The Old School Questions thread

[GuerrillaMonsoon]

This is a pretty good indication of what happened to WWA...

https://amp.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/presenting-mr-mcmanus-20111222-1p728.html

[twiztor]

1 hour ago, RolandTHTG said:

This is a pretty good indication of what happened to WWA...

https://amp.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/presenting-mr-mcmanus-20111222-1p728.html

an utterly ridiculous read. ridiculous not because it's ill-informed or not well written, but because it's criminal that this guy could get away with the same scam for DECADES.

also, i did not realize that McManus also promoted the Impact MMA event from 2009. 

[sydneybrown]

2 hours ago, Southside Jim said:

Does anyone know the result of this match?  I haven't been able to find anything.

 

 

Wikipedia says the Heatseekers have had the "Smokey Mountain" belts since 2014 so I guess they won.  BTW, I don't know why Cornette acted like it was impossible for the Heavenly Bodies to wrestle.  Yes, Del Ray has passed but Tom Prichard and Stan Lane were the original team and both were (and are) very much alive.

[The Idiot King]

What would people say are the BEST Konnan matches? Because I understand his popularity in the abstract, but I'd love to be pointed to either a really great match of his or at least a match that shows how over he was at his peak. I more or less only know him from nWo-era WCW onward and I don't remember being exactly blown away by anything of his that didn't involve Disco Inferno dancing in front of it.

[OSJ]

8 hours ago, The Idiot King said:

What would people say are the BEST Konnan matches? Because I understand his popularity in the abstract, but I'd love to be pointed to either a really great match of his or at least a match that shows how over he was at his peak. I more or less only know him from nWo-era WCW onward and I don't remember being exactly blown away by anything of his that didn't involve Disco Inferno dancing in front of it.

My friend you are asking for a chimera, an interesting thing that doesn't really exist. Konnan was never more than passable in the ring, but by God does that man know how to work a crowd. His "best" matches are probably from Mexico and before he lost the mask.  Don't expect much more than punch punch, kick kick, suplex rinse repeat; but his timing and the way he gets the crowd invested are things of beauty. In many respects Konnan is the Dusty Rhodes of his era and place, a very limited worker who knew how to get the max return on what he brought to the table.

[Zimbra]

Two related questions: Whatever happened to "Dirty" Don Montoya?

And his Cagematch page says he was trained by Mike Modest, which seems both temporally and geographically questionable.  Anybody know if that's really the case?

[sydneybrown]

On 5/19/2020 at 10:57 PM, The Idiot King said:

What would people say are the BEST Konnan matches? Because I understand his popularity in the abstract, but I'd love to be pointed to either a really great match of his or at least a match that shows how over he was at his peak. I more or less only know him from nWo-era WCW onward and I don't remember being exactly blown away by anything of his that didn't involve Disco Inferno dancing in front of it.

Not the answer you are looking for but the most memorable Konnan match in WCW was Rick Steiner vs. Konnan on the second to last Nitro.  Either Konnan was selling well or Rick really was beating the shit out of him.  And Rick MURDERED Lash LeRoux a few weeks prior, so I'm guessing the latter.

[grilledcheese]

11 hours ago, Zimbra said:

Two related questions: Whatever happened to "Dirty" Don Montoya?

And his Cagematch page says he was trained by Mike Modest, which seems both temporally and geographically questionable.  Anybody know if that's really the case?

He may have done some training with Modest at some point, but there is no way that he was his initial trainer. Modest at one point won the PCW Heavyweight Title, but that would have been a few years at least after Don Montoya debuted. That's likely as close as they ever would have been together, as Modest didn't work any of the XPW Philadelphia shows. Modest didn't get out of California much, if at all before the PCW work. 

[elizium]

So here's a random one:

Does anyone have any Don Kernodle recommendations? Watching old Mid-Atlantic and he's become one of my favourites, but I've never seen any matches of his outside of that run from 82 to 86. Does he have any standout 70s stuff?

His career seems pretty weird for a territory wrestler in that he pretty much stayed in Mid-Atlantic the whole time. Other than a year in Georgia, a couple tours of Japan, less than a year in the WWF and spot shows elsewhere, he stayed in the Mid-Atlantic territory for like 13 years of so. That's assuming that cagematch isn't missing anything. Did he have a job outside of wrestling and not want to move around too much? Even with having a territory you'd expect to see the odd couple month run in other areas.

 

E: Just noticed I wrote St. Louis when I meant Georgia

Edited May 30, 2020 by elizium

[odessasteps]

He must have worked for Fuller at some point, because some funny stories have come up involving him on the Studcast. 

[elizium]

9 hours ago, odessasteps said:

He must have worked for Fuller at some point, because some funny stories have come up involving him on the Studcast. 

Is that Southeastern? He's listed as having 3 matches over Sep/Oct 76. I don't know how often they ran, but I'm assuming that's not complete. Especially since there's a gap between late October 76 to the end of February 77.

Sep 24/76 Time limit draw with Dr. D

Oct 8/76 Team with Jerry Stubbs, lost to Dr. D and Bill Ash

Oct 10/76 Lost to Bill Ash

Next listed match is Feb 25/77 in Georgia, where he stays until October

Edited May 30, 2020 by elizium

[odessasteps]

By 76, i think there were a full time territory. I will make an inquiry. 

 

Edited May 30, 2020 by odessasteps

[DreamBroken]

On 5/19/2020 at 10:57 PM, The Idiot King said:

What would people say are the BEST Konnan matches? Because I understand his popularity in the abstract, but I'd love to be pointed to either a really great match of his or at least a match that shows how over he was at his peak. I more or less only know him from nWo-era WCW onward and I don't remember being exactly blown away by anything of his that didn't involve Disco Inferno dancing in front of it.

Not a match, but any excuse to post this

 

[odessasteps]

Not a Carlos fan, but for their importance or notoriety, id watch his match vs Perro Sr and his match vs Jake. 

[Death From Above]

Are there any recommended matches/segments out there of JJ Dillon from his time as a wrestler before he worked as a manager? I'm kinda curious.

[odessasteps]

24 minutes ago, Death From Above said:

Are there any recommended matches/segments out there of JJ Dillon from his time as a wrestler before he worked as a manager? I'm kinda curious.

There’s actually a match from msg from when after he had become a manager, but it’s played straight. 

this is from Toronto in 84 

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by odessasteps

[Liam]

Am I right in thinking the Can-Am Connection was the first attempt by WWF to do the good looking babyface tag team? I can't think of any other examples (though I definitely could be wrong). Having watched some 1987, they were doing women mobbing them and trying to rip off their clothes, something that I don't really remember them doing with any other wrestlers, let alone teams.

[Peck]

24 minutes ago, Liam said:

Am I right in thinking the Can-Am Connection was the first attempt by WWF to do the good looking babyface tag team? I can't think of any other examples (though I definitely could be wrong). Having watched some 1987, they were doing women mobbing them and trying to rip off their clothes, something that I don't really remember them doing with any other wrestlers, let alone teams.

I may throw Windham/Rotunda in there before those two. I specifically remember some Tuesday Night Titans where they brought in a bunch of teenage girls on the set to scream and gawk when those two were being interviewed.

[BloodyChamp]

I haven’t seen any of Konnan’s supposed best matches but I’ve read that he was solid before he got lazy. I could see it honestly as he was solid in WCW on his way up to the US Title. Even carried OMG to a couple good matches. For a guy his size he wasn’t bad. People forget he wasn’t exactly a cruiserweight. 
 

Same goes for Zenk, speaking of the Can Am Connection. He wasn’t a cruiserweight but he could hang in the old lightweight division with all of those guys. 

[Zimbra]

When did competitive intergender  matches start to become a thing?  When I dipped out of watching wrestling in the early aughts I never really saw that outside of, like, Chyna.

[BloodyChamp]

I’m going to guess it was Japan.

ECW had them. There was some comedy relief mixed in but it was at the expense of Jason who was feuding with the women of ECW (lol!) and not the women. And they were still what I’d call competitive. Meanwhile before that there were many instances of violence towards women, women picking fights with men, and just really heavy stuff in general that you’d never seen women do in wrestling that made it “competitive” and would ultimately lead to organized intergender competition.

[Doc Townsend]

41 minutes ago, Zimbra said:

When did competitive intergender  matches start to become a thing?  When I dipped out of watching wrestling in the early aughts I never really saw that outside of, like, Chyna.

Outside of Chyna, the first time i started noticing official competitive matches between men and women wrestlers was the California indies in the mid-2000's.  Joey Ryan worked a fair number of matches against local talent including Candice LeRae.  I don't think the larger (lol) CA promotions like PWG were doing intergender matches yet, but I was attending a lot of tiny indies at the time.

I remember a couple Joey Ryan intergender matches which were really uncomfortable to watch.  A little too "realistic" even compared to what promotions do today.  He basically beat the stuffing out of a few people.  I think there was blood.  Honestly don't remember the promotion, but I'm thinking it was whatever shows Gary Yap was running at the time.  I was following a number of promotions that flew under the radar around that time (smaller, no tv, no nationwide dvd distribution, etc.)

PWG started doing intergender stuff with Joey and Candice Le Rae a short while later.  2010-ish?  They were tag team champions in 2012 so it was before that.  Around the time PWG started, I started seeing intergender matches in East Coast promotions.

I don't really remember sanctioned intergender matches in the 90's.  There was the stuff with Chyna and other promotions started pushing the envelope. but it was generally spots with male wrestlers and sorta-feuds with part-time wrestlers and managers (who presumably weren't as tough or well-trained as a full-timer). 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Doc Townsend

[Zimbra]

Thanks, Doc, that's more  what I was trying to get at.

I'm familiar with the ECW stuff but I wasn't counting it as the point didn't seem to be "these women are the equal of our male competitors" but "this guy isn't really a man"

[AxB]

There was a generation of Indie Women wrestlers who really made their names from having intergender matches, moreso than women's matches, in the early-mid 2000s. LuFisto, Mickie Knuckles, Addy Starr. And some promotions started really making intergender matches a feature, like Hoodslam and Beyond.

[DJ Hero Morganti]

Chikara also had intergender matches in the mid 2000's. Generally played as a straight contest between wrestlers.  Awesome kong vs Eddie Kingston was actually pretty good.