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Paige is a brat and brought in back up to help her with the Bellas. Then she got pissed when someone she viewed as an underling won the title.

But she didn't Steph did don't you remember that in ring promo where Steph paired everyone off.

Your way would have needed Becky and Charlotte to make the save during a Team Bella beat down or a 3-1 tag match

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You know, you'd think with Steph being the one that created the Diva's movement with her genius in storyline and in her head that it would be the last thing they'd put out there to die like they have been.

Like you think she'd have fired and hired three more sets of writers by now or something.

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You know, you'd think with Steph being the one that created the Diva's movement with her genius in storyline and in her head that it would be the last thing they'd put out there to die like they have been.

Like you think she'd have fired and hired three more sets of writers by now or something.

She's the world's second nicest Dixie Carter to her sycophants? 

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Maybe Show will grow his hair in, put the Andre singlet back on, and go back to being the WWECW EXTREME GIANT. That shit was awesome.

He should grow his hair back in, put the Andre singlet back on, and finally unveil the Power Plant moonsault we all heard about.

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You know, you'd think with Steph being the one that created the Diva's movement with her genius in storyline and in her head that it would be the last thing they'd put out there to die like they have been.

Like you think she'd have fired and hired three more sets of writers by now or something.

You're assuming any of the decision-makers in that company think the storyline isn't going well. Triple H probably does, but he's probably saving up his political mana for something bigger than fixing the Divas division.

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IMO, Reigns was the more natural fit for the Authority.  Good looking, multi-generational wrestler, was pushed as the muscle for the Shield, has the physical presence to stand beside Orton without looking like the baby brother of the gang.  He could have easily slid into the Batista role for them and in 18 months, made the inevitable face turn against HHH and Steph. 

 

If they really want to push a Rollins/HHH/Reigns saga, simply have HHH turn on Rollins and add in the kicker that Seth wasn't their actual first choice.  They just went with him because Reigns either turned them down or didn't pick up their call.

 

As it stands, they can still turn Reigns into a Punisher-type antihero:  one who takes on the win by any means persona and just destroys people with no remorse, but still having just enough of a conscience not to betray those who mean the most to him (it keeps him from turning on Ambrose).  But they'll need to Rollins face first to free up the heel/antihero with heelish overtones spot for Reigns.  Then Rollins can be the high-flying face he's best suited for and Ambrose can be the wild but good-hearted protaginist in their story.

 

In addition to that, the Rollins pick actually hurt the Authority more than the "Cena going against The Authority" claim did.

 

At least with Cena, it became pretty clear that it was The Authority saying "yeah, he's the best and the right face of the company- but he dares defy us and won't kiss our asses, so he's out"- which, given how the Authority are, makes perfect sense.

 

With Rollins, though- it neglects that the Authority's always been sold as a meta-gimmick as much as an actual gimmick, where it was supposed to be "more heel GMs", but you're really supposed to see it as "Triple H and Stephanie McMahon are in charge now, and now HHH will use his legitimate power to keep all the indy darlingz you love down and only push the worthless hosses and models instead...", and that meta-gimmick helped make the angle more white-hot than it ever could have been otherwise. 

 

If WWE doubles down and puts Roman Reigns as the fit for The Authority, then the storyline keeps going and you still have the meta-gimmick's thread there, helping keep it going. Put Seth Rollins in that role instead? Suddenly, The Authority are trying to make Tyler Black the next face of the WWE, They put one of the indy darlingz as the chosen one of the group, and officially destroyed that meta-thread that took "just another heel GM storyline" into a white-hot storyline all along and managed to work the hardcore fans into feeling like they were kids again. As a result, the show's back down to normal since then, only plummeting since now you don't have the white-hot crowds to counter the "same old, same old" factor of the angle.

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The thing is, they didn't pick Seth over Roman to be heel. Roman being the next Cena was something they'd been planning for almost a year. It was only a question of whether Seth or Dean would turn. Picking Seth was the led obvious choice there, but they almost locked themselves into a gold mine cuz Ambrose has been the most popular new babyface since Bryan.

Naturally they haven't done a fucking thing with him since.

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Roman would have worked with The Authority and I agree that they could have recreated the Batista story line but in their mind Roman was ready to be the new Cena.  Or I guess the new Punk as he would have been 1b to Cena's 1a.  But they were wrong.  The crowd wasn't ready for Roman.  But lets also be clear that if it wasn't for Bryan being in the Rumble, Roman probably would have been "ok".  Bryan shouldn't have returned until after the Rumble. That was a colossal fuck up. 

 

Roman's been doing well with the Wyatts rivalry.  They should just continue with this feud forever because Bray/Harper and Roman/Dean seem to bring out the best in one another.  Roman died in Chicago though.  No more stupid ass promos. He should be an ass-kicker who lets the ass-beatings do all the talking.

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Roman died in Chicago though. No more stupid ass promos. He should be an ass-kicker who lets the ass-beatings do all the talking.

Or for fuck's sake let Dean do them. It's not like he's got anything better to do, at least let him run his mouth while Roman stands there looking mean-slash-pretty.

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Wouldn't the smartest play been to run Roman as Rock 2.0 ie heel that becomes to cool and morphs into a baby face?

 

At this point, yeah.  I see the point being made that there have been great moments where he could have been turned in the past six months.  But they didn't go for it.  And honestly, he gets over well enough as a face to where becoming a truly jerk heel likely won't work--hence, the antihero who's edgy but not a total jerk.

 

I don't think it's out of the question if they can do it.  I think the foundation is there.  But whether Vince gives the OK is another matter.

 

They better come up with something for someone, though, and quick.  No Cena for two months and Rollins still being booked as an idiot who's being set up to be humbled by HHH?  New Day can't carry the entire show--find something to pull the holes, and fast.

 

As for Reigns and promos: he can cut a promo.  He's not spectacular, but he's solid with the right setup. His conversational promos are good, and his 1-2 minute solo efforts are fine.  His post-show stuff for the WWE app plays exactly to his strengths. But he's not at a place where he can cut a 15-minute promo.Truthfully, almost no one on the roster is, so it's not a knock against him.  And for Pete's sake, don't have him recap the entire Wyatt feud.  I can only imagine how many times Vince rewrote that before giving it to Reigns 20 minutes before he went live. What a crock, Heyman couldn't sell anyone on that.

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I don't get why WWE insists on their guys having to do interviews, but doesn't groom more managers. The whole point is to have a guy that covers for your guys that look great and can work, but can't talk. I can only imagine what '86 Jim Cornette or '88 Gary Hart could do for current-day Roman Reigns as a heel.

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Heck, you could book Summer Rae as Reigns' manager.  Those two together would probably go over like gangbusters.  She can generate heat and it gives her something meaningful to do.  If she can sell that love-square mess for the past several months, imagine what Summer could do with GOOD material.

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IMO, Reigns was the more natural fit for the Authority.  Good looking, multi-generational wrestler, was pushed as the muscle for the Shield, has the physical presence to stand beside Orton without looking like the baby brother of the gang.  He could have easily slid into the Batista role for them and in 18 months, made the inevitable face turn against HHH and Steph. 

 

If they really want to push a Rollins/HHH/Reigns saga, simply have HHH turn on Rollins and add in the kicker that Seth wasn't their actual first choice.  They just went with him because Reigns either turned them down or didn't pick up their call.

 

As it stands, they can still turn Reigns into a Punisher-type antihero:  one who takes on the win by any means persona and just destroys people with no remorse, but still having just enough of a conscience not to betray those who mean the most to him (it keeps him from turning on Ambrose).  But they'll need to Rollins face first to free up the heel/antihero with heelish overtones spot for Reigns.  Then Rollins can be the high-flying face he's best suited for and Ambrose can be the wild but good-hearted protaginist in their story.

 

In addition to that, the Rollins pick actually hurt the Authority more than the "Cena going against The Authority" claim did.

 

At least with Cena, it became pretty clear that it was The Authority saying "yeah, he's the best and the right face of the company- but he dares defy us and won't kiss our asses, so he's out"- which, given how the Authority are, makes perfect sense.

 

With Rollins, though- it neglects that the Authority's always been sold as a meta-gimmick as much as an actual gimmick, where it was supposed to be "more heel GMs", but you're really supposed to see it as "Triple H and Stephanie McMahon are in charge now, and now HHH will use his legitimate power to keep all the indy darlingz you love down and only push the worthless hosses and models instead...", and that meta-gimmick helped make the angle more white-hot than it ever could have been otherwise. 

 

If WWE doubles down and puts Roman Reigns as the fit for The Authority, then the storyline keeps going and you still have the meta-gimmick's thread there, helping keep it going. Put Seth Rollins in that role instead? Suddenly, The Authority are trying to make Tyler Black the next face of the WWE, They put one of the indy darlingz as the chosen one of the group, and officially destroyed that meta-thread that took "just another heel GM storyline" into a white-hot storyline all along and managed to work the hardcore fans into feeling like they were kids again. As a result, the show's back down to normal since then, only plummeting since now you don't have the white-hot crowds to counter the "same old, same old" factor of the angle.

 

 

To get the Authority back on track they should just go full troll.  Why not try to make Eva Marie the face of the Divas Revolution? Why not promise a big debut and its Mojo Rawley being serenaded as the new Cena?

 

This way Eva Marie doesn't have to be presented as a wrestler with any talent. She can flat out suck but has corporate pulling strings because they want a model on top.

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Since it seems like the Roman/Wyatt feud is going to end at HITC, why not give Roman a two month run as IC champion. Let Owens win the title back after some proper cheating at the Rumble, then have Owens get eliminated in the Rumble by a returning Sami Zayn and Roman can go on to win the Rumble again.

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Since it seems like the Roman/Wyatt feud is going to end at HITC, why not give Roman a two month run as IC champion. Let Owens win the title back after some proper cheating at the Rumble, then have Owens get eliminated in the Rumble by a returning Sami Zayn and Roman can go on to win the Rumble again.

Having Owens drop the title to Reigns would pretty much guarantee Roman never gets over as a top face, and probably kills Owens as a top heel. Unless you want a double turn, in which it's gold.

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