Roman Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I'll watch anything and mark out for it as long as it's enjoyable and not too preposterous. I don't particularly give a shit about the era or who's doing it if it's good in the context of what it was unless there's something specifically bad about it. The crowd loved it, so we can all just go crawl back in our holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Blassie, master of the delayed cane shot. He hits you and you don't even know it at first. He should have taught at a school for this art. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 One of them should have countered a headscissors like this in that match. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofuture Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Looks like Vader isn't a fan of the match: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 11 hours ago, Ryan said: I'll watch anything and mark out for it as long as it's enjoyable and not too preposterous. So many different definitions for this. Save us, Vader 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 A fat guy who did moonsaults complaining about the flippy junior dude style matches. Not to mention he worked in All Japan whose big matches were scripted beyond recognition from all accounts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Vader was the real, bubba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 On May 27, 2016 at 1:19 PM, AxB said: JoSonDo, as effective now as it was then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 13 hours ago, Ryan said: One of them should have countered a headscissors like this in that match. First ever Spinaroonie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Ryan said: A fat guy who did moonsaults complaining about the flippy junior dude style matches. Not to mention he worked in All Japan whose big matches were scripted beyond recognition from all accounts. I'd say there's a huge difference between a guy - fat or not - doing a Moonsault as a big move (which is also his only 'flippy' move) and a guy doing almost nonstop flippy moves without rhyme or reason. As far as scripted matches go, I don't see the problem. Some people are good at improvising and some need to plan the stories they want to tell. But, in my eyes, those flippy matches have as much a story as a high bar gymnastics exhibition (or at least a story that's relevant in a pro-wrestling context). It's impressive and exciting, certainly, but when it comes down to it, to me, pro-wrestling is still about two guys trying to beat each other in a fight, and not two guys putting on a choreographed show where the illusion of hitting each other is a necessary part of the act. (I don't say any of that with condescension towards those kinds of matches. They're just not for me, but I won't spit on anyone who enjoys them. To each their own.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 It's all tools. What matters is how they are used, what meaning they have in the match, and whether or not they hamper the suspension of disbelief. Vader could have built matches where the moonsault had no meaning and was just there for oohs and ahhs but it was generally a major point of escalation or a key transition. It's about making moves mean something. It's about creating narratives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turk128 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I don't even.... Bigger version Spoiler <br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 I believe the phrase is Big E has no chill (Also - the fact that Ron Funches and Wale were having a conversation about Ricochet/Ospreay is so weird yet not so weird to me) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Of course, he's doing it in his high pitched white guy voice too. The reasoning behind splitting up New Day will be it's punishment for these tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Sugar Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Regardless of your opinion of the Ricochet/Ospreay match, that Ospreay kid better work on his potty mouth if he'd like to end up the WWE one day... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyanide Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, Marty Sugar said: Regardless of your opinion of the Ricochet/Ospreay match, that Ospreay kid better work on his potty mouth if he'd like to end up the WWE one day... Every so often I'm reminded of a young, clean-cut, Christian soldier AJ Styles calling people "faggot" during matches all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Onward Christian sooooooldier.... William Regal has spoken, we can all shut the fuck up now. Pasted from PWI and of course his twitter. Quote Interesting to note is that WWE's William Regal, who is very instrumental in the company's scouting and tryout process, responded to the criticism with a bit of a history lesson mixed with some important advice via Twitter. Regal's complete, unedited comments are printed below: "I watched the match and was shocked.You need to start doing real stuff like people from my era like kip ups,flying head scissors,cart wheels and criss crosses.Get a grip!When I started the job in '83 a lot of the older fellas used to say that Marc Rocco and Marty Jones(who were the real pioneers of the CW style) had killed the business because they did to much.Although they may not admit it anymore,most of the heavyweights in Europe thought the brilliant lightweight and middleweight wrestlers were bad for the job because their style was "not believable enough"..Every country I worked in before I came to the US had different styles and ways of doing things.As long as there's effort then it's right.If the people paying you are happy and you get reactions then make your stuff as good as it can be with what skills you have.May not be for everyone but that's ok.In the match I saw two fellas who looked like fighters having an excellent,hard competed match in a different style.Win win!" Regal later noted he was not specifically replying to Vader, but was entering the conversation after seeing others, including MVP, Tweeting about the bout. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Sugar Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 14 hours ago, RIPPA said: I believe the phrase is Big E has no chill (Also - the fact that Ron Funches and Wale were having a conversation about Ricochet/Ospreay is so weird yet not so weird to me) FWIW, he basically said the same thing about Candice Bure's wrestling on Fuller House, too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Yeah - I posted the Fuller House thing elsewhere and he has done that before. I am pretty sure it is stuff he was told during the early FCW days Oh and Finlay tweeted in favor of Ricochet/Ospreay In fact that the only real bad thing has been wrestlers abusing the whole @s don't count in the character thing Twitter does now. So many names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebreaker Chip Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I think they still count at the moment Can somebody please post a GIF of Vader conspiring with an evil midget to blow up Sting and Bulldog at a children's beach party for balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StretchMediatedHypertrophy Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 12 hours ago, Marty Sugar said: Regardless of your opinion of the Ricochet/Ospreay match, that Ospreay kid better work on his potty mouth if he'd like to end up the WWE one day... He needs to learn from Joe Hendry in that respect. If I found anything a bit much, it was that. But it is indeed time for him to learn to work a more sensible style. And he's taking heed the smart lad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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