ingrsco Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I really hate like 97% of all finishers in WWE. Like, I think most would benefit from using a different finish. There isn't a single finisher in the entire promotion that makes me feel like it matters(OK, maybe the Pop-Up Powerbomb). I never need to see another spear, downward spiral variation, or a DDT that looks less painful than a regular old DDT. Is there a reason Ryback's Samoan drop is more devastating than all of the other Samoan drops we see all over Raw? Seriously, why is his Samoan drop better than the ones used by the Usos', Rusev's, or Roman Reign's Samoan Drops? Everything about their product is stale as three day old shit, I'm actually afraid to go into the "How Happy are You with the WWE Product," thread. I feel like I'd start typing and never stop. This argument begins and ends with John Cena and the AA which is literally a fireman's carry albeit from a standing position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The AA is weak, true, but at least it doesn't require an absurd setup, like the 619 or (even worse) ADR's finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Reddit has some RUMBLINGZ about Brock's match at Mania. The grainiest of grains, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoeCristyV.1.6 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 "If this is true then something needs to be done fast. The football game wasn't even a big one.Actual number will be released early tomorrow and it's looking to be around 2.07-2.13 final rating." So...more REIGNS and THE AUTHORITY, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The Authority isn't the reason for the downturn in ratings, and no, they won't be going anywhere. Sorry dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I'm happy that Ambrose didn't win the tournament now at least. I can imagine Vince blaming him and taking the belt off of him immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Reddit has some RUMBLINGZ about Brock's match at Mania. The grainiest of grains, right? Dude. It originated from Konnan. Call me crazy, but I doubt Brock is facing Owens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Furthermore, the top comment on Reddit says it all: "I will get a tattoo of Roman Reigns on my dick if that happens" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoarr Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Not from Konnan, just one of those rumors swirling around that they were discussing on MLW. Wishful thinking, most likely. Personally, I want Brock vs The Stinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Well, Sting can't wrestle, so that's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick B. Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I honestly don't know what they could put on the Mania card that would really pique my interest. Call it a product of the crash-TV era and all of the big name matches having been done, but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that they need to bring in the part-timers to make Mania "special" nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 They dug themselves into a deeper hole this year with AT&T Stadium. My guess is that they were really banking on: - HHH/Steph vs Rock/Rousey; OR - HHH vs Rock; - Brock vs Austin; - Brock vs Rock when it was clear Austin wasn't going to wrestle; - Rollins vs Reigns for the title; and - Cena vs Undertaker I was thinking for a bit that maybe they could also do Reigns vs Cena and Rollins vs Undertaker. I'm sure Sting vs Undertaker was in the planning at some point too. So they've lost Rousey (they never really had her most likely), Rock is probably out too, Rollins is injured and Sting is injured. WWE may want to stop dicking around and start making the guys on the current roster look like something other than useless assholes. At this point, I think the best thing that could happen to them is Rock saying he would work Wrestlemania. Then you at least have the possibility of Rock vs Brock or Rock vs HHH. I would prefer the latter. If that doesn't happen though, you're left with: - Brock vs Reigns part 2, which may not be so bad because their first match was pretty great - Cena vs Undertaker I'm shaking my head at myself for fantasy booking, but a good skeleton for the card may be: - Brock vs Reigns for the title - Cena vs Undertaker - Owens vs Zayn - Sasha Banks vs Charlotte vs Becky Lynch vs Bayley for the Divas title - New Day vs the Wyatts Obviously, YMMV. Someone could call that a piece of shit and I wouldn't be slightly offended. I'm honestly not sure what they can do at this point. It feels like they're really backed into a corner and where as that type of situation would bring out the best in creative in the past, they're just phoning it in this time around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 They dug themselves into a deeper hole this year with AT&T Stadium. The issue there is that they sort of need this to be a rebuilding Mania and they can't afford for it to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think people might be overestimating the impact individual matches have on Wrestlemania ticket sales. Look at last year's card. Brock/Roman wasn't generating that much interest, Sting/HHH wasn't any better, Rock and Rousey weren't advertised, and I doubt Bray/Taker sold a single ticket. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like the big draw for Mania is Mania. What might be a problem is if the product we get stays so shitty that people just start tuning out completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Oh, I'll bet there is a spooked building in Connecticut this morning. I haven't seen any numbers BUT... http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-reaches-out-to-fans-for-feedback-on-ratings-nosedive.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 WWE may want to stop dicking around and start making the guys on the current roster look like something other than useless assholes. That's the problem. They don't want anyone to be bigger than the company itself, so nobody can get over as a megastar and you're left relying on guys that got over before that unofficial mandate was put in place because they're the only ones that can draw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Mania is the big hook for the Network. I'd be a little less concerned with tickets and more concerned with having nothing that will inspire people to buy the network for Mania this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Except they want to break the 93,000 number everyone had been led to believe. I presume they will sell most tickets even more a lineup is known, since its a destination event for mainstream wrestling fans. And they will prob just paper the rest to get "full" and announced a worked attendance anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Except they want to break the 93,000 number everyone had been led to believe. I presume they will sell most tickets even more a lineup is known, since its a destination event for mainstream wrestling fans. And they will prob just paper the rest to get "full" and announced a worked attendance anyway. The WWE? Fudge a gigantic attendance figure? NO WAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Who wanted Brock vs. Sting? What did Sting ever do to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Conn Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I still want Sting vs Undertaker. Sue me I wanna see the match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 You'll be hearing from my attorney... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_h Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 They really should just offer Austin money he can't refuse. I mean I know he's rich already but if Vince offered 10 or 15 million for a retirement match, would he really say no? Everyone has a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caley Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Flipping through Foley's biography again and got to the part where he says that Vince met with the roster and conceded that maybe the business had passed him by and he needed to rethink things and how they immediately started dropping gimmicks like Rockabilly and The Real Double J and snooty snob Hunter Hearst Helmsley and let guys be themselves. You wonder with the ratings plummeting and the relative success of guys like New Day who are basically being themselves, how long before they have a similar change or if one comes at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 That's the problem. They don't want anyone to be bigger than the company itself, so nobody can get over as a megastar and you're left relying on guys that got over before that unofficial mandate was put in place because they're the only ones that can draw. I mentioned that in the Raw thread, but it fell on deaf ears. It's about The Brand and having a megastar would mean having to accommodate him/her in their minds. This seems pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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