Niners Fan in CT Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 How have all those random Young Bucks matches been? I see he's got them all around four stars. I don't dislike the Bucks but maybe Dave is still very much a movez guy. I'm not sure I have seen a better story in wrestling this year beginning to end than Bayley/Sasha. To me it's a five star match.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 When someone names a move after you and calls you their Uncle how objective can you be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Meltzer's star rating system used to be a good point of reference for checking out matches back when I was a teenager, nowadays, not so much. Sasha/Bayley is 5 fucking stars. A 1/2* difference! Oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 That half star is something though it's between a match like Reigns/Bryan which was really good, maybe great.. and a classic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Meltzer's star rating system used to be a good point of reference for checking out matches back when I was a teenager, nowadays, not so much. Sasha/Bayley is 5 fucking stars. A 1/2* difference! Oh my! That same 1/2* I would deduct from most of the New Japan matches he rates. The Bucks have been really good in New Japan. I would definitely recommend their IWGP Jr Tag Title match with Roppongi Vice. I felt they lapsed a bit too much into move spamming in the match with ReDragon from the G1 final show, but it was still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 How have all those random Young Bucks matches been? I see he's got them all around four stars. I don't dislike the Bucks but maybe Dave is still very much a movez guy. I'm not sure I have seen a better story in wrestling this year beginning to end than Bayley/Sasha. To me it's a five star match.. I skip Young Bucks matches now because I really can't stand them, and every match I've seen of theirs in NJPW has been exactly the same. So yeah, I'd say he's overrating them. I've never seen one standout match of theirs on a NJPW show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Meltzer's star rating system used to be a good point of reference for checking out matches back when I was a teenager, nowadays, not so much. Sasha/Bayley is 5 fucking stars.Is it a bias against women, or a bias against Divas? He had no problem giving the full Five Snowflakes to a buncha Manami Toyota matches back in the 90s. Maybe it's easier to more highly rate an "exotic foreigner" than some tanning-bed aficionado from California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegian Rudo Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Meltzer's star rating system used to be a good point of reference for checking out matches back when I was a teenager, nowadays, not so much. Sasha/Bayley is 5 fucking stars.Is it a bias against women, or a bias against Divas? He had no problem giving the full Five Snowflakes to a buncha Manami Toyota matches back in the 90s. Maybe it's easier to more highly rate an "exotic foreigner" than some tanning-bed aficionado from California. Dave's a big fan of women's wrestling, and even women's MMA. I thought his rating for Bailey - Sasha was pretty spot on. 4 stars for Sasha - Becky was low though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Even if you want to knock off a half star for Sasha/Bayley which I could see.. you can't be giving random finisher spam matches from the guys the same rating. Well, you can but you'd be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Dave's rating are no less subjective than anyone else's, of course he's gonna have favorites and biases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldcupfever Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Meltzer's star rating system used to be a good point of reference for checking out matches back when I was a teenager, nowadays, not so much. Sasha/Bayley is 5 fucking stars.Is it a bias against women, or a bias against Divas? He had no problem giving the full Five Snowflakes to a buncha Manami Toyota matches back in the 90s. Maybe it's easier to more highly rate an "exotic foreigner" than some tanning-bed aficionado from California. Bayley and Sasha are all about the tans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Bayley and Sasha are all about the tans?Every single Diva except maybe Paige looks like they've done some time in the booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Dave Meltzer rated Bayley vs. Sasha Banks ****1/2. That's got be the highest rating Dave's given a women's match in the WWE. What did he give the Charlotte/Nattie match where he was basically screaming that Nattie was Jumbo Tsuruta with boobs? Oh man, thanks for *that* mental picture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Bayley and Sasha are all about the tans?Every single Diva except maybe Paige looks like they've done some time in the booth. ... I got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Sasha Banks might be the lightest skinned tan person ever if you include the fact she's Snood Dogs cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Snood Dogs most famous song "Jin and Juke" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 ****1/2 would be great if it weren't relative to ****3/4 or ***** as the actual classics. It's that weird thing. Meltzer's biases have always been on his sleeve. Lots of spotz and matwork-in-lieu-of-storytelling. It is what it is. I like star ratings as shorthand but usually they're best paired with analysis. The IWC has gotten bad about just throwing them out like that's the end word. I mean, I typically rate stuff significantly above or below most so I get that mileage varies. Explaining ratings and thus the thought behind them is what matters. The real problem is Meltz being viewed as 'the word' on these things in 2015. Are we gonna go see what Scott Keith thinks next like it's 2005 again? EDIT: Checked it for laughs. He gave it ****1/2 too. Interestingly he also gave Corbin/Joe the highest rating I've seen at ***1/2. Of course, he rated Balor/Owens ****1/2 as well which...no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I thought he gave Balor/Owens 4.25 but even then that's probably a hair too much. It's real good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Usually I have no problem with the difference between five stars and four and a half stars since it seems like such a slight number...but I really gotta wonder how Cena/Rollins and Sasha/Bayley can have the same exact rating. That's when I gotta fight for that extra quarter to half star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Sugar Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I was enjoying this thread until the argument about stars popped up. Who gives a shit how some bitter old man grades matches? Did YOU enjoy the match? Awesome. End of story. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Am I the only one here who likes Scott Keith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwoy2j Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Yes. Haha, that's what I figured. I don't have a problem with him. Reading his stuff is a way to pass the time at work for me. He's not bad as long as you don't take him too seriously. Pretty much just like every other critic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I used to read Keith quite a bit, but the day he described Dinosaurs as a seminal show from the 90's, I pretty much finished checking out on his stuff. Which had already started well before that, but that was the point where I could no longer take anything he said seriously. I will forever laugh at his "El Gato is Spanish for Pat Tanaka" joke though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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