever take the bus trips to Queens when ECW ran the Madhouse? I was just slightly too young to make it, but I bet those were a blast. I'd always end up BSing with drunk people after the show in the old AOL chat room (the Hard Core Cafe) because I couldnt wait for results or to see it on MSG

I lived in Manhattan so the Madhouse was always just a subway ride away. Amusingly, now I live in Forest Hills and could literally walk there if they were still holding shows.

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I’ve heard a few times over the years that Vince was trying to bring Mongo in but I never believed it.  Maybe I was wrong.  If nothing else, I would have liked to see Mongo get a try as a commentator.

Rena Mero or Carmen Electra as the driver seems like a waste of the angle, though they might have been more interesting than the direction Vince eventually went.

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13 minutes ago, Infinit said:

Wasn't Austin pretty vocal about not wanting to work with Jarrett at the time?

That sounds about right. Jarrett's feud with Chyna would definitely have made that a firm no.

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Just now, Loki said:

That sounds about right. Jarrett's feud with Chyna would definitely have made that a firm no.

Did he have beef with Jarrett or was it a general "he's not on my level" thing?

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5 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

Did he have beef with Jarrett or was it a general "he's not on my level" thing?

I believe the rub is that he didn't appreciate Jarrett calling Austin 3:16 "blasphemous" when Jarrett made his return from WCW and did a bunch of shooty-style interviews in the vein of Goldust and Mankind and that there was heat going back to Austin working for Jeff's dad Jerry because Austin was getting shit payoffs, but Jeff wasn't. Someone please correct me on that if I'm wrong.

But ALSO, I think @Eivion is right that it was both. Austin was protective of his status and didn't want to work with people he saw as not on his level, Jarrett being one such person. 

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3 hours ago, RIPPA said:

The classic WON issue that just went up was from April 2004 and had this blurb

So clearly @Rev Rayand @Pete have been Meltzer sources this entire time

(For context of this joke: http://deathvalleydriver.com/otr_super82004/)

Guys, truth is out there.   I am Dave metlzer.  My apartment is in the same condition as Dave's office.

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I also think Austin was also pissed at Jarrett about a payoff or something Jeff said about a payoff in Memphis

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Warning - this is Cornette's version

https://411mania.com/wrestling/jim-cornete-steve-austin-refuses-work-jeff-jarrett/#:~:text=Cornette noted that Austin refused,I do indeed recollect this.

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Speaking on his podcast, Jim Cornette addressed the story of WWE Hall of Famer Stone Cold Steve Austin refusing to work with fellow WWE Hall of Famer Jeff Jarrett after Jarrett returned to WWF in late 1997. Cornette noted that Austin refused to work with Jarrett because he didn’t see Jarrett as being at his level as a top star at the time. Below are some highlights.

Cornette on Russo planning to have Jeff Jarrett return to WWE to feud with Austin: “I do indeed recollect this. That’s back when [Vince] Russo had ingratiated himself with Jeff. And I don’t know how they ever actually became friends because Jeff is everything ****stain hates: old-fashioned wrestling; southern with an accent; blah blah blah. And at first, basically, the way I understand is that Russo had somehow convinced Jeff that he should come back, sign that big contract, and that he’d be in the title picture. Wasn’t it one of those deals where at that point, the guy comes in — like they did with Owen [Hart] one time, they did it with a number of people. When X-Pac came back, they have one big in-ring interview, where he says, ‘This is all real, and s***’s gonna change, and I’m the f***ing guy!’ And then it just peters out like a wet Fourth of July firecracker. That’s another hallmark of ***stain’s style of booking. You remember those big debuts, right? Where this is real and everything’s different.”

“So Jeff came and was convinced by ****stain, yes, he’s going to have this big main event run and blah blah blah. And Steve Austin was still mad because when he worked in Memphis in 1989, and he was making f***ing $250 a week and eating baked potatoes because he couldn’t afford anything else. And he also didn’t think, and to be quite honest, at that time he was correct — he didn’t think that people would buy it or that Jeff was at his level. Not at his level as a worker because Jeff actually — that’s the one thing nobody has ever been able to say, he had the best matches in TNA from start to finish. Every great match that TNA had had Jeff Jarrett in it because he knew what the f*** he was doing. But he had been presented as a midcard clown with the f***ing lip-syncing gimmick in 94-95. Then was before or after he had done the job for Chyna? [Before] Yes, you see this all ties together.”

Cornette on why Austin didn’t want to work with Jarrett: “Steve Austin was thinking about the underneath guy, the undercard guy, the lip-syncing guy that’s been presented there beforehand. Whatever he’d done in WCW, I didn’t pay that close attention. But he wasn’t the god damn champion because Russo’s got this wild hair, he’s going to come in and with no f***ing build he’s going to just work with the hottest guy in the f***ing business. Austin said the same thing about Marc Mero after Mero got powerbombed on pay-per-view by Sable. Nope. Not gonna happen. Because Steve Austin knew he was the hottest guy in the business and knew how to take care of that until unfortunately, he was swayed into hugging Vince McMahon on pay-per-view, and nobody ever recovered. So, it was more of Russo having these things he f***ing that thinks is gonna be great. So then, they had Jeff signed. Now, Jeff has that run, where instead of having a big run with Steve Austin like he thought he was going to have, remember he ended up being managed by Debra McMichael and whatever the f*** else they did?”

On Jarrett getting the last laugh on WWE before he left in 1999: So, and I love this, and he told me this story himself. And I loved it. Two years later, when that contract that they asked him to sign under these pretenses, and then he was presented as whatever the f*** for the following two years. They let his contract expire three days or two days before the pay-per-view, where he is supposed to drop the [Intercontinental] title. And Jeff has never had a problem dropping a belt. They wanted him to drop it to Chyna on pay-per-view. They wanted this guy who signed a two-year-deal, promised a run with Steve Austin, is now the Intercontinental champion, and they want him to get beat by a girl on pay-per-view. And this was before — this was when that was the same thing as, ‘Here. Squat down, so it’s easier for me to s*** in your mouth.’ That would’ve been the same response as we’re going to let a girl beat you on pay-per-view. So, when JR came to him with it that day, he said, ‘JR, I’ll do it for $100,000. That’s what I’ll do it for.’ And then he said he walked off. And he walked around the building, this is what Jeff said, and he said he came back up to JR. He said, ‘JR, make it two [$200,000]. I’ll do a job on pay-per-view and drop this belt to Chyna. Gimme $200,000.’ And that’s what they gave him.”

“I love that when s*** like that [happens] because what the f***?! You should’ve taken the belt off the guy before his contract was up, and then you’re going to ask a guy who was still considering his full-time occupation as being in the wrestling business, to do a job for the biggest company in the world on pay-per-view for a woman. So they pay $200,000 for that to get their belt back. And that’s why Jeff Jarrett has never worked for the WWF again well until, f***ing he never wrestled for them again, and now he’s back up there! He’s working for them again as an agent, so he can tell all the other people, ‘Don’t get beat by women unless they pay you $200,000!'”

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I remember a story about someone in Memphis staring at their check in disbelief because it was so small and being told "It ain't gonna get bigger just by staring at it." I forget if Jarrett said it to Austin or if Lawler said to Honky Tonk Man.

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45 minutes ago, Rev Ray said:

Guys, truth is out there.   I am Dave metlzer.  My apartment is in the same condition as Dave's office.

Apropos of nothing, the Charity Hall is apparently a liquor store now. Stupid time marching on.

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Austin wasn't eating baked potatoes in Memphis, he was eating raw potatoes.

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After tweeting some absolutely insane shit about the COVID vaccine (and I mean crazy even for him),  Austin Aries has deleted his Twitter account. 💔

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My non-existent nostalgia!

Anyway, I was a source for Meltzer! About 5 times or so, I dunno. I sent him some corrections a few times and it got my name in there.

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I kinda miss that giant block of text that Dave would put in every issue of all the people who sent him stuff

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12 minutes ago, RIPPA said:

I kinda miss that giant block of text that Dave would put in every issue 

....You mean the entire Wrestling Observer?

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of all the people who sent him stuff

Oh, okay.

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