Johnny Sorrow Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 That promo the week after the ECW joining WCW during the Invasion where it was Heyman revealed as the mastermind behind it all and he had "stolen" Vince's kids made the Steph owning ECW reveal work and it ruled. But they dropped that aspect and then put Heyman back on commentary as the Invasion Force announcer. And Bray is just fine. He's the bad guy who loses in the end and always comes back. No one ever said "I can't buy Dr. Doom as a threat to the Fantastic Four. He always loses in the end." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggulator Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 And Bray is just fine. He's the bad guy who loses in the end and always comes back. No one ever said "I can't buy Dr. Doom as a threat to the Fantastic Four. He always loses in the end." Pretty much every action movie or book or etc. has the protagonist beating the villain at the end. This is true even in serialized storytelling lime comic books, as you've pointed out. A lot of wrestling fans don't seem to realize this. The hero wins, so the audience does, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 In Doom's defense he usually does some pretty cool shit before he loses though and that is what they need to start doing with Bray again. I've been screaming for vignettes. Shit, even allow him to recruit a couple people into the cult. They don't have to be anyone we care about too much just enough to show that he can get shit done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Whoever said Bray should have just been the mouthpiece and only worked on special occasions when they brought the Wyatts in had it on the money. Would've helped give him a genuine 'big deal' aura 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Oh good, Briscoes vs. Young Bucks. Maybe the lighting rig will collapse, Celebrity Deathmatch style. "I hope wrestlers I don't like die" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 And Bray is just fine. He's the bad guy who loses in the end and always comes back. No one ever said "I can't buy Dr. Doom as a threat to the Fantastic Four. He always loses in the end." Pretty much every action movie or book or etc. has the protagonist beating the villain at the end. This is true even in serialized storytelling lime comic books, as you've pointed out. A lot of wrestling fans don't seem to realize this. The hero wins, so the audience does, too. It's something that worked far better in the territory days when people could be cycled in and out. It's much more of a problem for WWE since 2002 or so, between the fact that they have a lot of TV, monthly PPVs, and can't cycle well like they were once able to. A guy like Bray would never have had a run as a heel for more than a couple of years. That's never how the WWF operated. I can think of few wrestlers before 2001 who had lengthy (3+ years) as just a heel, especially near the top. Dibiase was the one guy who seemed to pull it off, and even then they were able to cycle him up and down the card. He had feuds with Hogan and Savage and could be pushed back up to the top of the card for something like Survivor Series 89 but also had feuds with El Matador and Hercules. Taker barely lasted a year and a half as a heel before they turned him. Yoko had a solid three years or so. Bray's been around for around two and a half years on the main roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 That promo the week after the ECW joining WCW during the Invasion where it was Heyman revealed as the mastermind behind it all and he had "stolen" Vince's kids made the Steph owning ECW reveal work and it ruled. But they dropped that aspect and then put Heyman back on commentary as the Invasion Force announcer. Great promo. Heyman blowing "death to Sports Entertainment" gave some real stakes to the feud. A month later he's on commentary debating with JR whether Rock or Boomer T is the "real most electrifying man in sports entertainment today" and my soul died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph2112 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 It is an interesting dynamic in the argument for/against Bray's spot. He is a WWE superstar and he will probably never be much higher or lower than he is now. If you are entertained by that spot, you think he's fine and if not, you probably never will be. And I am not throwing doubt on either side of that argument, I just find it interesting. My opinion is that if your going to have him in that spot, at least make it a little more compelling. Like make it clear what the hell he exactly wants out of life and let him at least get it once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Oh good, Briscoes vs. Young Bucks. Maybe the lighting rig will collapse, Celebrity Deathmatch style. "I hope wrestlers I don't like die" Lol. Like 5 wrestlers die a week, and now we have to make death wishes on more. The Bucks are fucking awesome, and so are the Briscoes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Is Abyss still in TNA TNA taped TV up until like September, so I'm sure he has the day off. Just slap another name on him like Abysmal and he can represent the entire TNA product against the Taker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Whatever they do with Taker, keep him away from poor Bray. There's no need for Bray to job in a third separate program to Taker. He's already never going to recover from Cena and the previous two Taker programs. I don't really think he was damaged at all. He has one of the better records in WWE. Losing to Cena and Undertaker is not going to damage anyone. (looks around to other members) Is he serious with this? Bray in his current state is literally a dead man walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Bray Wyatt "record" (per Cagematch) 2016 - 5-15-1 2015 - 28-133-2 2014 - 49-129-0 Though I agree with Vic that losses to Taker don't hurt anyone Cena though is a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 http://www.wwe.com/404 Cute. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Taker/Mayweather ROUSEY is the desperation play. FTFY Admit it. You'd watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Taker/Mayweather ROUSEY is the desperation play. FTFY Admit it. You'd watch. Only if it involves Taker doing all of the Laycool sentence finishing with Michelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Wasn't the plan HHH vs Babyface Rollins at Mania? They were planting the seeds for it, definitely. I imagine we would have gotten Lesnar/Reigns II with that, with the roles being reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyJ Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 And Bray is just fine. He's the bad guy who loses in the end and always comes back. No one ever said "I can't buy Dr. Doom as a threat to the Fantastic Four. He always loses in the end." Pretty much every action movie or book or etc. has the protagonist beating the villain at the end. This is true even in serialized storytelling lime comic books, as you've pointed out. A lot of wrestling fans don't seem to realize this. The hero wins, so the audience does, too. Right, but it would be one thing if Bray popped up every year or two, like in a comic or tv show to take his beating. The audience needs to forget what just happened before they can take him seriously again. WWE books Bray as if every year there is a three-part must see event in which he gets defeated and leaves with his tail between his legs. Since these losses are so ingrained in the fans memories, there is no one who benefits when they try to build him up again. He is still viewed as a loser and his opponents are viewed as someone who is dropping falls to a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzombie1988 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Is Jeff Lynch still selling dvd's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Bray Wyatt would work better in Lucha Underground. WWE isn't over the top weird enough and this isn't the 80s, so we have a creepy swamp cult leader who doesn't really do anything you'd think a creepy swamp cult leader would do. There's no point in him being around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorman Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Whatever they do with Taker, keep him away from poor Bray. There's no need for Bray to job in a third separate program to Taker. He's already never going to recover from Cena and the previous two Taker programs. Bray was on Rover's Morning Glory today (syndicated radio show based in Cleveland). He said he has three goals: win the WWE title, headline WrestleMania, and beat The Undertaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 For a sec, I though that was "Rovert's Morning Glory." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yeah, I read that as "Rovert" too. Bray was on Rover's Morning Glory today (syndicated radio show based in Cleveland). He said he has three goals: win the WWE title, headline WrestleMania, and beat The Undertaker. Would that be best for business? I feel like it might be, but putting the belt on Bray would probably result in me watching very little WWE programming. Granted, I'm near that point anyway and feel much the same way about Roman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 For a sec, I though that was "Rovert's Morning Glory." What an awful, awful show that would be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 An hour of smugly yelling at people about how wrong they are about everything. Good morning entertainment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Like almost anything it could have worked if they committed. If they let Bray beat the people he jobbed out to and "carry them off" and kept them off t.v. one by one until he claimed the title. Then Cena or Roman or whoever could return to try and save the WWE Universe from the clutches of an apocalyptic madman. That would have been a great story, but they don't book by committing to a storyline. They pick a guy and book around making the guy popular. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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