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Seriously, when was the last time Mil was pinned?  I'm not the biggest lucha fan, but I know Steamboat beat him in the second fall of their match in '81.

 

Mil would drop a first or second fall here and there - not often clean but...whatever.

 

But if you mean eat a pin in the 3rd fall of a match or the only fall of a one fall match?  Shit.  You probably have to go back to the 70's.

 

 

How much money would a promoter have to toss out to Mi to have the son of a bitch even consider to do the job? $1 Million?

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I actually Googled the question and found a WrestlingClassics.com thread, with this response from Scott Bowden:

 


Ah, yes, my first-ever card at the Coliseum.

When Mil Mascaras came to Memphis for the Jan. 29, 1979, card at the Mid-South Coliseum, I was ecstatic. I had seen Mascaras all over the Apter magazine covers, so I assumed he must be one of the greatest wrestlers in the world. Plus, with his mask and colorful outfits, Mil appeared as if he had flying body-pressed his way out of a Marvel comic book, my other passion at the time.

Of course, leave it to Memphis to bring in one of the perceived biggest babyfaces in the country as a heel partner of Austin Idol to face Lawler and Jackie Fargo in a stretcher match.

A 7-year-old mark in 1979, I begged my Uncle Robert to take me to this match not only to finally see my hero Lawler in person but also to see him face off against the “legendary” (in his own masked mind, anyway) Mexican star.

Mascaras not only did the stretcher job and put over Fargo big that night, cementing the Fabulous One’s reputation in mind as the world’s toughest sonuvabitch, but he also allowed Lawler to pin him after a missed flying bodypress, "injuring" his ribs.

When I shared this memory with Jim Cornette, he cracked, “I got news for you—that wasn’t Mil Mascaras. If he wouldn’t put Cactus Jack over on Clash of Champions, there’s no way he’s riding a stretcher in Memphis. That was Pepe Lopez under a Mil Mascaras hood!”

OK, Lopez had been dead for three years, so obviously Jim was joking about that last part; however, given the fact that Jarrett occasionally billed a famous masked wrestler but delivered somebody else under the mask, maybe he had a point. For example, Mr. Wrestling (Dickie Steinborn), the Spoiler (Frank Morrell) and the Masked Superstar (Jerry Oates) all worked in Memphis in place of Tim Woods, Don Jardine and Bill Eadie. And because of Mascaras’s rep for being uncooperative and egotistical, Cornette isn’t the first person who’s questioned if I remembered the match correctly.

So…years later, I was finally able to ask Jerry Jarrett about this mysterious booking once and for all: “Was that the real Mil Mascaras under the hood when he did a stretcher job for Lawler and Fargo?” (The masked man on the night in question in 1979 even allowed Fargo to run down the aisle, turn over the stretcher and put the boots to him to further sell his rib injury, while begging for mercy.)

Jarrett confirmed that it was indeed Aaron Rodriguez under the hood as Mascaras.

Jerry explained that in the late ‘70s he had become close with Mexican promoter Salvador Lutteroth, who had helped launch the career of Lucha Libre’s first breakout superstar, El Santo, and transformed the masked star into a national pop-culture phenomenon.

When Mil arrived at the Coliseum that night, Jarrett says he sat with Aaron for a couple of hours, swapping stories about Lutteroth, who had once hosted the Memphis promoter at his house. Mil was clearly enjoying himself and in a jovial mood when he asked, “So, Jerry, what do you want me to do tonight?” Jerry told me he replied, “Well, Mil, I know what I want you to do, but….” Surprisingly, Mil agreed and appeared to have a great time playing heel in Mempho.

And that’s how Mil Mascaras did a stretcher job for Jackie Fargo in Memphis.

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Theoretically possible Mania card:

New Day and Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler, Neville and let's say Kalisto

Sasha vs Charlotte vs A Bella vs Becky vs Paige vs I don't care that much. Six way for the strap.

Bork Laser vs Kevin Owens

Batista vs Daniel Bryan

Rusev vs Taker

Kane vs Samoa Joe

Kurt Angle vs... I don't care. He'd draw on a limited basis. Nobody knows TNA exists. Wade Barrett. He needs something to do.

John Cena vs Roman Reigns

Dean Ambrose vs HHH

If booked well, this gets a bunch of people over and stands a fighting chance of selling tickets.

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Theoretically possible Mania card:

New Day and Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler, Neville and let's say Kalisto

Sasha vs Charlotte vs A Bella vs Becky vs Paige vs I don't care that much. Six way for the strap.

Bork Laser vs Kevin Owens

Batista vs Daniel Bryan

Rusev vs Taker

Kane vs Samoa Joe

Kurt Angle vs... I don't care. He'd draw on a limited basis. Nobody knows TNA exists. Wade Barrett. He needs something to do.

John Cena vs Roman Reigns

Dean Ambrose vs HHH

If booked well, this gets a bunch of people over and stands a fighting chance of selling tickets.

 

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The full content of the NXT Greatest Matches Vol. 1 set has been released:

 

DISC 1

It Started as a Whisper

Creating the Future

NXT Championship Tournament Final

Seth Rollins vs. Jinder Mahal

NXT • August 29, 2012

WrestleMania 31

No Disqualification Match for the NXT Championship

Seth Rollins vs. Big E Langston

NXT • January 9, 2013

Chris Jericho vs. Bray Wyatt

NXT • May 1, 2013

Women’s Wrestling is Back!

NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final

Paige vs. Emma

NXT • July 24, 2013

Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match

Sami Zayn vs. Antonio Cesaro

NXT • August 21, 2013

William Regal vs. Antonio Cesaro

NXT • December 25, 2013

DISC 2

NXT ArRival

Ladder Match for the NXT Championship

Bo Dallas vs. Adrian Neville

NXT ArRival • February 27, 2014

NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final

Charlotte vs. Natalya

NXT Takeover • May 29, 2014

Tyler Breeze “#MMMGorgeous” Music Video

NXT • June 5, 2014

#WeAreNXT

Sami Zayn vs. Tyson Kidd

NXT • October 16, 2014

NXT Championship Match

Adrian Neville vs. Sami Zayn

NXT Takeover: REvolution • December 11, 2014

The Four Horsewomen

Fatal Four-Way Match for the NXT Women’s Championship

Charlotte vs. Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch vs. Bayley

NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015

DISC 3

Takeover: Rival

NXT Championship Match

Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens

NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015

The Arnold Classic

Adrian Neville vs. Cesaro

Columbus, OH • March 5, 2015

San Jose

Hideo Itami vs. Tyler Breeze

[Arena Cam] San Jose, CA • March 27, 2015

Six-Person Tag Team Match

Enzo Amore, Colin Cassady & Carmella vs. Blake, Murphy & Alexa Bliss

NXT • June 17, 2015

Beast in the East

NXT Championship Match

Kevin Owens vs. Finn Bálor

Beast in the East • July 4, 2015

Takeover: Brooklyn

NXT Women’s Championship Match

Sasha Banks vs. Bayley

NXT Takeover: Brooklyn • August 22, 2015

Long Live the Dream

Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic Tournament Final

Finn Bálor & Samoa Joe vs. Baron Corbin & Rhyno

NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015

The Future is Now!

BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVES

CM Punk & Seth Rollins vs. Antonio Cesaro & Kassius Ohno

NXT • October 17, 2012

Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match

Adrian Neville vs. Corey Graves

NXT • November 13, 2013

Bray Wyatt Thanks the NXT Universe

NXT • August 14, 2014

Paige vs. Becky Lynch

[Dark Match] NXT Takeover: Fatal Four Way • September 11, 2014

NXT Women’s Championship Match

Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte

NXT • July 15, 2015

Apollo Crews vs. Tyler Breeze

NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015

 

Thanks for posting this. A great selection of matches. The only complaint I have is Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch at NXT TakeOver: Unstoppable and Bayley vs. Sasha Banks Iron Woman match at NXT TakeOver: Respect missing out. This comes out the day after my birthday, I'll by buying it.

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The full content of the NXT Greatest Matches Vol. 1 set has been released:

 

DISC 1

It Started as a Whisper

Creating the Future

NXT Championship Tournament Final

Seth Rollins vs. Jinder Mahal

NXT • August 29, 2012

WrestleMania 31

No Disqualification Match for the NXT Championship

Seth Rollins vs. Big E Langston

NXT • January 9, 2013

Chris Jericho vs. Bray Wyatt

NXT • May 1, 2013

Women’s Wrestling is Back!

NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final

Paige vs. Emma

NXT • July 24, 2013

Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match

Sami Zayn vs. Antonio Cesaro

NXT • August 21, 2013

William Regal vs. Antonio Cesaro

NXT • December 25, 2013

DISC 2

NXT ArRival

Ladder Match for the NXT Championship

Bo Dallas vs. Adrian Neville

NXT ArRival • February 27, 2014

NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final

Charlotte vs. Natalya

NXT Takeover • May 29, 2014

Tyler Breeze “#MMMGorgeous” Music Video

NXT • June 5, 2014

#WeAreNXT

Sami Zayn vs. Tyson Kidd

NXT • October 16, 2014

NXT Championship Match

Adrian Neville vs. Sami Zayn

NXT Takeover: REvolution • December 11, 2014

The Four Horsewomen

Fatal Four-Way Match for the NXT Women’s Championship

Charlotte vs. Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch vs. Bayley

NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015

DISC 3

Takeover: Rival

NXT Championship Match

Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens

NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015

The Arnold Classic

Adrian Neville vs. Cesaro

Columbus, OH • March 5, 2015

San Jose

Hideo Itami vs. Tyler Breeze

[Arena Cam] San Jose, CA • March 27, 2015

Six-Person Tag Team Match

Enzo Amore, Colin Cassady & Carmella vs. Blake, Murphy & Alexa Bliss

NXT • June 17, 2015

Beast in the East

NXT Championship Match

Kevin Owens vs. Finn Bálor

Beast in the East • July 4, 2015

Takeover: Brooklyn

NXT Women’s Championship Match

Sasha Banks vs. Bayley

NXT Takeover: Brooklyn • August 22, 2015

Long Live the Dream

Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic Tournament Final

Finn Bálor & Samoa Joe vs. Baron Corbin & Rhyno

NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015

The Future is Now!

BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVES

CM Punk & Seth Rollins vs. Antonio Cesaro & Kassius Ohno

NXT • October 17, 2012

Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match

Adrian Neville vs. Corey Graves

NXT • November 13, 2013

Bray Wyatt Thanks the NXT Universe

NXT • August 14, 2014

Paige vs. Becky Lynch

[Dark Match] NXT Takeover: Fatal Four Way • September 11, 2014

NXT Women’s Championship Match

Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte

NXT • July 15, 2015

Apollo Crews vs. Tyler Breeze

NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015

 

Thanks for posting this. A great selection of matches. The only complaint I have is Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch at NXT TakeOver: Unstoppable and Bayley vs. Sasha Banks Iron Woman match at NXT TakeOver: Respect missing out. This comes out the day after my birthday, I'll by buying it.

 

Unfortunately, I think WWE is going to let Sasha v. Becky get forgotten by the sands of time.  Of the big 3 Sasha matches this year, that one is still my favorite.  WWE has a habit of forgetting excellent matches if a more popular one comes along around the same time, especially if it better fits a narrative that they are pushing.

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Such a weird article. The doom-n-gloom headline, then a cursory review of the ratings decline, a couple of nods to what fans are giving as the reason their turning away, but then ... *twist ending* stocks are up & WWE issues a statement that nothing appears amiss.

I know this comment may open me up to snark from the usual gang of assholes, but I feel like I was missing something. Maybe if the article was structured differently?

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