Stefanie Sparkleface Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said: You cannot make fun, bad movies anymore. The closest we've come is the F&F franchise, but those have lost the plot and become derivative. Not if you want to be released into theatres, anyway. Plenty of cheese goes direct to home release! (This is where I say that I really enjoyed Self Reliance, even adjusting for Hulu Original quality.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think a portion of Rock's success is perpetually sustained by the perception of his success; he gets the benefit of the doubt to try again when something falls short. He promotes/markets himself 24/7 and endlessly pivots around (production company! moar movies! ownz a football league!) to keep the appearance that it's all a raving success; and to be fair, enough of it succeeds to keep him in the press and his net worth growing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, Hamhock said: I think a portion of Rock's success is perpetually sustained by the perception of his success; he gets the benefit of the doubt to try again when something falls short. He promotes/markets himself 24/7 and endlessly pivots around (production company! moar movies! ownz a football league!) to keep the appearance that it's all a raving success; and to be fair, enough of it succeeds to keep him in the press and his net worth growing. At this point, that's all major celebs outside of maybe Taylor Swift and the Kardashians. Look at 50 Cent. After his film career stumbled when he transitioned from hip hop to acting, he had a long time where everything he touched turned to shit. Everything. The man lost a crazy amount of weight for a film that ended up being some made for tv film that went nowhere. Then, he was getting sued for everything under the sun and a bunch of paternity suits. He probably lost out on several millions going through that. It looked like it was over even though he had a liquor brand, a boxing promotion that lasted maybe nine months btw, ThisIs50.com, this thing over here, this thing over there, and had money from the Vitamin Water deal. Then, the show Power hits big on Starz and this motherfucker is now doing spinoffs of spinoffs of spinoffs. You can literally fail at 90% of what you're doing and the remaining 10% save your ass. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The key to all of this is, funny enough, really really simple. People like Rocky. He seems like a nice guy, he's sexy, he's well-spoken, he seems funny and happy. He has the public's goodwill, and that is worth more than any successful venture, and something you cannot buy. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I was reading an old DVDVR while eating my lunch (chili and wheat crackers with peanut butter, if you must know) and Schneider reminded me of the old SUWA diss about the smooth-chested, high-flying prettyboys of Dragon's Gate that he denigrated as "social dance wrestling". What would you consider "social dance wrestling" these days? New Japan has seemingly burned into every workrate guy a modicum of stiffness, or at least the necessity of being able to throw a chop and a forearm that connect properly. (Well, maybe not forearms.) Is the new social dance the work of guys like Hijo del Vikingo and Komander? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 22 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: What would you consider "social dance wrestling" these days? That's interesting. One of the reasons I stopped watching New Japan is the endless counter and counter-counter sequences that seem to make up the majority of their high spots, they always seem more like a dance than wrestling to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 35 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: The key to all of this is, funny enough, really really simple. People like Rocky. He seems like a nice guy, he's sexy, he's well-spoken, he seems funny and happy. He has the public's goodwill, and that is worth more than any successful venture, and something you cannot buy. Also gotta admit that he has had one of the lower drama divorces you'll ever see from a famous person, to the point that he's working with his ex-wife pretty regularly. So he made it through one potential minefield without damage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 45 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said: At this point, that's all major celebs outside of maybe Taylor Swift and the Kardashians. Look at 50 Cent. After his film career stumbled when he transitioned from hip hop to acting, he had a long time where everything he touched turned to shit. Everything. The man lost a crazy amount of weight for a film that ended up being some made for tv film that went nowhere. Then, he was getting sued for everything under the sun and a bunch of paternity suits. He probably lost out on several millions going through that. It looked like it was over even though he had a liquor brand, a boxing promotion that lasted maybe nine months btw, ThisIs50.com, this thing over here, this thing over there, and had money from the Vitamin Water deal. Then, the show Power hits big on Starz and this motherfucker is now doing spinoffs of spinoffs of spinoffs. You can literally fail at 90% of what you're doing and the remaining 10% save your ass. He also had that snow shoveling grift during a blizzard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I feel like The Rock practices smiling. 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Log said: I feel like The Rock practices smiling. He probably pratices The People's Eyebrow in the bathroom mirror. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: Also gotta admit that he has had one of the lower drama divorces you'll ever see from a famous person, to the point that he's working with his ex-wife pretty regularly. So he made it through one potential minefield without damage Apparently, Dany is the brains of the operation. So yeah, if he didn't want that smoke, he more than likely did the right thing. 8 hours ago, Log said: I feel like The Rock practices smiling. I feel like in light of stuff like Hulk choking out a coked up Richard Belzer, probably the best thing Rock did is make wrestlers not come off as uncultured swine. As much as I don't like respectability politics aspect of it, that's keeping the pipeline open to make income outside of wrestling. Hell, going back to Freelance for a second, the reviews I did read were like, "God, John Cena is better than this." or "Man, I wish John Cena chose better scripts." That's a marked improvement over just hating wrestlers in general and not wanting them to appear in anything. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 for the first ~5 years of his Hollywood stint, i couldn't watch the Rock in anything, because i could only see him as "THE ROCK". he was too much the wrestler. It helped that all those family movies that he did looked like trash ("the Tooth Fairy"? really?) so it was easy to dismiss. Then slowly, he'd show up in bit parts that were enjoyable (the aforementioned "Other Guys" being my favorite). 20 years on, he has made his entire personality out to be "THE ROCK". since it's not so closely associated with wrestling, i don't have that stigma anymore. Now, i just don't watch his movies because they don't appeal to me. But we really took the long way to circle back to the same result. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExcellenceofAirPollution Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I was a Rock fan 97-03 but never followed him to Hollywood and his other ventures. Not a fan of the big, dumb action movies (never seen a F&F) or kid oriented comedies. The type of "bad" movies I like aren't the type he does, and he doesn't seem interested in doing things like Blade Runner 2049 or The Man With the Iron Fists, both of which I would have seen even if Dave Bautista wasn't in them For Dwayne I think I've only seen Faster, Southland Tales (because I felt I had to) and Get Smart. I liked Faster, thought he was solid in it. I like the old Get Smart TV show and that movie had a good cast, enjoyed it for what it was. I suppose I should check out Be Cool someday but whenever I'm contemplating it on a streaming service I end up watching something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SovietShooter Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 21 hours ago, HumanChessgame said: Rock has also hosted SNL five times. I haven't seen every episode, but he was pretty funny in the material I did catch. He was in one of my all-time favorite SNL sketches... "World's Most Evil Invention" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 2/11/2024 at 3:37 PM, odessasteps said: He was good in Be Cool, right? But not the star. Are those Jumanji movies at least cool for what they are? He should've been. Elmore Leonard literally wrote the character to be Dwayne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 hours ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said: I suppose I should check out Be Cool someday but whenever I'm contemplating it on a streaming service I end up watching something else Best to just look for a compilation of his scenes, because the movie is fucking awful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zendragon Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Joe Turner's (and Capitol) Arena (youtube.com) Short documentary on the building where Vince Sr. shot his early TV (and the answer as to why James Dudley is in the Hall of Fame) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Rock really is by miles and miles the best part of Be Cool. Jumanji is fun. It's not gonna be mistaken for high art, but it's entertaining from minute 1 until the end. Everyone in those movies is swinging for the fences. It's the goodest of shit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Be Cool stinks. Terrible adaptation, and I'm not saying that films that are adapted from books need to be direct adaptations every time. They turned Rock's character from a badass dude who just happened to be gay to a camp gay character. I'm not a huge Elmore Leonard guy (at least as a novel writer), but come the hell on with that adaptation. Regarding the Rock's likability, I think he was way more likeable as a pro wrestler than as a movie star. He hit the A-list and immediately got vaguely creepy like Tom Cruise has seemingly been his whole life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I quite like Moana, and I think Rock did a good job singing as Maui. https://youtu.be/79DijItQXMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great ML Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I think the thing that is off-putting about Rock is that he wants you to know just how charitable he is. He can’t do a good deed without a camera being present. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, The Great ML said: I think the thing that is off-putting about Rock is that he wants you to know just how charitable he is. He can’t do a good deed without a camera being present. This is like a conundrum. How do you know he isn't doing good deeds off camera? Is he doing pushing sickly children out of wheelchairs in the interim. Yeah, fuck them kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Yeah, fuck them kids. I disagree. Kids are our future *”wow, that @Octopus sure is nice” *”bold, yet empathetic take by the Octo.” *”what a good and emotionally intact person that Octopus is” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, Octopus said: I disagree. Kids are our future Not if AI kills them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octopus Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Not if AI kills them all. Then they’d be AU - Artificial Unintelligence *”he says what we’re all thinking but too afraid to say” *”handsome ~and smart? Sign me up.” *” @Octopus goes deep” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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