Award Season 2022

[supremebve]

6 minutes ago, Contentious C said:

Having been in situations like that, I can undeniably say most people will pick the "stop hanging out" option, because they don't have the nerve to just ask people why things happen or the backbone to try to understand when someone has had enough of a dumb prick's bullshit.

I honestly don't understand it.  I'm not of the opinion that you should go around assaulting people, but I'm also not going to tell anyone that they have to sit there and quietly swallow disrespect.  He didn't hurt Chris Rock, he just let him know that he isn't going to tolerate the disrespect.  Not only am I'm fine with that, I respect it.  

[Raziel]

Except for like, giving license to any bone head to lay hands on any entertainer they felt "disrespected" them.

That's not going to be problematic at ALL.

[Kuetsar]

3 minutes ago, supremebve said:

I honestly don't understand it.  I'm not of the opinion that you should go around assaulting people, but I'm also not going to tell anyone that they have to sit there and quietly swallow disrespect.  He didn't hurt Chris Rock, he just let him know that he isn't going to tolerate the disrespect.  Not only am I'm fine with that, I respect it.  

If this was 1800 and the next sentence was to state pistols at dawn, maybe.

[supremebve]

6 minutes ago, Kuetsar said:

If this was 1800 and the next sentence was to state pistols at dawn, maybe.

He didn't shoot him, he hit him with an open hand slap.  It is perfectly acceptable to slap a man for disrespecting your wife in pretty much every situation for all time.  It's one of the few things that has never changed.  You guys do know that disrespecting someone else's wife is 100% optional, right?  You can go your whole entire life and not do it, but if you do, there may be a consequence.  He chose to cross that line and Will Smith chose to slap him.  That is generally how that works.

[odessasteps]

One of the best lines I saw today is “how did that not happen to Ricky Gervais by now?” 

[Kuetsar]

Because its NEVER  acceptable to hit a performer on stage?

[supremebve]

Just now, Kuetsar said:

Because its NEVER  acceptable to hit a performer on stage?

I honestly think the thing that I disagree with the most in this entire situation is this part.  I don't care where you are, if you cross the line you crossed the line.  There is nothing sacred about a stage, a microphone, a pulpit, an alter, or anywhere else.  If you do something that will get you punched in the face, you might get punched in the face.  You probably shouldn't do things that will get you punched in the face if you don't want to get punched in the face.  The behavior that will get you punched is not excusable because you are on a stage.  

[Raziel]

Well circle back to this disrespect thing when someone gets beaten on stage by someone super hardcore in FL because the comedians mere existence is disrespectful to them.

[HarryArchieGus]

Not sure if this has made the rounds here, but this (pretty on point comment concerning Jada boycotting the 2016 Oscars) perhaps suggests the animosity had long been boiling in King Dick.  

Rock's recovery post slap was terrific. 

I've despised Will Smith and his never-ending streak of sanitized oscar-bait melodrama for longer than I can remember.  This evening felt like a long coming culmination of sorts.  Or necessary reveal.  And not just of one corporately powerful actor behaving poorly.  

This was my first Oscar viewing in years.  Did so to hang with some gal pals who i knew would at least keep the conversation entertaining.  Not sure I exactly 'enjoyed' it, but this Will Smith breakdown made it all well worth the watch.  Also, kudos to the hosting trio.  I know very little of but very much dug Regina Hall's bits.  Sykes was a lil hit and miss, but Schumer (kinda forgot how funny she can be; hadn't seen her in awhile) carried her portion hilariously well.
  
Re: Best Picture
I only saw portions of CODA.  Knew it wasn't for me.  My Mother loved it tho.  My partner thought CODA was barely a good TV movie of the week.  She suggested it might be worthy of an Emmy in a daytime afterschool specials category.  That's what the trailer and scenes I watched indicated.  

Happy for the promotional push of the wonderful Murakami adaptation 'Drive My Car'.  And for the push of 'Power of the Dog'  - Campion's dig on Drip Costner's ridiculously slow dramatic intro was wonderful.  Expected (my favorite American movie of the year) Licorice Pizza's lack of a standard 'powerful message' to be greeted with zero trophies.  The technical awards sadly had no time, nor nominations, for the stunning (tho seemingly too fast for most) French Dispatch.  It says a lot about what this awards show looks to celebrate that a movie as good as Red Rocket isn't even in the discussion.  Nor the uneven but terrific Benedetta.  Oh, nice also to see Summer of Soul get the deserved push.  Have you all seen that beautiful concert film?

Edited March 28, 2022 by HarryArchieGus

[Mister TV]

5 minutes ago, supremebve said:

He didn't shoot him, he hit him with an open hand slap.  It is perfectly acceptable to slap a man for disrespecting your wife in pretty much every situation for all time.  It's one of the few things that has never changed.  You guys do know that disrespecting someone else's wife is 100% optional, right?  You can go your whole entire life and not do it, but if you do, there may be a consequence.  He chose to cross that line and Will Smith chose to slap him.  That is generally how that works.

Chris Rock didn't slap anyone, if Smith was going to give payback it should have been verbal, he could have gone just as low with Rock's personal life stuff like cheating on his wife and porn addiction, or he could have mocked Rock's film career. This is Monday morning qb stuff, but if I was in Smith's shoes I would have been on my phone looking up all the dirt I could find on Rock, along with scanning his IMDB and then just unload on him after winning the Oscar.

[supremebve]

I have literally never been more confused about people's reaction to something like this.  I was fully prepared to flood this thread with jokes about this, because I thought the entire situation was a hilarious example of how the world works sometimes.  It's not OK to slap someone, I get it, but it's also not OK to ridicule someone over a medical condition.  One thing lead to the other, and that's how life goes sometimes.  I don't think it says anything about either man's character, or has any societal implication, Chris Rock said something about Will Smith's wife and Will Smith smacked him for it.  That's kind of how situations like this work.  People get to define their boundaries.  

This is me if I ever meet Will Smith

 

[Kuetsar]

If you look at the uncensored version, Smith, after going back to his seat told to "keep his wife out of his F- mouth" a couple of times. If all he had done was that, more people would be sympathetic. . . 

[Raziel]

You can joke about it, and still think that Smith handled it poorly and there's isn't a good excuse for how he handled it, and then look big picture and see a whole lot of people chomping at the bit to test out the "we can assault people with no reprocussions" theory, and make a TON of money crying about it when it turns out there are different rules for rich Scientoligsts.

[Leonidas]

7 minutes ago, supremebve said:

I have literally never been more confused about people's reaction to something like this.  I was fully prepared to flood this thread with jokes about this, because I thought the entire situation was a hilarious example of how the world works sometimes.  It's not OK to slap someone, I get it, but it's also not OK to ridicule someone over a medical condition.  One thing lead to the other, and that's how life goes sometimes.  I don't think it says anything about either man's character, or has any societal implication, Chris Rock said something about Will Smith's wife and Will Smith smacked him for it.  That's kind of how situations like this work.  People get to define their boundaries. 

Going by your other comments, it's clear you were brought up differently than a lot of us. I think the smart thing for Will to have done is raise the issue in the after-party, either verbally or yeah slap him there in private if he still feels he deserves that. But not on global television. That was a stupid move. 

[Kevin Wilson]

Looking forward to slapping my boss tomorrow when he says something that crosses my personal boundaries and saying "Will Smith did it!" I'm sure it'll be fine.

[Kuetsar]

We can all agree to disagree on this, but can we agree if was in very questionable taste to have the choir doing the choregraphed routine to the in memorium segment? No disrespect to the singers themselves, but who the hell thought that was a good idea?

[Tabe]

11 minutes ago, supremebve said:

I have literally never been more confused about people's reaction to something like this.  I was fully prepared to flood this thread with jokes about this, because I thought the entire situation was a hilarious example of how the world works sometimes.  It's not OK to slap someone, I get it, but it's also not OK to ridicule someone over a medical condition.  One thing lead to the other, and that's how life goes sometimes.  I don't think it says anything about either man's character, or has any societal implication, Chris Rock said something about Will Smith's wife and Will Smith smacked him for it.  That's kind of how situations like this work.  People get to define their boundaries.  

I have several thoughts on this:

1) I am 99.9999999% sure that Will Smith wouldn't have done the same to a white comedian/speaker.  

2) I am 99% sure that Will's reaction was at least in part from the comments that Rock made in 2016 about Jada.  And, tied into #1, it felt probably more personal to Will coming from Rock than, say, Gervais.

3) While I would not have done the same thing, I understand Will's reaction (once he saw that Jada was upset).  Brings to mind the Chris Rock "I ain't saying he's right but I understand" bit.  I think it should've been handled afterwards, especially if the intent was to get physical.

4) I have to laugh at people mocking Will for slapping instead of punching.  Slapping a guy is waaaaaaaay more disrespectful than punching.

5) Speaking of bits from comedians, I'm also reminded of Bill Burr's bit about people being fearless because they've never been hit in the face.

6) I can tell you that in a quick survey of my circle, the vast majority of the women in it are supportive of Will's actions.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Tabe

[Raziel]

11 minutes ago, Kuetsar said:

We can all agree to disagree on this, but can we agree if was in very questionable taste to have the choir doing the choregraphed routine to the in memorium segment? No disrespect to the singers themselves, but who the hell thought that was a good idea?

I really want to pinpoint when Oscars Producers thought the In Memoriam segments were about another performance than actually seeing the memorials to the people that died.  It's been getting worse and worse for years, were we don't even see 50% of the people because we have to see the performers.

[Control]

that about sums it up for me

[Craig H]

11 hours ago, The Natural said:

 

The original copy for this was:

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The Academy does not condone violence of any form.

Tonight we are delighted to celebrate our 94th Academy Awards winners, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run making it a 4-0 ballgame.

 

[supremebve]

1 minute ago, Tabe said:

I have several thoughts on this:

1) I am 99.9999999% sure that Will Smith wouldn't have done the same to a white comedian/speaker.  

2) I am 99% sure that Will's reaction was at least in part from the comments that Rock made in 2016 about Jada.  And, tied into #1, it felt more person to Will coming from Rock than, say, Gervais.

3) While I would not have done the same thing, I understand Will's reaction (once he saw that Jada was upset).  Brings to mind the Chris Rock "I ain't saying he's right but I understand" bit.  I think it should've been handled afterwards, especially if the intent was to get physical.

4) I have to laugh at people mocking Will for slapping instead of punching.  Slapping a guy is waaaaaaaay more disrespectful than punching.

5) Speaking of bits from comedians, I'm also reminded of Bill Burr's bit about people being fearless because they've never been hit in the face.

6) I can tell you that in a quick survey of my circle, the vast majority of the women in it are supportive of Will's actions.

Thanks for this, this allows me to actually flesh out most of my points.

1. It all depends on who it was and what was said, but I generally agree with this.  With that said, there is a level of "he should have known better that feels like it's hanging around this situation."
2. Yep, this felt more like, "We've had a conversation about this, and now I have to show you I'm fucking serious."
3. Chris Rock also has the routine where he goes on and on about how no one is above an ass whooping.  This includes him.
4. Yes.  The open hand slap is second only to the pistol whipping in terms of pure disrespect.  You slap someone, you are basically telling them that they need to bow down to the bigger man.  It worked.
5. This is the main thesis of my argument.  You don't have to tolerate disrespect, but we've built a society where disrespect often goes unpunished, but that doesn't mean it can't happen.  
6. Dude, you know how many people say crazy shit to other people's significant others right to their face?  I was at a party and someone looked right into a friend's face and called her a bitch in front of her boyfriend.  I would have stood there and let him stomp that guy into the ground, if that's what he chose to do.  If and when the cops came, I'd tell them that he had it coming.  Like @Leonidassaid above, I was brought up differently, and that would have probably lead to someone getting shot.  You do not have the right to be disrespectful to people.  People can and will do you harm for being disrespectful.  There are consequences to that too, but let's not pretend like being disrespectful is A-OK.  If you don't treat people poorly, you don't have to worry about being slapped.  Once you chose to treat someone poorly, you might get slapped.  I'm fine with that.
7. One thing that I really think is being lost in this is that she looked like she was legitimately hurt by the joke.  She legitimately has a medical condition that made her lose her hair.  Chris Rock, who has a whole ass movie about the relationship with black women and their hair, should have known that it could have been a sore spot.  Look, I think comedians should go on stage and tell whatever jokes they want and push the line and all that shit...but if you cross the line, you might get slapped.  It's kind of the risk you take for toeing the line.  It's not a huge deal to me that someone would slap someone to defend the honor of their significant other.

[Craig H]

This was honestly the first I ever heard about Jada Smith having alopecia. Wouldn't it be in the realm of possibility that whoever wrote the joke also didn't know since 1) Chris Rock doesn't write his material for his own stand ups, 2) He definitely didn't write the material on the teleprompter, and 3) he's just going off of whatever is on the teleprompter? 

People are bringing up Ricky Gervais who was literally in the process of drinking and going in on people saying wild shit. This wasn't exactly that. Rock is just up there doing the Ron Burgandy thing of reading whatever is presented to him. I don't think he was intentionally going in on Jada Smith having alopecia with the GI Jane joke, but I'm also the person who would prefer to give someone the benefit of the doubt as long as it makes sense. Not to mention, in terms of shit that has been said during awards shows, that was incredibly mild and lame to reference a movie from decades ago. Considering all of the dumb shit Jada Smith and Will Smith have said and done over the years and have been put on blast for, a GI Jane joke written by some dude working spots at the Icehouse or Comedy Store is going to be the thing that makes Will Smith get up and get into a physical altercation with someone on live TV?

[J.H.]

Now I wonder if half the audience was watching on TV was like "WTF is GI Jane?"

James

[EVA]

5 minutes ago, J.H. said:

Now I wonder if half the audience was watching on TV was like "WTF is GI Jane?"

James

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. A 25 year old film that was neither commercially nor critically all that successful in its day. Timely reference!

[John from Cincinnati]

1 hour ago, HarryArchieGus said:

Re: Best Picture
I only saw portions of CODA.  Knew it wasn't for me.  My Mother loved it tho.  My partner thought CODA was barely a good TV movie of the week.  She suggested it might be worthy of an Emmy in a daytime afterschool specials category.  That's what the trailer and scenes I watched indicated.  

Yeah, this is the type of talk I think sucks. Back when it screened at Sundance it was received as the lovely and moving little crowd-pleaser that it is. Now that it's ascended to these heights, a lot of people are either going to dismiss it as meritless fluff (all the talk of a movie of the week or Hallmark movies) or lump it in with Crash or Green Book and the like. Neither is fair. It wouldn't have been my first choice for Best Picture, but the scathing takes people are going to have about the movie for the rest of time are going to do so much damage to the way people see it. Something else probably should have won, but that's basically every year, and now people are gonna be weird. 

Anyway, back to the Will Smith takes! 

Edited March 28, 2022 by John from Cincinnati