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2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

Sorry, the best the WWE creative can do for you is “Der Kommissar” by After The Fire

I'll have to take what I can get on this one.

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2 hours ago, SturmCRF said:

I mean, Ring Kampf has a word from the title of the most infamous Nazi book in it, but I guess I can't throw stones at people using perfectly innocent German words and trusting that context will mean everyone knows they refute the principles of National Socialism that have sometimes been associated with those words.

But wasn't Lord of the RINGs more like an Anti-Nazi book than the other way around? Unless, you mean the other...Oh! Ok.

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Perhaps they are working a gimmick where WALTER is trying to round up all of the new silly NXT gimmicks, only to be foiled by the recently signed tag team of Naito and Hornswoggle

The Ingobernable Basterds

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Listening to Observer Radio the other day, Dave made a joke about how preposterous the idea was that Flair and Mulligan tried to run a territory.

Now look, I know Flair was bad with finances, but I can tell you Blackjack absolutely knew how to make money.

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4 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

Sorry, the best the WWE creative can do for you is “Der Kommissar” by After The Fire

If you're not careful, he'll come to the ring holding 99 Red Balloons

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18 hours ago, Cobra Commander said:

"God damn Pal, there's a lot of rape in this show"

"I'm not complaining, I'm just saying."

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11 minutes ago, JLowe said:

If you're not careful, he'll come to the ring holding 99 Red Balloons

Or at least have the Bloodhoung Gang wrote a song about him

James

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35 minutes ago, J.H. said:

Or at least have the Bloodhoung Gang wrote a song about him

James

Or Def Leppard / The Offspring

Gunter glieben glauchen globen”

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JCP did a TV taping in Brantford, Ontario, Canada on February 16th, 1987. Any idea which shows these matches aired on? Were they for Pro or Worldwide?

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3 hours ago, JLowe said:

If you're not careful, he'll come to the ring holding 99 Red Balloons

Or pulling a train!

 

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54 minutes ago, Infinit said:

JCP did a TV taping in Brantford, Ontario, Canada on February 16th, 1987. Any idea which shows these matches aired on? Were they for Pro or Worldwide?

There are a good portion of those JCP cards on various websites marked as TV tapings when they probably won't. They might have taken footage from those shows but not aired whole matches. For that one, I think it might have been in conjunction with the local promotion they were working with. 

Plus, the Pro and Worldwide stuff listed after that date is in line with the markets they regularly ran. Worldwide/Pro for 2/21 was taped in Charlotte on 2/14. World Championship Wrestling was taped 2/21 in Atlanta and aired the same day.

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7 hours ago, The Z said:

"Stark" is the German word for "Strong", so this name is along the same lines. ?

"Kampf" is just the German word for "fight". Guess what Ringkampf literally translates to? Never understood the association with Nazism from the English-speaking fans 

This is what a lot of people say in defense and I get it! I am 100% a dumb American. But like, if Alex Wright came to the ring and talked about dancekampf, he would still look like a fun-time German party boy (not talking about Berlyn here, which for all the talk of THAT being fascist-looking, really came off more like a German Industrial Goth thing).

It's the ringkampf-as-personal-philosophy, it's the hair, it's the JACKET, it's the theme music (it's not Wagner, but...), it's the military-style posing, it's all of that together sort of just SUGGESTING something. I'm not saying he should even change the gimmick -- I genuinely don't care, I think it's way less dodgy than a lot of other things even in recent memory  -- just that I think it's funny when people are like, "Oh, WWE are gonna make him a Nazi because it's such low hanging fruit," and it feels like, well, y'know, we're 3/4 of the way there already.

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4 minutes ago, The Idiot King said:

"Oh, WWE are gonna make him a Nazi because it's such low hanging fruit," and it feels like, well, y'know, we're 3/4 of the way there already.

Have to admit I have felt for a while that Imperium is a Japanese wrestler away from being an Axis Powers reference.

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New wrestling crossword up. Every time WWE renames a wrestler, it's just one more arrangement of letters that I can put into one of these things! 

 

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7 hours ago, SturmCRF said:

I think it's literally just that, for your typical non German speaker, their only association with that word is from an awareness of Mein Kampf being a thing. They don't know the meaning of the word in isolation, their brain just goes straight to 'bad Hitler book'.

Funny that this coming from someone with your user name. "Sturm" in German is related to "Stürmer" and I think "Der Stürmer" might also be well known among English-speakers with a faint knowledge of 1930ies and 40ies European history.

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30 minutes ago, Robert s said:

Funny that this coming from someone with your user name. "Sturm" in German is related to "Stürmer" and I think "Der Stürmer" might also be well known among English-speakers with a faint knowledge of 1930ies and 40ies European history.

I know, that was the joke I made in my previous post! I'd change it, but am choosing to trust that fifteen years or so of posting about once a month in a generally inoffensive manner are enough to have conveyed a general aura of ''not a Nazi'.

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18 minutes ago, SturmCRF said:

I know, that was the joke I made in my previous post! I'd change it, but am choosing to trust that fifteen years or so of posting about once a month in a generally inoffensive manner are enough to have conveyed a general aura of ''not a Nazi'.

When I see your name, I think of Sturm und Drang and Goethe and Mozart, if that makes you feel better! 

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11 hours ago, The Idiot King said:

I don’t mean this as a slight to the performer himself (who I enjoy) or an endorsement of whatever is going on with the new name aesthetically or otherwise, but hasn’t WALTER’s gimmick always been a little uhhhhh Nazi-suggestive? Nazi-flirtatious? Am I crazy?

I think he's mostly just leaning into the "stoic German (Austrian) professional" stereotype. I think a good question to ask here is what would a non-comedic German heel have to do to not draw nazi comparisons from an American audience?

Also, all this Imperium talk has reminded me of another question I've been pondering: Is "Dresden Hatchetman" Alexander Wolfe the coolest nickname ever wasted on a jobber?

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20 minutes ago, SturmCRF said:

I know, that was the joke I made in my previous post! I'd change it, but am choosing to trust that fifteen years or so of posting about once a month in a generally inoffensive manner are enough to have conveyed a general aura of ''not a Nazi'.

Okay, I wasn't completey sure that this was what you meant by "not throwing stones". My point being that someone wants to see Nazi or whatever symbolic, they will succeed in a lot of things. I guess you can read the Imperium entrance as having some Nazi-symbolism, at the same time, there is not more there than a couple of German-speakers doing a military gimmick. They avoided a lot of bad stuff they could have done (using Dvořák instead of e.g. Wagner, explicitly using the current flags on their attire, AFAIR no red (in addition to the black and white) on their gear; even the term Imperium is a term that I would more associate with pre-WW1 Europe (Sacrum Romanum Imperium - and yes, I realize that "Reich" is the German word for "Imperium")).

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2 minutes ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

I thought of Sturm & Drang by KMFDM because I'm an uncultured swine, lol

I once saw them by accident when I intended to see Kylesa and had failed to grasp that the Islington Academy had two venues in one building. Decent show, but I was very confused for a lot of it.

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I'm reminded of how Roy Thomas created a WWIi German speedster in All-Star Squadron (or Young All-Stars) named Zyklon, which is German gor Cyclone. But, because of Zyklon B, there was a stink and I think (but not sure) they changed it. 

It's interesting how some WW II words have a stigma and some don't (like Blitz/Blitzkrieg).

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Also, would people be as upset if he had a Prussian Erich von Stroheim type gimmick, which us just as stereotypical, or is "just" the WWII comparisons? 

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