Shartnado Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 As Odessasteps said Garvin vs Andre could be pretty close. Back on wrestling classics message board it was said that Garvin actually let Andre choose a partner for a handicap match against him. I've never seen any of those matches, so I wouldn't know about that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, For Great Justice said: Was in a discussion today. What is the best monster face vs smaller faster heel match? Diesel/Shawn was pretty great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Shartnado said: I'd like to agree with Brock v Finn and Brock v Bryan, but it was big face against small heel Uhm, Finn was the face in the Brock match. Brock/Bryan both were heels going in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, For Great Justice said: Was in a discussion today. What is the best monster face vs smaller faster heel match? What was the heel/face alignment respectively in the Andre vs Hansen match in Japan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Eivion said: Uhm, Finn was the face in the Brock match. Brock/Bryan both were heels going in. Yes, this was why I said I'd like to agree, but the actual topic was a big face against a small heel. That is a very unusual situation, but I do have to say you are absolutely correct about Bryan being a defacto heel going into the match against Brock, but go ahead, try booing him in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Samurai Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 hours ago, For Great Justice said: Was in a discussion today. What is the best monster face vs smaller faster heel match? Depending on who you sided with- for some its Hogan vs Savage WM5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakk_Sabbath Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) That was my bad, I thought Brock was a babyface at that time. That's probably one of the last WWE PPVs I watched, and I just remember Bryan having recently become the planets champion, and having Erick Rowan and all that Edited August 5, 2020 by Zakk_Sabbath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For Great Justice Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Thanks for the responses - I had forgotten a few of these. I was also thinking that there has to an entry via "existential babyface threat Andre has entered the territory to walk tall over whatever top heel has been giving the territory babyface(s) grief", but I couldn't think of a really good specific example with video. Edited August 5, 2020 by For Great Justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Oh, crap! By this logic, I could also go with Warrior -Rude Summerslam'89, but I never actually thought of Rude as "fast" per se, but compared to UW, it's obviously true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Godfrey said: Diesel/Shawn was pretty great. If only to hear Nash talk shit about it: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, For Great Justice said: Thanks for the responses - I had forgotten a few of these. I was also thinking that there has to an entry via "existential babyface threat Andre has entered the territory to walk tall over whatever top heel has been giving the territory babyface(s) grief", but I couldn't think of a really good specific example with video. I thought there were clips of Andre v Garvin in Knoxville but I only did a quick search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, Shartnado said: Yes, this was why I said I'd like to agree, but the actual topic was a big face against a small heel. That is a very unusual situation, but I do have to say you are absolutely correct about Bryan being a defacto heel going into the match against Brock, but go ahead, try booing him in that situation. Ah, I misread the original post. Thought it was the other way around. I love that Brock/Bryan match. Bryan went on so hated only to have the crowd rooting for by the time it ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eivion said: Ah, I misread the original post. Thought it was the other way around. I love that Brock/Bryan match. Bryan went on so hated only to have the crowd rooting for by the time it ended. Didn't he though? That was amazing to see! As I said, I was all like "shut up, I don't want there to be a another generation on this planet" in the beginning and all like "c'mon Bryan, stomp the crap out of that Cro-Magnon!" by the end! Very hard to boo him in that situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shartnado Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Godfrey said: Diesel/Shawn was pretty great. You are absolutely not wrong, but the WMXI match you are likely referring to is usually overshadowed by the IYH7 match, where the roles were reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdangerously Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 46 minutes ago, Wyld Samurai said: Depending on who you sided with- for some its Hogan vs Savage WM5. Savage was clearly in the right in this situation. There was definitely lust for Elizabeth in Hogan's eyes. Speaking of, has there been another babyface who's given so many of his allies legitimate reasons to turn on him? You could argue that Savage, Andre, and Orndorff all were justified in turning on that leathery prick. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) I blame Hogan for all future WWE babyfaces not having friends very often, and for getting turned on so often. Coz Hogan kept screwing all his friends over, starting with getting Lust in his Eyes. (I know the mega powers asploding wasn't first but still) Edited August 5, 2020 by Morganti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Kevin Nash is a way better storyteller than wrestler and I don't hate his wrestling. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, mattdangerously said: Savage was clearly in the right in this situation. There was definitely lust for Elizabeth in Hogan's eyes. Speaking of, has there been another babyface who's given so many of his allies legitimate reasons to turn on him? You could argue that Savage, Andre, and Orndorff all were justified in turning on that leathery prick. In that regard, he's the anti-Sting, who is just so much of a good guy and so trusting (naive) that he never sees it coming. "Why, yes. I would like to join the 4 Horsemen! Thanks, pals!" 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Townsend Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: I always loved the improbable Los Conquistadors run. Like a 13 seed in the NCAA tournament. Same here. I assume the Conquistadors run had something to do with the double turn? They didn't want the Powers of Pain squashing another heel team five minutes after they turned? The tag team elimination match the year before had the Killer Bees and the Young Stallions both surviving the match. Last three teams were Bees, Stallions, heel Islanders. Teams that didn't make it to the end included Demolition, Hart Foundation, Dream Team, Strike Force. Way to give the fans what they wanted, Vince. That match also had an absurd finish, even by early Survivor Series standards. Killer Bees wrestled unmasked for about 35 min, then put on the masks and did the "ref can't tell them apart" thing like 60 second later. Actually, early SS matches had a lot of odd finishers and headscratching dq's. Watched Survivor Series 94 last night. Diesel murders Razor Ramon's team by his lonesome to give his team a 5-1 advantage, then has enough of HBK's bs and turns on Shawn. Eventually chases Shawn down the ramp while Shawn is the legal man,. So naturally, the ref.... counts the entire team out and gives the win to Razor. They had done similar countouts in years past and only the legal man who didn't get back in for the 20 count was dq'ed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jiji said: Kevin Nash is a way better storyteller than wrestler and I don't hate his wrestling. "Who went down the fuckin' zipline at the next Wrestlemania?! Was it Diesel?!" So good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Doc Townsend said: Same here. I assume the Conquistadors run had something to do with the double turn? They didn't want the Powers of Pain squashing another heel team five minutes after they turned? The tag team elimination match the year before had the Killer Bees and the Young Stallions both surviving the match. Last three teams were Bees, Stallions, heel Islanders. Teams that didn't make it to the end included Demolition, Hart Foundation, Dream Team, Strike Force. Way to give the fans what they wanted, Vince. Yeah the 1988 version was better booked for sure.. most of the top teams looked good at points and were somewhat protected in elimination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Here's 13+ minutes of Nash hitting Jackknife power bombs. There's something endearing about just how lazy and sloppy some of these are. Like Nash, himself. EDIT: HAHA the one at the 3:00 mark where it looks very much like it's going to be the end of Big Vito's life, then the terrible ref Slick Johnson starts counting three before Nash suddenly realizes it and tries to go over and pin him but Johnson is already calling for the bell and Tony Schiavone is trying to call it "Doesn't even...have to cover him." Edited August 5, 2020 by caley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Yeah, the jackknife had so many different variations depending on who was taking it and how hard Nash wanted to try. Most of them are the pick up and just let 'em drop kind, which honestly is a cool version and suits BIG DADDY COOL. The others, quite a few of the early ones, are this weird angle that has guys land on their shoulders/neck. Looks very nasty. Then there's the side pick up/shoulder one where they spin and he kinda just lets them do their thing. edit: DDP saved Awesome from one going really badly at 8:22. Double edit: Bischoff taking the powerbomb is the best. I LOVED that so much as a kid. Edited August 5, 2020 by Jiji 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, caley said: EDIT: HAHA the one at the 3:00 mark where it looks very much like it's going to be the end of Big Vito's life, then the terrible ref Slick Johnson starts counting three before Nash suddenly realizes it and tries to go over and pin him but Johnson is already calling for the bell and Tony Schiavone is trying to call it "Doesn't even...have to cover him." That's great, that looks like a WWE 2k20 gameplay video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 8:50 AM, Infinit said: Maria Kanellis with the pipe bomb! On 8/4/2020 at 1:28 PM, Andy in Kansas said: Pfft. They're just bitter because they didn't grab that brass ring pal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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