cubbymark Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Seriously, when was the last time Mil was pinned? I'm not the biggest lucha fan, but I know Steamboat beat him in the second fall of their match in '81. Mil would drop a first or second fall here and there - not often clean but...whatever. But if you mean eat a pin in the 3rd fall of a match or the only fall of a one fall match? Shit. You probably have to go back to the 70's. How much money would a promoter have to toss out to Mi to have the son of a bitch even consider to do the job? $1 Million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'm not sure there is enough money to get that diva to lie down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Sweetser Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I actually Googled the question and found a WrestlingClassics.com thread, with this response from Scott Bowden: Ah, yes, my first-ever card at the Coliseum.When Mil Mascaras came to Memphis for the Jan. 29, 1979, card at the Mid-South Coliseum, I was ecstatic. I had seen Mascaras all over the Apter magazine covers, so I assumed he must be one of the greatest wrestlers in the world. Plus, with his mask and colorful outfits, Mil appeared as if he had flying body-pressed his way out of a Marvel comic book, my other passion at the time.Of course, leave it to Memphis to bring in one of the perceived biggest babyfaces in the country as a heel partner of Austin Idol to face Lawler and Jackie Fargo in a stretcher match.A 7-year-old mark in 1979, I begged my Uncle Robert to take me to this match not only to finally see my hero Lawler in person but also to see him face off against the “legendary” (in his own masked mind, anyway) Mexican star.Mascaras not only did the stretcher job and put over Fargo big that night, cementing the Fabulous One’s reputation in mind as the world’s toughest sonuvabitch, but he also allowed Lawler to pin him after a missed flying bodypress, "injuring" his ribs.When I shared this memory with Jim Cornette, he cracked, “I got news for you—that wasn’t Mil Mascaras. If he wouldn’t put Cactus Jack over on Clash of Champions, there’s no way he’s riding a stretcher in Memphis. That was Pepe Lopez under a Mil Mascaras hood!”OK, Lopez had been dead for three years, so obviously Jim was joking about that last part; however, given the fact that Jarrett occasionally billed a famous masked wrestler but delivered somebody else under the mask, maybe he had a point. For example, Mr. Wrestling (Dickie Steinborn), the Spoiler (Frank Morrell) and the Masked Superstar (Jerry Oates) all worked in Memphis in place of Tim Woods, Don Jardine and Bill Eadie. And because of Mascaras’s rep for being uncooperative and egotistical, Cornette isn’t the first person who’s questioned if I remembered the match correctly.So…years later, I was finally able to ask Jerry Jarrett about this mysterious booking once and for all: “Was that the real Mil Mascaras under the hood when he did a stretcher job for Lawler and Fargo?” (The masked man on the night in question in 1979 even allowed Fargo to run down the aisle, turn over the stretcher and put the boots to him to further sell his rib injury, while begging for mercy.)Jarrett confirmed that it was indeed Aaron Rodriguez under the hood as Mascaras.Jerry explained that in the late ‘70s he had become close with Mexican promoter Salvador Lutteroth, who had helped launch the career of Lucha Libre’s first breakout superstar, El Santo, and transformed the masked star into a national pop-culture phenomenon.When Mil arrived at the Coliseum that night, Jarrett says he sat with Aaron for a couple of hours, swapping stories about Lutteroth, who had once hosted the Memphis promoter at his house. Mil was clearly enjoying himself and in a jovial mood when he asked, “So, Jerry, what do you want me to do tonight?” Jerry told me he replied, “Well, Mil, I know what I want you to do, but….” Surprisingly, Mil agreed and appeared to have a great time playing heel in Mempho.And that’s how Mil Mascaras did a stretcher job for Jackie Fargo in Memphis. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 That's such an awesome story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Nice to know that Mil isn't always a prima donna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincey Greene Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Theoretically possible Mania card: New Day and Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler, Neville and let's say Kalisto Sasha vs Charlotte vs A Bella vs Becky vs Paige vs I don't care that much. Six way for the strap. Bork Laser vs Kevin Owens Batista vs Daniel Bryan Rusev vs Taker Kane vs Samoa Joe Kurt Angle vs... I don't care. He'd draw on a limited basis. Nobody knows TNA exists. Wade Barrett. He needs something to do. John Cena vs Roman Reigns Dean Ambrose vs HHH If booked well, this gets a bunch of people over and stands a fighting chance of selling tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Theoretically possible Mania card: New Day and Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler, Neville and let's say Kalisto Sasha vs Charlotte vs A Bella vs Becky vs Paige vs I don't care that much. Six way for the strap. Bork Laser vs Kevin Owens Batista vs Daniel Bryan Rusev vs Taker Kane vs Samoa Joe Kurt Angle vs... I don't care. He'd draw on a limited basis. Nobody knows TNA exists. Wade Barrett. He needs something to do. John Cena vs Roman Reigns Dean Ambrose vs HHH If booked well, this gets a bunch of people over and stands a fighting chance of selling tickets. Problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 In the immortal words of Slartibartfast: "That's where it all falls down, of course." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningBeard Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Damn, sometimes the world just passes you by. Only found out today when listening to Stone Cold podcast that Doug Furnas died in 2012 :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The full content of the NXT Greatest Matches Vol. 1 set has been released: DISC 1 It Started as a Whisper Creating the Future NXT Championship Tournament Final Seth Rollins vs. Jinder Mahal NXT • August 29, 2012 WrestleMania 31 No Disqualification Match for the NXT Championship Seth Rollins vs. Big E Langston NXT • January 9, 2013 Chris Jericho vs. Bray Wyatt NXT • May 1, 2013 Women’s Wrestling is Back! NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final Paige vs. Emma NXT • July 24, 2013 Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match Sami Zayn vs. Antonio Cesaro NXT • August 21, 2013 William Regal vs. Antonio Cesaro NXT • December 25, 2013 DISC 2 NXT ArRival Ladder Match for the NXT Championship Bo Dallas vs. Adrian Neville NXT ArRival • February 27, 2014 NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final Charlotte vs. Natalya NXT Takeover • May 29, 2014 Tyler Breeze “#MMMGorgeous” Music Video NXT • June 5, 2014 #WeAreNXT Sami Zayn vs. Tyson Kidd NXT • October 16, 2014 NXT Championship Match Adrian Neville vs. Sami Zayn NXT Takeover: REvolution • December 11, 2014 The Four Horsewomen Fatal Four-Way Match for the NXT Women’s Championship Charlotte vs. Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch vs. Bayley NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015 DISC 3 Takeover: Rival NXT Championship Match Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015 The Arnold Classic Adrian Neville vs. Cesaro Columbus, OH • March 5, 2015 San Jose Hideo Itami vs. Tyler Breeze [Arena Cam] San Jose, CA • March 27, 2015 Six-Person Tag Team Match Enzo Amore, Colin Cassady & Carmella vs. Blake, Murphy & Alexa Bliss NXT • June 17, 2015 Beast in the East NXT Championship Match Kevin Owens vs. Finn Bálor Beast in the East • July 4, 2015 Takeover: Brooklyn NXT Women’s Championship Match Sasha Banks vs. Bayley NXT Takeover: Brooklyn • August 22, 2015 Long Live the Dream Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic Tournament Final Finn Bálor & Samoa Joe vs. Baron Corbin & Rhyno NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015 The Future is Now! BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVES CM Punk & Seth Rollins vs. Antonio Cesaro & Kassius Ohno NXT • October 17, 2012 Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match Adrian Neville vs. Corey Graves NXT • November 13, 2013 Bray Wyatt Thanks the NXT Universe NXT • August 14, 2014 Paige vs. Becky Lynch [Dark Match] NXT Takeover: Fatal Four Way • September 11, 2014 NXT Women’s Championship Match Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte NXT • July 15, 2015 Apollo Crews vs. Tyler Breeze NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015 Thanks for posting this. A great selection of matches. The only complaint I have is Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch at NXT TakeOver: Unstoppable and Bayley vs. Sasha Banks Iron Woman match at NXT TakeOver: Respect missing out. This comes out the day after my birthday, I'll by buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The full content of the NXT Greatest Matches Vol. 1 set has been released: DISC 1 It Started as a Whisper Creating the Future NXT Championship Tournament Final Seth Rollins vs. Jinder Mahal NXT • August 29, 2012 WrestleMania 31 No Disqualification Match for the NXT Championship Seth Rollins vs. Big E Langston NXT • January 9, 2013 Chris Jericho vs. Bray Wyatt NXT • May 1, 2013 Women’s Wrestling is Back! NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final Paige vs. Emma NXT • July 24, 2013 Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match Sami Zayn vs. Antonio Cesaro NXT • August 21, 2013 William Regal vs. Antonio Cesaro NXT • December 25, 2013 DISC 2 NXT ArRival Ladder Match for the NXT Championship Bo Dallas vs. Adrian Neville NXT ArRival • February 27, 2014 NXT Women’s Championship Tournament Final Charlotte vs. Natalya NXT Takeover • May 29, 2014 Tyler Breeze “#MMMGorgeous” Music Video NXT • June 5, 2014 #WeAreNXT Sami Zayn vs. Tyson Kidd NXT • October 16, 2014 NXT Championship Match Adrian Neville vs. Sami Zayn NXT Takeover: REvolution • December 11, 2014 The Four Horsewomen Fatal Four-Way Match for the NXT Women’s Championship Charlotte vs. Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch vs. Bayley NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015 DISC 3 Takeover: Rival NXT Championship Match Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens NXT Takeover: Rival • February 11, 2015 The Arnold Classic Adrian Neville vs. Cesaro Columbus, OH • March 5, 2015 San Jose Hideo Itami vs. Tyler Breeze [Arena Cam] San Jose, CA • March 27, 2015 Six-Person Tag Team Match Enzo Amore, Colin Cassady & Carmella vs. Blake, Murphy & Alexa Bliss NXT • June 17, 2015 Beast in the East NXT Championship Match Kevin Owens vs. Finn Bálor Beast in the East • July 4, 2015 Takeover: Brooklyn NXT Women’s Championship Match Sasha Banks vs. Bayley NXT Takeover: Brooklyn • August 22, 2015 Long Live the Dream Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic Tournament Final Finn Bálor & Samoa Joe vs. Baron Corbin & Rhyno NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015 The Future is Now! BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVES CM Punk & Seth Rollins vs. Antonio Cesaro & Kassius Ohno NXT • October 17, 2012 Best 2 Out of 3 Falls Match Adrian Neville vs. Corey Graves NXT • November 13, 2013 Bray Wyatt Thanks the NXT Universe NXT • August 14, 2014 Paige vs. Becky Lynch [Dark Match] NXT Takeover: Fatal Four Way • September 11, 2014 NXT Women’s Championship Match Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte NXT • July 15, 2015 Apollo Crews vs. Tyler Breeze NXT Takeover: Respect • October 7, 2015 Thanks for posting this. A great selection of matches. The only complaint I have is Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch at NXT TakeOver: Unstoppable and Bayley vs. Sasha Banks Iron Woman match at NXT TakeOver: Respect missing out. This comes out the day after my birthday, I'll by buying it. Unfortunately, I think WWE is going to let Sasha v. Becky get forgotten by the sands of time. Of the big 3 Sasha matches this year, that one is still my favorite. WWE has a habit of forgetting excellent matches if a more popular one comes along around the same time, especially if it better fits a narrative that they are pushing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playa Shunna Ver 3.0 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 LOL. http://nypost.com/2015/12/02/is-wwe-down-for-the-count/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4HD1HgfKB4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 LOL. http://nypost.com/2015/12/02/is-wwe-down-for-the-count/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow Such a weird article. The doom-n-gloom headline, then a cursory review of the ratings decline, a couple of nods to what fans are giving as the reason their turning away, but then ... *twist ending* stocks are up & WWE issues a statement that nothing appears amiss. I know this comment may open me up to snark from the usual gang of assholes, but I feel like I was missing something. Maybe if the article was structured differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Nah, it's journalism 101, because typically the headlines are written by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 That alt-universe WM card got me thinking. If Cena won't get the chance to turn heel against Undertaker at WM, then the next biggest chance for him to turn heel would be when (ha) CM Punk returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTTW Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So what's the deal with Melina? I swore Foley was upper her butt putting her over back when she first got on WWE tv, and from there it's just been one long slow downward trajectory seemingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 hard to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brysynner Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Pretty sure Batista, amongst others, had no problem working with her 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'd be genuinely surprised if Cena vs. Taker doesn't happen at WM. Also, there's rumblings of Owens vs. Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I've heard those rumblingz too. Seems weird to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Yeah but I heard he kinda stiffed her. EDIT: That makes no sense but I'm leaving it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Pretty sure Batista, amongst others, had no problem working with her WE TALKED TO THE BLU-TIST-MAN, AND HE SAID YOU DEFINITELY GO ALL THE WAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'd be genuinely surprised if Cena vs. Taker doesn't happen at WM. Also, there's rumblings of Owens vs. Lesnar. Will the Owens-Lensar program be predicated on Owens bringing back the F-Cinq as his finisher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianChris Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Pretty sure Batista, amongst others, had no problem working with her Batista was also up her butt, trying to put her over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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